The GPU Thread

Thread: The GPU Thread
Hostile_18 said:
To be fair almost worth it just to enjoy it and not worry about chasing gpus anymore.

I payed 2.6k, £500 of which is import duty and delivery as its from Amazon Spain. Had I lived in the EU it would have been a really good price. Warranty still applies though so all is good.
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I believe that availability will get better in the next two weeks, at least to the point of me being able to buy one for around 400€ above MSRP or so. Which would be somewhat ok. Paying 1.2k € more just to have it some weeks earlier is too crazy for me.
 
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TaySan said:
He sold the first one
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Huh, that 5090 Ventus 3x OC on that one site was 3.7k four days ago, dropped to 3.5k yesterday. Today at 3.3k....

A bunch of other 5090 available but at (way) higher prices. Seems like they don't sell because people aren't willing to pay that much.

Slow signs of healing?
 
Btw that 5090 Ventus was sold for 3.3k. seems to be the acceptable market price right now where the cards start to be actually sold.

Quite a few listings, some cards for 9.9k which is dumb.
 
regawdless said:
Btw that 5090 Ventus was sold for 3.3k. seems to be the acceptable market price right now where the cards start to be actually sold.

Quite a few listings, some cards for 9.9k which is dumb.
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I personally don't think the market will recover for quite a while. Look at the AMD gpus. Thousands available and gone in the first hour. The demand is just too high and the supply too small.
 
regawdless said:
It would've been stupid not to sell when some insane people give you that kind of money.
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I completely disagree. And it's funny you said you adviced him to do it, this type of behaviour is exactly why you're sitting there without your own gpu looking at those jacked up prices.

No, I wouldn't have done it myself, and I'm not saying this out of nothing, I had a similar opportunity like this before. No judging anyone or anything, I don't care that much to judge, just saying.

Hostile_18 said:
I'm not paying 5k to game at max settings no matter how rare the gpu is lol.
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I don't see the relevance to what I said.
 
Pyrate said:
I completely disagree. And it's funny you said you adviced him to do it, this type of behaviour is exactly why you're sitting there without your own gpu looking at those jacked up prices.

No, I wouldn't have done it myself, and I'm not saying this out of nothing, I had a similar opportunity like this before. No judging anyone or anything, I don't care that much to judge, just saying.



I don't see the relevance to what I said.
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Keeping it would have meant it was effectively costing me £5000 in opportunity cost, to max settings in games.

Nvidia are the ones to blame tbh, putting normal gamers in that position in the first place.

But yeah it's certainly a moral decision everyone would have to make for themselves. My 5090 is close to free now and my buyer was very happy. Yolo.
 
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Pyrate said:
I completely disagree. And it's funny you said you adviced him to do it, this type of behaviour is exactly why you're sitting there without your own gpu looking at those jacked up prices.

No, I wouldn't have done it myself, and I'm not saying this out of nothing, I had a similar opportunity like this before. No judging anyone or anything, I don't care that much to judge, just saying.
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I have a different view. Main issue and root cause is Nvidia, "launching" a product that's not really available. They create this environment because they push products into the market that aren't ready. The people who are paying these stupid prices are the the second ones to blame, paying 5k for a GPU that costs half of that.

Without these two factors, scalpers wouldn't be a thing.

Nvidia could offer a bunch of MSRP FE cards, that would quickly correct the market prices.
 
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regawdless said:
I have a different view. Main issue and root cause is Nvidia, "launching" a product that's not really available. They create this environment because they push products into the market that aren't ready. The people who are paying these stupid prices are the the second ones to blame, paying 5k for a GPU that costs half of that.

Without these two factors, scalpers wouldn't be a thing.

Nvidia could offer a bunch of MSRP FE cards, that would quickly correct the market prices.
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I also used to think it's mainly on Nvidia, but after observing the situation these last few days, I think it's more accurate to say it's multi factorial. Even amd couldn't escape the wrath of this unprecedented demand, which I still have trouble grasping, like other than the scalpers, did everyone suddenly decide they want to upgrade now? it feels as if the demand went up dramatically compared to the last few years, regardless of the supply problems. What nvidia did is straight up fraudulent of course, but the amd launch also showed that they couldn't combat the issue either, despite their (apparent) best efforts.

So I really think it's more that every part of the supply chain seemingly decided they want to make bigger profits, since, you know, they clearly can with no consequences; so it's nvidia/amd, the AIB vendors, the retailers, @Hostile_18 etc, each of those stack up, and that's how you end up with irresponsible price hikes.
 
Pyrate said:
I also used to think it's mainly on Nvidia, but after observing the situation these last few days, I think it's more accurate to say it's multi factorial. Even amd couldn't escape the wrath of this unprecedented demand, which I still have trouble grasping, like other than the scalpers, did everyone suddenly decide they want to upgrade now? it feels as if the demand went up dramatically compared to the last few years, regardless of the supply problems. What nvidia did is straight up fraudulent of course, but the amd launch also showed that they couldn't combat the issue either, despite their (apparent) best efforts.

So I really think it's more that every part of the supply chain seemingly decided they want to make bigger profits, since, you know, they clearly can with no consequences; so it's nvidia/amd, the AIB vendors, the retailers, @Hostile_18 etc, each of those stack up, and that's how you end up with irresponsible price hikes.
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It's really just supply and demand. Demand is high, PC gaming became very popular. If Nvidia would come out and provide a regular supply of MSRP FE cards, with general steady supply saying "don't worry, cards will come in on a regular basis" before launch, scalpers wouldn't be a thing.
 
PC gaming used to be more of a niche hobby pre-2020 but has exploded in popularity thanks to streaming culture and consumers are the ones that tend to get the scraps during the fabs process for Nvidia and AMD because they can get higher margin sales elsewhere. I really don't see this changing anytime soon unfortunately
 
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I think you have to take into account it's such an extreme situation. I'd agree with @Pyrate if Nvidia was sending retailers more than 5 units of any one sku per retailer for launch or that the profit for end users wasn't thousands of pounds. They actively stopped production of the 40 series months before publically to increase supply, and privately to control and raise prices, making last Gen unavailable.

Nvidia has 90%, of the market, their price and supply tactics have just affected AMD, but AMD were never going to be able to produce as many as Nvidia should be making, or rather are allowing to be sold in the gaming segment.
 
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TaySan said:
PC gaming used to be more of a niche hobby pre-2020 but has exploded in popularity thanks to streaming culture and consumers are the ones that tend to get the scraps during the fabs process for Nvidia and AMD because they can get higher margin sales elsewhere. I really don't see this changing anytime soon unfortunately
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Also, China as a rising PC gaming market. Huge demand there.
 
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TaySan said:
I really don't see this changing anytime soon unfortunately
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It sucks, even though I'm pretty satisfied with what I already have and I bet I'll be fine for many years, and since the overwhelming majority of the new demanding games are hot garbage anyways, it still annoys me that this is what the PC sector is going to be all about soon, it raises the barrier of entry even higher for newcomers, higher than what it already is, and it might even become a niche if these absurd prices continue. All in the name of greed and unrealistic profit prospects, it's a shame.

Hope the used market thrives to bring a balance to the lucrativeness, especially where I live.
 
A lot of 5090 cards on eBay for like 3.2k. But all private sellers, which I won't do. For that price, you'd want official store support if something goes wrong.

My goal is to have a new card on Easter the latest. Wife will be away for two weeks and I'll be here with the kids.... Meaning the nights will be gaming time.
 
Still can't decide said:
Can't speak for others, but I wouldn't be wanting an upgrade right now if it weren't for so many of today's games having terrible inefficiency and didn't run at garbage frame rates with garbage image quality, while somehow chewing up obscene levels of vram.
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And thankfully most of those games absolutely suck, even outside the technical problems, that's what I meant earlier.
 
regawdless said:
A lot of 5090 cards on eBay for like 3.2k. But all private sellers, which I won't do. For that price, you'd want official store support if something goes wrong.

My goal is to have a new card on Easter the latest. Wife will be away for two weeks and I'll be here with the kids.... Meaning the nights will be gaming time.
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That's the same price I paid in pounds for my Trio. Check partner websites. Msi for example you can register warranty with them from serial number. Should be fine (more than likely).

What models? If you ever do make sure its off someone with an established account.
 
Hostile_18 said:
That's the same price I paid in pounds for my Trio. Check partner websites. Msi for example you can register warranty with them from serial number. Should be fine (more than likely).

What models? If you ever do make sure its off someone with an established account.
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Gaming Trio, Ventus. Many of them, 3.1 - 3.3k.

But I won't pay that. Rather wait, get one for 2.6k or something in some weeks and use the funds for a CPU upgrade down the line. Makes more sense.

MSI homepage says product registration extends the warranty for three months, but I think you need the OG purchasing receipt from a store.
 
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Due to how much focus there is in the gaming press, people I think forget just how tiny the market is for the high end GPU's in actuality.

There should not be any issues in meeting the demand for them, because we are taking about a niche of a niche of a niche market, that pales in comparison to the manufacturing demands Nvidia primarily caters to in the wider tech industry.

Sure, they're difficult to make, especially in regards to flagship models like the 5090, but I feel the primary issues facing supply are a deliberate decisions to limit numbers to ensure an excess of demand, both to maintain the 'luxury brand' mindshare and justify future price increases, and simply prioritising other sides of their business, primarily AI and partner components.

Scalpers, bitcoin miners, AI dabblers and PC gamers with more money than sense giving into FOMO and the allure of the new and shiny obviously don't help matters, but the actual market that exists for high end GPU's hasn't grown outrageously since such components used to be able to launch without major issue, while the initial surge of newer markets for bitcoins and AI are either catered to directly now or have contracted significantly since they were initially causing issues.

Meanwhile Nvidia in particular has more money than it knows what to do with and vastly more pull with manufacturing schedules than basically any other player in tech. They absolutely could make more of these things if they wanted to, but it's clearly not deemed to be financially worthwhile to do so.

They know this shit show of unsatisfied demand is going to happen, and they are perfectly fine with that.

AMD meanwhile likely would love to push more production, especially with the 9070 selling so well and being so well received, but they genuinely will only be able to make so much, because of they're going to be a lower priority customer compared to Nvidia and others.
 
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regawdless said:
8GB of RAM is laughable, I don't care about the card. Put in cheaper and slower RAM but make it all least 12GB.
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You're not wrong, but if the 5060 is only going to have 8GB, they're not putting more than that in the 5050, even if it is cheaper RAM.
 
I believe that 5090 prices will somewhat normalize inside of the next 4 weeks. I have tabs open on basically all places that sell those cards, monitoring them closely for new supply.

- a good number of 5090 cards listed by scalpers, between 3.2k - 5k Euro
- only a few of them sold inside of the last week
- eBay is full of cards, not moving at these prices
- seems like the initial demand craze is over
- 5070ti for +250€ and 5080 cards for +350€ over MSRP aren't selling out. Supply came in beginning of the week, you can still buy them. In one store, there's a 5080 for 1.499, stock of 16 came in earlier this week. Now on Sunday, still 5 available.

I think the prices for 5090 cards will stabilize between 2.5k and 3.3k towards end of the month. Still significantly over MSRP, but not insanely so. MSRP here is 2.329€.
 
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