Thread: Amazon's LOTR Series Name - "Rings of Power"
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The Lord Of The Rings: Rings Of Power Already Has 5 Seasons Mapped Out
"We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be."
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Five seasons of Amazon's upcoming The Lord of the Rings TV show, The Rings of Power, are already mapped out by the key creatives. Showrunner JD Payne told Empire Magazine that they already know what the show's final shot will be, even though it's still many years away.
"The rights that Amazon bought were for a 50-hour show. They knew from the beginning that was the size of the canvas--this was a big story with a clear beginning, middle, and end. There are things in the first season that don' t pay off until Season 5," Payne said. "We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be," Payne said.
As TV fans know very well, not every series knows where it's going from the onset (looking at you, Lost!), so it's good to hear that Rings of Power has at least an outline for the whole series. As usual, though, plans can change.
Payne went on to say that while Rings of Power doesn't tell a story that Tolkien himself came up with, he believes it's fitting with Tolkien's thoughts about new stories in the wider Middle-earth universe.
"In his letters [particularly in one to his publisher], Tolkien talked about wanting to leave behind a mythology that 'left scope for other minds and hands, wielding the tools of paint, music and drama.' We're doing what Tolkien wanted," Payne said. "As long as we felt like every invention of ours was true to his essence, we knew we were on the right track."
While some of the storylines and characters in Rings of Power were created for the show, showrunner Patrick McKay said the show keeps with the spirit of what Tolkien may have wanted.
"The pressure would drive us insane if we didn't feel like there was a story here that didn't come from us. It comes from a bigger place," he said. "It came from Tolkien and we're just the stewards of it. We trust those ideas so deeply, because they're not ours. We're custodians, at best."
lock2k
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Good to know this shit is going to end, eventually.The Lord Of The Rings: Rings Of Power Already Has 5 Seasons Mapped Out
"We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be."
Five seasons of Amazon's upcoming The Lord of the Rings TV show, The Rings of Power, are already mapped out by the key creatives. Showrunner JD Payne told Empire Magazine that they already know what the show's final shot will be, even though it's still many years away.
"The rights that Amazon bought were for a 50-hour show. They knew from the beginning that was the size of the canvas--this was a big story with a clear beginning, middle, and end. There are things in the first season that don' t pay off until Season 5," Payne said. "We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be," Payne said.
As TV fans know very well, not every series knows where it's going from the onset (looking at you, Lost!), so it's good to hear that Rings of Power has at least an outline for the whole series. As usual, though, plans can change.
Payne went on to say that while Rings of Power doesn't tell a story that Tolkien himself came up with, he believes it's fitting with Tolkien's thoughts about new stories in the wider Middle-earth universe.
"In his letters [particularly in one to his publisher], Tolkien talked about wanting to leave behind a mythology that 'left scope for other minds and hands, wielding the tools of paint, music and drama.' We're doing what Tolkien wanted," Payne said. "As long as we felt like every invention of ours was true to his essence, we knew we were on the right track."
While some of the storylines and characters in Rings of Power were created for the show, showrunner Patrick McKay said the show keeps with the spirit of what Tolkien may have wanted.
"The pressure would drive us insane if we didn't feel like there was a story here that didn't come from us. It comes from a bigger place," he said. "It came from Tolkien and we're just the stewards of it. We trust those ideas so deeply, because they're not ours. We're custodians, at best."
ps: yeah, right (bolded part) lol
Given the general apathy to what they have shown. I suspect it will end a lot sooner than the Showrunners imagine. Amazon isn't going to sink even more money into a lost cause. Even normies I know are already getting tired of unnecessary wokeness being shoved into everything. I suspect they'll have greenlit a season 2 already to save face, but unless it knocks it out of the park I suspect it will die on the vine. For the amount, they've spent, though could have probably commissioned 5-10 original series.
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Unreal Engine 5 looking good.
Goatmilk
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Every time one of them is killed, they're given a post-mortem doctorate in a STEM field.
GreyHorace
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So apparently this teaser debuted today on Youtube, but Amazon pulled it immediately because the dislikes and negative comments were so overwhelming. Fortunately for us some brave souls have archived it and hosted it for hilarity's sake. Lol
Aside from the fact that Lenny Henry as a Hobbit looks horrendous, this teaser from a visual standpoint looks vastly inferior to anything in the LOTR film trilogy. A trilogy, may I remind all of you, was released TWENTY YEARS AGO! Even stuff from Jackson's overstuffed The Hobbit trilogy looks better.
Way to waste your billions on this Bezos.
Aside from the fact that Lenny Henry as a Hobbit looks horrendous, this teaser from a visual standpoint looks vastly inferior to anything in the LOTR film trilogy. A trilogy, may I remind all of you, was released TWENTY YEARS AGO! Even stuff from Jackson's overstuffed The Hobbit trilogy looks better.
Way to waste your billions on this Bezos.
BaneIsPain
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I thought they want to respect the original characters. Then I saw the casting of Queen Tar-Miriel.
A bit description from the Silmarillion in the chapter: The downfall of Numenor
And last of all the mounting wave, green and cold and plumed with foam, climbing over the land, took to its bosom Tar-Miriel the Queen, fairer than silver or ivory or pearls.
A bit description from the Silmarillion in the chapter: The downfall of Numenor
And last of all the mounting wave, green and cold and plumed with foam, climbing over the land, took to its bosom Tar-Miriel the Queen, fairer than silver or ivory or pearls.
cryptoadam
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why does it look so cheap? I thought they spent billions on this?
GreyHorace
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Because they don't have a creative genius like Peter Jackson and his Weta studio to keep this from looking like shit.
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Get an exclusive look at 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'
Before Amazon Prime Video's ambitious TV series 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' takes over Comic-Con, set sail with EW's exclusive sneak peek.
It feels like a wheel of time with a higher budget is my first impression. I guess Amazon will get their version of GoT but not sure it'll be successful as they want.
I still don't get it what's the obsession with turning women into general/warriors. First, Galadriel (she's supposed to be 3000 years old and married Celeborn, living at Lindon in the 2nd age) and now Tar-Miriel.
GreyHorace
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Some current year need of the Woke Left to show that women can be just as capable as men in combat. Even though it's largely never been true in real life and whenever they try do it onscreen it always comes off as overpowered and cringe.
Besides, you didn't need to turn Galadriel into a warrior to show how powerful she is. She's one of the Noldor and wielders of the Three Elven Rings. Her power is already pretty frightening in itself so it was really a great relief that she resisted the temptation of the One Ring.
Peter Jackson got that aspect of her at least in the movies.
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Even though I'm not really a fan of LOTR (I did watch the movies and all but never really got that much into 'em) anything that disrespects the source material is awful af.
This new teaser has got me a little excited. I was just going to ignore the show but after this I will give it a fair watch. I doubt the story will be anything memorable but there is enough here to peak my interest.
GreyHorace
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I'm not surprised. Shippey is one of the greatest authorities on Tolkien who wrote one of the best analyses of the Professor's work in Tolkien: Author of the Century. The fact that Amazon so readily dismissed him speaks to me that they were really out to pollute the lore with their woke garbage.
When I watch Peter Jackson's films I still see the spirit of Tolkien's words onscreen despite the deviations. NOTHING in the Amazon series trailers gives me that feeling. If that opinion brands me a racist, then fuck these people.
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Saruhashi
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It still feels like such an awful concept.
If we get right down to the truth of it you have writers and producers who are not good enough to create their own original content so they are disguising their ideas behind the name of Tolkien knowing that this is what will attract audiences.
It's completely shameless and the silence from pretty much every media outlet on this shows how they are just there to do marketing on behalf of the company that made the show.
If a prominent Youtuber or streamer was selling fake Nike gear then it would be a news story and there would be criticism. If that person had paid Nike to use the Nike name but was just churning out rubbish product with a Nike label on it then again there would be criticism.
Here it seems to be completely fine to write some shitty fanfiction, pay a load of money to call your fan fiction "Lord of the Rings" and then publish that content as if it's in any way related to the original stuff.
Same with modern Star Wars, really. Is it just not possible to create and produce and original "Space Opera" type series?
If the answer is simply "they use the branding to make more money" then why isn't there a lot more criticism of this kind of behaviour?
If this is shit then it really only serves to diminish the popularity and prestige of the original story as you will have many many millions of people who will associate "Lord of the Rings" with this utter crap.
I've seen the phrase used before that this is basically a form of cultural vandalism.
If we get right down to the truth of it you have writers and producers who are not good enough to create their own original content so they are disguising their ideas behind the name of Tolkien knowing that this is what will attract audiences.
It's completely shameless and the silence from pretty much every media outlet on this shows how they are just there to do marketing on behalf of the company that made the show.
If a prominent Youtuber or streamer was selling fake Nike gear then it would be a news story and there would be criticism. If that person had paid Nike to use the Nike name but was just churning out rubbish product with a Nike label on it then again there would be criticism.
Here it seems to be completely fine to write some shitty fanfiction, pay a load of money to call your fan fiction "Lord of the Rings" and then publish that content as if it's in any way related to the original stuff.
Same with modern Star Wars, really. Is it just not possible to create and produce and original "Space Opera" type series?
If the answer is simply "they use the branding to make more money" then why isn't there a lot more criticism of this kind of behaviour?
If this is shit then it really only serves to diminish the popularity and prestige of the original story as you will have many many millions of people who will associate "Lord of the Rings" with this utter crap.
I've seen the phrase used before that this is basically a form of cultural vandalism.
GreyHorace
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When you come right down to it, it's hilarious that they're including Hobbits in this series.
These events are supposed to be taking place during the Second Age of MIddle Earth. Tolkien makes it a point in the LOTR prologue that Hobbit folk were largely ignorant and uninvolved in the happenings beyond the borders of the Shire. They only enter into the records when Bilbo finds the One Ring and Frodo and Sam destroy it at Mount Doom.
Are Hobbits going to be kicking ass and taking names here? That's a serious deviation from the lore! But then again, lore and continuity don't mean much to these cultural heathens.
These events are supposed to be taking place during the Second Age of MIddle Earth. Tolkien makes it a point in the LOTR prologue that Hobbit folk were largely ignorant and uninvolved in the happenings beyond the borders of the Shire. They only enter into the records when Bilbo finds the One Ring and Frodo and Sam destroy it at Mount Doom.
Are Hobbits going to be kicking ass and taking names here? That's a serious deviation from the lore! But then again, lore and continuity don't mean much to these cultural heathens.
Definitely the work of Russian trolls.
GreyHorace
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those dislikes came from Russians. People seem to forget that Tolkien's work is pretty popular there.
It can't be worse than the Whee of Time.
I volunteer as tribute.
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With "quality" like Witcher, Cowboy Bebop, Wheel of Time, Halo, Resident Evil it seems Rings of Power will be fitting right into this heap of garbage.
Absolute shame, if I had poured billions into getting a LotR TV show I would strive to at least match Jackson if not exceed him, something that would be a modern cornerstone of fantasy for the 2020s like the 2000s had Harry Potter and Jackson's Lord of the Rings, and the 2010s almost had Game of Thrones at amazing movie quality for a time until it imploded in slow motion postseason 4 into Mass Effect 3/Last Jedi level pop cultural self destruction.
Also cements I don't ever want to see the cosmere adapted if this is the shit tier level of writing and respect that can be expected.
Yeah, I passed on that as well. I just can't support this shit anymore tbh.
Gotta thanks @Saruhashi for turning me onto this podcast interview series with some good guests talking about how borked everything is these days to the detriment of reason. Worth a watch listen and sub IMHO
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I called that being garbage as soon as they revealed the race swap. I've been an Anne Rice fan going back to my teenage years.we got another one bois.
Saruhashi
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From this article:
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"Even the nomadic harfoots have their own distinct look. These pint-sized travelers are years away from settling in the Shire and becoming the homebody hobbits we know and love, but Avery wanted them to still feel familiar to anyone who knows Frodo and friends. He notes similarities throughout, like how the harfoots' large, circular wagon wheels echo those iconic round hobbit doors."
We are truly dealing with screenwriting genius here folks. The wheels on the wagons are ROUND! Just like the Hobbit doors you know and love from LOTR!
They were gonna go with the more traditional square or triangular wheel but then they realised "hang on, hobbit doors are circular so let's put circular wheels on the wagons". Fucking brilliant!
Shows how low media is willing to go to try and convince you that this shit is actually good. Bigging up that the wagons have round wheels like its some deep cut of a reference.
What's next "Amazon's Rings of Power is fucking shite, and that's a good thing"?
Clowns.
How 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' crafted a new (old) Middle-earth
'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' production designer Ramsey Avery breaks down the show's elaborate practical sets and how they brought Tolkien's Second Age to life.
"Even the nomadic harfoots have their own distinct look. These pint-sized travelers are years away from settling in the Shire and becoming the homebody hobbits we know and love, but Avery wanted them to still feel familiar to anyone who knows Frodo and friends. He notes similarities throughout, like how the harfoots' large, circular wagon wheels echo those iconic round hobbit doors."
We are truly dealing with screenwriting genius here folks. The wheels on the wagons are ROUND! Just like the Hobbit doors you know and love from LOTR!
They were gonna go with the more traditional square or triangular wheel but then they realised "hang on, hobbit doors are circular so let's put circular wheels on the wagons". Fucking brilliant!
Shows how low media is willing to go to try and convince you that this shit is actually good. Bigging up that the wagons have round wheels like its some deep cut of a reference.
What's next "Amazon's Rings of Power is fucking shite, and that's a good thing"?
Clowns.
BaneIsPain
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Style over substance as usual. Apparently, they retain quite a lot of Silmarillion flashbacks. Morgoth shadow behind the Valinor tree looks cool.
There is a poster of "gandalf" in amazon promotional. Which doesn't make sense since wizards arrived in third age. Oh well
GreyHorace
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Will the real Slim Sauron please stand up?
Amazon couldn't even top Shadow of Mordor's portrayal of Morgoth's top lieutenant. Pathetic.
Amazon couldn't even top Shadow of Mordor's portrayal of Morgoth's top lieutenant. Pathetic.
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As a huge J.R.R. Tolkien/Peter Jackson Lord Of The Rings fan, here's my take on things regarding this "effort":
Pros:
• VFX look incredible - the money spent on this shows
• The Howard Shore & Bear McCreary score will astound
Cons:
• The casting choices
• Everything looks too clean; where is the grit & lived-in look?
• The costumes look extremely low-rent - very cosplay-esque
• Needless "woke" aspects added for...reasons?
• Severe deviation from Tolkien's work/vision - a deal-breaker & highly disrespectful
• Adding & focusing on new characters Vs. the established characters fans are excited to see
• Changing & blatantly deviating from the lore
• Low hopes for narrative quality
This show will be a train wreck from the fan's vantage point. I expect record low Rotten Tomatoes fan reviews.
Pros:
• VFX look incredible - the money spent on this shows
• The Howard Shore & Bear McCreary score will astound
Cons:
• The casting choices
• Everything looks too clean; where is the grit & lived-in look?
• The costumes look extremely low-rent - very cosplay-esque
• Needless "woke" aspects added for...reasons?
• Severe deviation from Tolkien's work/vision - a deal-breaker & highly disrespectful
• Adding & focusing on new characters Vs. the established characters fans are excited to see
• Changing & blatantly deviating from the lore
• Low hopes for narrative quality
This show will be a train wreck from the fan's vantage point. I expect record low Rotten Tomatoes fan reviews.
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GreyHorace
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Not if Rotten Tomatoes blocks the fan reviews, like they did with the last season of Doctor Who after scoring just an 8% audience rating. Wouldn't surprise me if Bezos pays them off to do just that.
Saruhashi
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The sad thing is that the pros could really be achieved by just having a slideshow of great LOTR artworks with some original music in the background.
The rest is pretty much everything they need to make the show work.
Really, it feels like if you have a genuine passion for anything these days there is a modern corporation ready to come along and make a complete mess of it while the mainstream media calls you a bigot for protesting too loudly.
It annoys me that nobody in the media is willing to call this out for what it is. A bunch of creatives who are not actually talented enough to make their own original content being paid by a mega corporation to make an advert for their streaming service so that they can make even more money.
I could maybe be less harsh if they were at least trying to do something a little bit original. Maybe an animated show with a distinctive style or a story that doesn't really include characters from the main threads of lore and isn't really trying to tell a story that affects the lore on a fundamental level.
They are basically just ripping off shots from the LOTR movies, which have their own range of problems in my opinion, and injecting modern progressive bullshit right into the story.
Who cares though if it makes money, right?