[QuantumZebra]

You sound like you're repeating Plinkett reviews. Prequel dialogue isn't the greatest but it's memorable and got tons of meme love. The most memorable line in sequels is this:

You plucked a random quote from the worst of the 3

^ you just did that.

Also that line is still better than half the dialogue in the PT.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Force awakens was good though. It would've been a good trilogy if it wasn't for the final two cookie cutter films. and no those were pretty high budget films they cost Disney quite a bit of money To make.

I'd definitely hesitate calling TLJ cookie-cutter. It took a LOT of risks and alienated a lot of neckbeards.

RoS was the movie equivalent of "we're sorry neckbeards here's the Luke doing backflips from Star Destroyer to Star Destroyer and blowing up shit with his force dick you all wanted". Just fanservice with no logic.

I think the most telling thing about the sequel trilogy is that when I watched 8 and 9, I did so back to back with no break. But even though I did that, I was SO confused by the opening of 9 that I second guessed myself and went back to the end of 8. I thought I'd missed something, either an important bit of information or a post-credits scene.

Personally, I enjoy the prequels more than the sequels. Don't get me wrong, none of them are masterpieces, but the sequels weren't fun, plots are all over the place, and nothing makes the tiniest bit of sense. Here's an ancient dagger in the shape of a modern shipwreck that guides you if you stand in the exact spot you need to be in. Lucky the girl who has master level powers out of nowhere with no training is around to be that person. At least the prequels have Qui-Gon, Obi Wan, and Mace Windu L Jackson.

I would have rather watched Lucas' original idea of Midichlorian world than the confused sequels we got.

I've seen discussion about the watch order before, with chronological vs release order and suggested mixed orders like 451236. But I think the most interesting one to think about is an order where 1 doesn't exist.

Does 1 really need to exist for the story? Outside of Qui-Gon, what does it bring that 2 doesn't also do?

TPM and RoS are the examples of a terrible start and terrible end to a trilogy. TPM served no purpose and RoS tried to do way too much and fumbled the bag.

Think about it like you said; the ST would've been great if TLJ->RoS wasn't fumbled. The PT ended on a high note, whereas the ST began on a high note.

The sum of their parts is (based on my opinion, reviews, box office, and every other measure I have) easily for the ST. The PT just had fan favorite characters and a better finale on its' side.

 

[QuantumZebra]

11 year old me loved TPM. It was my first Star Wars movie and it felt like nothing I've ever seen before. I liked all the space politics and Jedi lore they introduced. All the Palpatine machinations hits close at home I guess. These movies were well regarded at the time, had a pop culture presence and if you check rotten tomatoes they had decent critical reception back when critics were vicious to these types of movies.

Only after I had the Internet I learned there's a hate movement towards prequels and later they were exacerbated by hack frauds from RLM.

Ironically when Disney stole the franchise they designed TFA to be the anti-prequels. If prequels were too obsessed with establishing things and meander in exposition, TFA producers decided they should have none of that. So in this movie set 30 years chronologically after the last one they established... nothing. Empire still fights rebellion under different names, new Death Star destroys some planets. We get no backstory to any of the characters. Rey is some random NPC on a Tatooine like planet that waits until the script is executed for her to start going through the motions of fighting the new Empire. She has no character arc in the movie, even Jar Jar Binks had one lmao. Idiot Abrams placed some "hints" towards a nature of his characters that was going to replace real character depth. He also gave C3PO red hand because he wanted to be friends with Kojima. How much worse can it get? This is the way they chose to introduce a new trilogy.

To me it was obvious that they can't continue with this and follow ups will not work. The Last Jedi was anti-original trilogy, designed as a fuck you to all Star Wars fans and a vessel for woke ideology. This is where they lost hardcore fans. The final movie was the anti-sequel. They ignored what was in the last two and just made some quick shit to get it over with. This time it was obvious to anyone that Star Wars are dead.

13 year old me walked out of theaters going "what was the fucking point of that" and "I hate jar jar" and "why was the only cool part the ending". I doubt we'll ever agree on PT or ST topics.

The worst part is I read the tie-in novel (I read all the 90s books) and loved it. The movie is nothing like the books. Jar-Jar and other awful movie aspects ruined TPM.

It's true. The PT eats unwashed ass and the ST would've been GOATed if RoS was better.

And I guarantee I'm a bigger SW nerd than anyone here. I even have the entire Power of the Force line of figures from the 90s, my OT on VHS and a 2nd unopened, and all my books. Got a vinyl of ANH soundtrack signed by Carrie, Mayhew, C3P0, and R2D2 sitting above my la-z-boy.

Truth hurts.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Let's goooooooo!!

Nice! You can just go ahead and throw those bottom three in the trash.

 

[HE1NZ]

Two characters just talking about stuff in a calm moment. I don't think there's a single scene like that in Disney Wars. It's all just running from A to B, quips and big speeches.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Naw, zero hyperbole. The Disney Star Wars films are atrocious. The kind you watch and wish you had complained to the manager about like a Karen, asking for your money back. That bad. If you think even one of the Disney sequels > the prequels (TPM, AotC, RotS) then you have the taste of a toddler who thinks Dora the Explorer is entertaining. I have zero desire to even talk about these shitty ass excuses for Star Wars that Disney tainted. At least with the prequels the worlds and enemies and story meshed decently well with the meta from the old Star Wars films. The new ones aren't even worth seeing the first time almost

Yep that's why the ST is reviewed better across the board, all made more money than any PT film, the PTs literally had a documentary made about how shitty they are, and even die-hard SW fans will tell you the Clone Wars show is the best thing to watch if you want to see the prequel era.

I get it if *you* think the PT is great and ST sucked, but trying to sell what you're saying as not hyperbole and as fact is absurd. You're in a major minority.

Nice! You can just go ahead and throw those top three in the trash.

ftfy

Two characters just talking about stuff in a calm moment. I don't think there's a single scene like that in Disney Wars. It's all just running from A to B, quips and big speeches.

Kylo and Rey via the Force vision, Luke discussing why he went into seclusion, Yoda talking to Luke about the texts and passing on knowledge/responsibility, etc.

The only compelling dialogue moment in the entire PT was the Opera scene. Which was fantastic. That's it. Saying "look they had a calm moment to talk" is fine, if the dialogue isn't garbage and cringe-fest stuff. Then right after this they're rolling in grass and giggling. It was awkward and painful then, and it still is on re-watch.

They should call the PT "The Character Assassination of Anakin Skywalker"

 

[HE1NZ]

Kylo and Rey via the Force vision, Luke discussing why he went into seclusion, Yoda talking to Luke about the texts and passing on knowledge/responsibility, etc.

The only compelling dialogue moment in the entire PT was the Opera scene. Which was fantastic. That's it. Saying "look they had a calm moment to talk" is fine, if the dialogue isn't garbage and cringe-fest stuff. Then right after this they're rolling in grass and giggling. It was awkward and painful then, and it still is on re-watch.

They should call the PT "The Character Assassination of Anakin Skywalker"

I don't think they talk about their feeling in those scenes, they are trying to explain the "plot". But I don't remember for sure, you can link those scenes if you want.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I don't think they talk about their feeling in those scenes, they are trying to explain the "plot". But I don't remember for sure, you can link those scenes if you want.

I'm at work but there's plenty to Google:

First Force vision and great scene with Maz:

TLJ dialogue vision (better chemistry and dialogue than anything in the PT):

Natalie Portman phoned in her performance in the PT (and even said as much after the trilogy ended) and her and Hayden had as much chemistry as a wet noodle.

The most emotionally resonant scenes in the PT were Boba and Jango for like 5 minutes, and Obi-Wan and Anakin's interactions.

 

[WesternBlood]

ATTN: D-Pad.life

 

[Vyse]

My top 5 Star Wars movies:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Solo
5. Rogue One

Don't care about the prequels or sequel trilogy. Anakin's origin and fall from grace is better left to the viewer's imagination. The sequel trilogy should have really been a brand new trilogy, something like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics of the same name.

 

[WesternBlood]

My top 5 Star Wars movies:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Solo
5. Rogue One

Don't care about the prequels or sequel trilogy. Anakin's origin and fall from grace is better left to the viewer's imagination. The sequel trilogy should have really been a brand new trilogy, something like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics of the same name.

What you said but my ranking is as follows:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. Solo

 

[HE1NZ]

I'm at work but there's plenty to Google:

First Force vision and great scene with Maz:

TLJ dialogue vision (better chemistry and dialogue than anything in the PT):

Natalie Portman phoned in her performance in the PT (and even said as much after the trilogy ended) and her and Hayden had as much chemistry as a wet noodle.

The most emotionally resonant scenes in the PT were Boba and Jango for like 5 minutes, and Obi-Wan and Anakin's interactions.

Neither of those two scenes are what I described, especially the first one which is just explaining the plot and making a speech. Second scene isn't calm and has no dialogue, it's a le symbolic scene explaining the plot some more. A scene similar to "I hate sand" would be if say Finn and Poo discussed their experience serving empire or if Rey and whomever did some side activity together to kill time. But that would involve creativity and it's not Disney forte.

 

[teezzy]

Has anyone ever read the original sequel trilogy? Released as novels initially

 

[QuantumZebra]

Has anyone ever read the original sequel trilogy? Released as novels initially

I read TFA and it was fantastic.

TBH all the movie novels far surpass the films (if there was one made for it).

If I had to recommend someone experience Star Wars as it was intended and is best presented in all forms of media, I'd go:

1. Game - KOTOR1
2. Novel - Bane Trilogy
3. Novel - Darth Plagueis
4. Novel - The Phantom Menace
5. Show - Clone Wars
6. Movie - Revenge of the Sith
7. Show - Obi-Wan
8. Novel - Thrawn Trilogy
9. Movie - Solo
10. Show - Star Wars Rebels and Bad Batch (tied in together)
11. Show - Andor
12. Film - Rogue One
13. Film - OT
14. Show - Mandalorian / Book of Fett
15. Film - ST
16. Lego Christmas Special (for real its funny and a cute Christmas episode, also follows-up on the end of ST and confirms Finn is a Jedi in training finally)

--

Anything I missed I likely omitted on purpose (First two prequel films, some of the new novels and random media, unnecessary imo).

 

[QuantumZebra]

Neither of those two scenes are what I described, especially the first one which is just explaining the plot and making a speech. Second scene isn't calm and has no dialogue, it's a le symbolic scene explaining the plot some more. A scene similar to "I hate sand" would be if say Finn and Poo discussed their experience serving empire or if Rey and whomever did some side activity together to kill time. But that would involve creativity and it's not Disney forte.

What you're describing in practice is empty dialogue that goes nowhere, is boring to most viewers, and is awfully presented.

I get your drift that it makes things feel more "real" and slows down the pace, and that works in most films. However George is a shit director and the actors delivery is awful across the board. What worked so well in the OT because of the charisma and chemistry of the cast, and having a real director like Kasdan in the mix, did not work in the PT, for the reasons listened.

So in saying that, the perfect balance is the OT, whereas the ST has less dialogue but far more emotional moments than the PT (Luke's passing in front of the twin suns, pretty much every time Rey and Kylo were on-screen together, Yoda talking to Luke, Leia and Rey comforting each other, etc.) - and that's because the ST had far superior direction, acting, and writing (a few lines mainly in RoS aside).

 

[teezzy]

@QuantumZebra

I think what I was referring to was The Thrawn Trilogy

I thought it was initially a continuation after RotJ

Maybe I'm mistaken

 

[QuantumZebra]

My top 5 Star Wars movies:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Solo
5. Rogue One

Don't care about the prequels or sequel trilogy. Anakin's origin and fall from grace is better left to the viewer's imagination. The sequel trilogy should have really been a brand new trilogy, something like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics of the same name.

What you said but my ranking is as follows:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. Solo

I totally get y'all.. also glad to see Rogue One and Solo getting love.

I'll gladly die on the hill that the ST could have lived up to the OT easily if it just stuck with TFA's course. Rian Johnson simply went overboard throwing out the baby with the bathwater in TLJ - and while it was a great movie - it just did too much. It was like Game of Thrones on steroids... just fucking things up just because.

Rian kind of boxed any director of the final episode into a corner with his decisions... they really should've let him finish it. Or had a totally different director (Villenueve would've been nuts) come in and send it off with a bang. JJ isn't a good enough creative director to tie up what Rian did.

 

[QuantumZebra]

@QuantumZebra

I think what I was referring to was The Thrawn Trilogy

I thought it was initially a continuation after RotJ

Maybe I'm mistaken

Lol yeah it's confusing. The Legends (pre-Disney) Thrawn trilogy is post ROTJ. Fantastic novels.

The current one is pre-ANH, and also fantastic.

I didn't include any Legends stuff in my list since it's non-canon. I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way to work the post ROTJ Thrawn trilogy in, though. I'd love it.

 

[Franky Family]

Yep that's why the ST is reviewed better across the board, all made more money than any PT film, the PTs literally had a documentary made about how shitty they are, and even die-hard SW fans will tell you the Clone Wars show is the best thing to watch if you want to see the prequel era.

I get it if *you* think the PT is great and ST sucked, but trying to sell what you're saying as not hyperbole and as fact is absurd. You're in a major minority.

More accurately said, I'm in the majority here. We poll whether the Disney Star War movies are good or bad and you and I will see for ourselves that the Disney sequel movies are thought to be highly underwhelming, and awful

And who cares about box office in these days lol. MCU woke cringe movies run the show now. Is it any surprise as to why the Disney movies are making more money with the kind of soys that exist now? I already told you, they've fucking sold out — any true artistry and originality within the latest films have been sucked dry, almost entirely depleted. You can call my takes hyperbole all you'd like; your opinion just lines up with a bunch of mindless drones who don't know a good movie from a hippo's ass. I mean, I'm one of the biggest Paper Mario enthusiasts around but will you find me fanboying over the last one instead of calling it out for its flaws? Nope, I'll tell you exactly what it's missing and what went wrong in that last game. I'd do the same for the Disney Star Wars if they were even the least bit entertaining and worthwhile. But guess what, that wont be happening, because they aren't good movies lmao

Prequels > Sequels and your documentary is foolishness. Anyone could have told you the actors in those movies dropped the ball plenty of times. But the actors in the latest SW movies are rejects that you will never see casted again in a major picture; the lot of them. Only Disney is retarded enough to hand such untalented and ugly blemishes a role in this legendary franchise. Only that dude who sort of resembles Wedge Antilles that one fighter pilot in the new ones should have been allowed to act on screen for these Star Wars movies, the rest were diversity hires to appeal to the woke crowd, purely. Look at the black dude, the asian chick Rose, what the fuck did they do that wasn't cringe? Tell me that, because just seeing their sheer averageness taint the experience despite having the best makeup artists and costume designers in the world taint the big screen was enough cringe for me. Honestly, you're a woke delusional fanboy if you find yourself being enamored with TFA, TLJ, TRoS. There is very, very, very little to be excited about when viewing those three. They're awful movies and there's no way around it, even as a fan

 

[HE1NZ]

What you're describing in practice is empty dialogue that goes nowhere, is boring to most viewers, and is awfully presented.

I get your drift that it makes things feel more "real" and slows down the pace, and that works in most films. However George is a shit director and the actors delivery is awful across the board. What worked so well in the OT because of the charisma and chemistry of the cast, and having a real director like Kasdan in the mix, did not work in the PT, for the reasons listened.

It's not empty, it's there to shape characters and develop relationships. Good movies are full of that sort of dialogue. It's difficult to write well but in sequels they didn't even try. Instead characters just trade quips and explain the plot. Unfortunately there's no plot either, like I said nothing is established, no setup and nothing to pay off, so mostly they just throw dust in audience eyes with various forms of revelations like "it is your destiny" and move on to the next action scene. Three films later I still didn't know who the fuck Rey was and what she wanted. She never earned her powers. What were her relationship to Finn or Poo or Kylo Ren? I've no idea what these characters were to each other. They are bunch of kids stuck in a same room in kindergarden.

Prequels don't have that issue, characters are defined fairly well though they don't evolve very naturally. It's a big problem in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin transition to the dark side doesn't really make sense. Dialogue is hamfisted but you get its meaning and can enjoy the show. Prequels are real epic movies, where multiple plotlines cross each other, everyone's private affairs get swept away by larger events, lots of characters, lots of action. There aren't any memorable action scenes in the sequels by the way, there's a TON in the prequels.

 

[QuantumZebra]

More accurately said, I'm in the majority here. We poll whether the Disney Star War movies are good or bad and you and I will see for ourselves that the Disney sequel movies are thought to be highly underwhelming, and awful

And who cares about box office in these days lol. MCU woke cringe movies run the show now. Is it any surprise as to why the Disney movies are making more money with the kind of soys that exist now? I already told you, they've fucking sold out — any true artistry and originality within the latest films have been sucked dry, almost entirely depleted. You can call my takes hyperbole all you'd like; your opinion just lines up with a bunch of mindless drones who don't know a good movie from a hippo's ass. I mean, I'm one of the biggest Paper Mario enthusiasts around but will you find me fanboying over the last one instead of calling it out for its flaws? Nope, I'll tell you exactly what it's missing and what went wrong in that last game. I'd do the same for the Disney Star Wars if they were even the least bit entertaining and worthwhile. But guess what, that wont be happening, because they aren't good movies lmao

Prequels > Sequels and your documentary is foolishness. Anyone could have told you the actors in those movies dropped the ball plenty of times. But the actors in the latest SW movies are rejects that you will never see casted again in a major picture; the lot of them. Only Disney is retarded enough to hand such untalented and ugly blemishes a role in this legendary franchise. Only that dude who sort of resembles Wedge Antilles that one fighter pilot in the new ones should have been allowed to act on screen for these Star Wars movies, the rest were diversity hires to appeal to the woke crowd, purely. Look at the black dude, the asian chick Rose, what the fuck did they do that wasn't cringe? Tell me that, because just seeing their sheer averageness taint the experience despite having the best makeup artists and costume designers in the world taint the big screen was enough cringe for me. Honestly, you're a woke delusional fanboy if you find yourself being enamored with TFA, TLJ, TRoS. There is very, very, very little to be excited about when viewing those three. They're awful movies and there's no way around it, even as a fan

Being in the "majority here" is like being the tallest kid on the short bus, dude. Your arguments literally boil down to "omg woke cringefest".

The PT was universally shit on and no amount of egregiously long posts is gonna change history. 13yo me knew TPM sucked and so did the majority of people at the time. This is WAY before "woke" politics so you can't blame those either.

You can't blame anyone but Lucas and the people who greenlit the prequels. They sucked, man. RotS is the best one and its serviceable at best.

 

[QuantumZebra]

It's not empty, it's there to shape characters and develop relationships. Good movies are full of that sort of dialogue. It's difficult to write well but in sequels they didn't even try. Instead characters just trade quips and explain the plot. Unfortunately there's no plot either, like I said nothing is established, no setup and nothing to pay off, so mostly they just throw dust in audience eyes with various forms of revelations like "it is your destiny" and move on to the next action scene. Three films later I still didn't know who the fuck Rey was and what she wanted. She never earned her powers. What were her relationship to Finn or Poo or Kylo Ren? I've no idea what these characters were to each other. They are bunch of kids stuck in a same room in kindergarden.

Prequels don't have that issue, characters are defined fairly well though they don't evolve very naturally. It's a big problem in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin transition to the dark side doesn't really make sense. Dialogue is hamfisted but you get its meaning and can enjoy the show. Prequels are real epic movies, where multiple plotlines cross each other, everyone's private affairs get swept away by larger events, lots of characters, lots of action. There aren't any memorable action scenes in the sequels by the way, there's a TON in the prequels.

I can't handle you and Franky writing essays on these movies at once. Jesus, man.

So much hyperbole and opinion being presented as fact its mind-numbing.

No memorable action scenes in the sequels? Lmao. The literal intro chase scene to TFA, the battle at the rebel base, the entire finale, all awesome. The throne room scene in TLJ is easily up there with the one in RotJ in terms of spectacle. Better than any of the CGI shitfest in the prequels. As I said earlier the only moments worth a shit in the entire PT in terms of fighting or action are the end of TPM and the final fight between Obi and Anakin.

 

[Zefah]

The Disney trilogy made the prequels look good in retrospect. They're not very good for the most part, but I certainly feel a lot better about them than I did when they first came out.

Honestly, I just don't much care about Star Wars at all anymore. Sucks, because it was one of my favorite things as a kid.

 

[WesternBlood]

The Disney trilogy made the prequels look good in retrospect. They're not very good for the most part, but I certainly feel a lot better about them than I did when they first came out.

Honestly, I just don't much care about Star Wars at all anymore. Sucks, because it was one of my favorite things as a kid.

Agreed with this as well.

The Clone Wars Animation has some real gems and deep lore exploration that makes sense of the prequels, far better than the prequels do. The Rebels Animation also has some episodes that are winners, but do go off the rails when they take the whole force mythology in a ridiculous dimension that never needed any explanation outside of how it was explained in A New Hope. Never mind Midichlorians bullshit Lucas shoehorend into the prequels.

 

[QuantumZebra]

The Disney trilogy made the prequels look good in retrospect. They're not very good for the most part, but I certainly feel a lot better about them than I did when they first came out.

Honestly, I just don't much care about Star Wars at all anymore. Sucks, because it was one of my favorite things as a kid.

You should dive into the new stuff. It's great. Bad Batch and Rebels are worthy follow-ups to Clone Wars (better prequel than the PT), Andor/Mandalorian are fantastic. Obi-Wan as a show is a better finale to the prequel era than RotS.

Agreed with this as well.

The Clone Wars Animation has some real gems and deep lore exploration that makes sense of the prequels, far better than the prequels do. The Rebels Animation also has some episodes that are winners, but do go off the rails when they take the whole force mythology in a ridiculous dimension that never needed any explanation outside of how it was explained in A New Hope. Never mind Midichlorians bullshit Lucas shoehorend into the prequels.

That's why I recommend people skip the PT entirely and just watch Clone Wars, if they really want to dive into the story. At best I could recommend RotS just to see the finale.

I 100% prefer the mystical religion side of the Force than the midichlorian explanation.

If people want to debate religion IRL... fine... but I don't need a logical explanation for superpowers when people are flying around in ships the size of cities and wielding laser swords.

 

[HE1NZ]

I can't handle you and Franky writing essays on these movies at once. Jesus, man.

So much hyperbole and opinion being presented as fact its mind-numbing.

No memorable action scenes in the sequels? Lmao. The literal intro chase scene to TFA, the battle at the rebel base, the entire finale, all awesome. The throne room scene in TLJ is easily up there with the one in RotJ in terms of spectacle. Better than any of the CGI shitfest in the prequels.

Prequels had less CGI as far as I know. They built beautiful sets and filmed a lot in southern Europe. Beautiful movies. Abrams tried to fool everyone that he's going to use less CGI like he's Nolan or some shit. Lmao it's Star Wars. Also his film stock sucks, these movies look grainy and colors are wack. Should have just filmed on digital. Lucas would film original trilogy on digital too if he had the opportunity. They did special effects on 70mm VistaVision because he didn't want them to look grainy.

Honestly all fight scenes from the sequels that I remember seem similar to any Marvel action scene. Lots of chaos and confusion and people shooting at each other for a long time. It's all predictable and boring. Qui Gon's death in Episode I was shocking and the whole scene is a masterpiece of fight choreography. Every prequel introduces some amazing ship designs, fresh looking planets, creative action set pieces. They truly went for a "more civilized age" aesthetic.

There was one cool action scene in Rogue One that everyone talks about. It's sort of not bad, best scene in any Disney movie, though you have to sit through the previous 2,5 hours of incredible bore and witness horific Pixar version of Leia afterwards.

 

[Franky Family]

I can't handle you and Franky writing essays on these movies at once. Jesus, man.

You can't even differentiate opinion from fact. I'm not surprised you can't handle a simple retort. And you wanted to speak of the short bus?

We may be beating down on your beloved Disney sequels but it was never a fact despite anything said in our arguments, even if we said it was fact lol. That's how badly we dislike the sequels. And rightfully so, they're terrible. Most are probably turning their heads in wonder trying to figure out how you can be so delusional in praising them? Whichever movie it was with the purple haired woman, that was literally the most cringe script ever written in Star Wars history and you're either a fucking retard, a soy connoisseur or immune to soul-damaging cringe if you can turn the other cheek on that. At least give me some hope and agree with me there… I mean fuck bro I was watching and the script and lines being said during 'emotional' parts was so fucking weak and cringe that I probably would have wished for a sudden home invasion to deal with in that moment if I knew it would prevent me from remembering what happened and what was said by those characters. Like truly, it was that fucking bad and I wish I had never even witnessed it almost

 

[QuantumZebra]

Prequels had less CGI as far as I know. They built beautiful sets and filmed a lot in southern Europe. Beautiful movies. Abrams tried to fool everyone that he's going to use less CGI like he's Nolan or some shit. Lmao it's Star Wars. Also his film stock sucks, these movies look grainy and colors are wack. Should have just filmed on digital. Lucas would film original trilogy on digital too if he had the opportunity. They did special effects on 70mm VistaVision because he didn't want them to look grainy.

Honestly all fight scenes from the sequels that I remember seem similar to any Marvel action scene. Lots of chaos and confusion and people shooting at each other for a long time. It's all predictable and boring. Qui Gon's death in Episode I was shocking and the whole scene is a masterpiece of fight choreography. Every prequel introduces some amazing ship designs, fresh looking planets, creative action set pieces. They truly went for a "more civilized age" aesthetic.

There was one cool action scene in Rogue One that everyone talks about. It's sort of not bad, best scene in any Disney movie, though you have to sit through the previous 2,5 hours of incredible bore and witness horific Pixar version of Leia afterwards.

The Prequels had some of the worst CGI I've ever seen. Just a bit above Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. Come on, man.

I understand y'all want to wax romantic about the PT and shit on the Disney stuff because its new and scary and woke.

The sad reality is beyond issues with TLJ->RoS... Disney is the best thing to happen to Star Wars. No more whacky legends shit, no George Lucas doing Lucas things with no checks and balances, and tons of money to produce content.

As a lifelong SW fan who again, saw the OT re-release in theaters and was probably the most excited kid on earth to see TPM after reading the novel (and then had my hopes and dreams destroyed), the PT sucked fucking ass. Clone Wars and the spin-off material is the only good thing about the PT existing.

 

[QuantumZebra]

You can't even differentiate opinion from fact. I'm not surprised you can't handle a simple retort. And you wanted to speak of the short bus?

We may be beating down on your beloved Disney sequels but it was never a fact despite anything said in our arguments, even if we said it was fact lol. That's how badly we dislike the sequels. And rightfully so, they're terrible. Most are probably turning their heads in wonder trying to figure out how you can be so delusional in praising them? Whichever movie it was with the purple haired woman, that was literally the most cringe script ever written in Star Wars history and you're either a fucking retard, a soy connoisseur or immune to soul-damaging cringe if you can turn the other cheek on that. At least give me some hope and agree with me there… I mean fuck bro I was watching and the script and lines being said during 'emotional' parts was so fucking weak and cringe that I probably would have wished for a sudden home invasion to deal with in that moment if I knew it would prevent me from remembering what happened and what was said by those characters. Like truly, it was that fucking bad and I wish I had never even witnessed it almost

That's great that you feel so strongly that a shit trilogy is better than a good-to-great one held back by a fumbled third film.

Reality doesn't agree with your feelings:

And AOTC was even worse than TPM.

No matter how you try to spin it, the PT is worse than the ST according to the majority of viewers (including rabid fans like myself).

If you want to see how bad the prequels are, read the books. They're great. Unlike the shit films.

 

[teezzy]

People shit on Star Wars so hard yet praise far lesser movies

I don't get it.

 

[Franky Family]

That's great that you feel so strongly that a shit trilogy is better than a good-to-great one held back by a fumbled third film.

Reality doesn't agree with your feelings:

And AOTC was even worse than TPM.

No matter how you try to spin it, the PT is worse than the ST according to the majority of viewers (including rabid fans like myself).

If you want to see how bad the prequels are, read the books. They're great. Unlike the shit films.

You're going off of Rotten Tomatoes… during the times of the woke retard era… to defend your stance on this matter…

 

[QuantumZebra]

You're going off of Rotten Tomatoes… during the times of the woke retard era… to defend your stance on this matter…

Lmao I knew you'd fall back on that. If I had a dollar for every time you've used the word "woke" in this thread I'd be able to buy a whopper combo at least.

Newsflash broseidon: Rotten Tomatoes aggregated reviews and audience score from TPM was nowhere fucking close to the current "woke retard era" and for that matter, neither was TFA.

Newsflash 2: both the critic and ***audience*** scores of the ST far outclass the PT - the PT has an average audience score of 59, the ST has an average of 71. The ST absolutely clowns the PT in critic reviews even if you want to dismiss all critics as "woke".

• PT: 59% audience score / 65% critic score
• ST: 71% audience score / 78% critic score

Lifelong SW fan who 100% has consumed more SW media both pre and post Disney than any human being should: the ST is far better than the PT, the PT is ass, and got outdone by a CGI TV show.

Now if *you* think the ST sucks and the PT is the greatest trilogy on Earth... congrats! I'm happy for you. But your opinion and some folks on this board does not = the actual majority of viewers nor critics (the most objective measure of art we have).

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Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

 

[Franky Family]

People shit on Star Wars so hard yet praise far lesser movies

I don't get it.

The latest films deserve it. How do you go from this rich point of IV, V, VI to the serviceable I, II, III and then plummet to amateur hour with these Disney sequels. What excuses are you ready and willing to make for their mediocrity? Even calling the sequels 'mediocre' is highly generous. They are of extremely poor form, and unimaginative in comparison to their predecessors. With all this technology, the resources available, the craft of filmmaking taking steps ahead of where it was in 2001 when the prequels came out? How do you fail with all these advantages? And how do you fail so miserably?

I'm not even a big fan of Star Wars. I'm just a spectator, but it's clear as day that the latest films are complete shit

 

[QuantumZebra]

People shit on Star Wars so hard yet praise far lesser movies

I don't get it.

It's cool to hate on the popular thing. If you want to get lost in an epic universe with countless cool / bad ass / funny / inspiring characters and stories... I don't think there's anything better.

It's not as polished and easy watching as Marvel movies, but its far deeper.

 

[QuantumZebra]

The latest films deserve it. How do you go from this rich point of IV, V, VI to the serviceable I, II, III and then plummet to amateur hour with these Disney sequels. What excuses are you ready and willing to make for their mediocrity? Even calling the sequels 'mediocre' is highly generous. They are of extremely poor form, and unimaginative in comparison to their predecessors. With all this technology, the resources available, the craft of filmmaking taking steps ahead of where it was in 2001 when the prequels came out? How do you fail with all these advantages? And how do you fail so miserably?

I'm not even a big fan of Star Wars. I'm just a spectator, but it's clear as day that the latest films are complete shit

Just gonna keep replying with this:

• PT: 59% audience score / 65% critic score
• ST: 71% audience score / 78% critic score

It's fine that *you* think that the ST is complete shit, but your opinion does not jive with the majority.

And even if you claim your opinion matters more because you're a fan and know the world better... you clearly know less of Star Wars than I, and I think the opposite - the PT is shit and is outdone by its own novels and spinoffs. The ST is the only interpretation of those events we have thus far, and fell short of being great simply because they fumbled the 3rd film's transition from the 2nd.

 

[Franky Family]

Lmao I knew you'd fall back on that. If I had a dollar for every time you've used the word "woke" in this thread I'd be able to buy a whopper combo at least.

Newsflash broseidon: Rotten Tomatoes aggregated reviews and audience score from TPM was nowhere fucking close to the current "woke retard era" and for that matter, neither was TFA.

Newsflash 2: both the critic and ***audience*** scores of the ST far outclass the PT - the PT has an average audience score of 59, the ST has an average of 71. The ST absolutely clowns the PT in critic reviews even if you want to dismiss all critics as "woke".

• PT: 59% audience score / 65% critic score
• ST: 71% audience score / 78% critic score

Lifelong SW fan who 100% has consumed more SW media both pre and post Disney than any human being should: the ST is far better than the PT, the PT is ass, and got outdone by a CGI TV show.

Now if *you* think the ST sucks and the PT is the greatest trilogy on Earth... congrats! I'm happy for you. But your opinion and some folks on this board does not = the actual majority of viewers nor critics (the most objective measure of art we have).

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Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Dude you're wasting time with these arguments. I already told you Rotten Tomatoes is kind of a joke these days. You literally might as well be citing ResetEra if they were to have their own sister-site movie rating / critic website. If a movie fits the woke agenda, it's going to rate very highly on Rotten Tomatoes. You hate hearing the word 'woke' but that's only because you're supporting them and I'm calling you out on it. To say that the new Star Wars films are not woke friendly if not intended for the woke crowd, is misinformed

Me personally? I remember when movies used to be about reaching a certain quality. It's only recently that patrons such as yourself started welcoming and even accepting and strongly supporting these failing agendas into their preferred choices of entertainment

Also, are we just gonna forget about the scene where they showed a space llama with a massive titty breastfeeding for like three seconds? Can't forget about your fellow Bronies in the woke side of things can we now? Eat a fat dick bro, I will never praise the woke or accept their ways

 

[HE1NZ]

The Prequels had some of the worst CGI I've ever seen. Just a bit above Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. Come on, man.

I understand y'all want to wax romantic about the PT and shit on the Disney stuff because its new and scary and woke.

The sad reality is beyond issues with TLJ->RoS... Disney is the best thing to happen to Star Wars. No more whacky legends shit, no George Lucas doing Lucas things with no checks and balances, and tons of money to produce content.

As a lifelong SW fan who again, saw the OT re-release in theaters and was probably the most excited kid on earth to see TPM after reading the novel (and then had my hopes and dreams destroyed), the PT sucked fucking ass. Clone Wars and the spin-off material is the only good thing about the PT existing.

It's unfortunate what they did to Phantom Menace Blu-ray. DNRed it to death. Movie isn't supposed to look like that. Like Arnold isn't supposed to look like he does here on the left:

With Disney in charge we'll probably never going to see these movies look properly and OT will always be ruined by Lucas final round of tinkering. When he added NOOO to ending of Episode 6 I never wanted to rewatch them again. Turns out the worst was yet to come though.

You can enjoy Disney Wars all you want. But it's kinda curious how you bought into Disney erasing canon just like that and call classic stuff "wacky legends". It's like you were never a Star Wars fan to begin with. Disney might own the rights but everything they do is non canon as far as I'm concerned. They could have built on top of what was written previously, make movies out of novels. They never had an original idea of their own anyway and rely solely on nostalgia baiting. Imagine being this malicious to just write off so much great work. They think they are the new pope. Fuck them.

 

[Snes nes]

The Prequels had some of the worst CGI I've ever seen. Just a bit above Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. Come on, man.

thats not exactly true do you remember the cgi in a lot of old movies were terrible like terminator 2 but it was passable because that's all they could do at the time?

 

[QuantumZebra]

Dude you're wasting time with these arguments. I already told you Rotten Tomatoes is kind of a joke these days. You literally might as well be citing ResetEra if they were to have their own sister-site movie rating / critic website. If a movie fits the woke agenda, it's going to rate very highly on Rotten Tomatoes. You hate hearing the word 'woke' but that's only because you're supporting them and I'm calling you out on it. To say that the new Star Wars films are not woke friendly if not intended for the woke crowd, is misinformed

Me personally? I remember when movies used to be about reaching a certain quality. It's only recently that patrons such as yourself started welcoming and even accepting and strongly supporting these failing agendas into their preferred choices of entertainment

Also, are we just gonna forget about the scene where they showed a space llama with a massive titty breastfeeding for like three seconds? Can't forget about your fellow Bronies in the woke side of things can we now? Eat a fat dick bro, I will never praise the woke or accept their ways

For the 100th time, there was no fucking "woke agenda" when the PT came out. The movies just weren't good. They got bad reviews. Get over it. The ST is across the board better in audience, critic, and box office measures. You can bitch about Rotten Tomatoes all you want, the ST is still higher ranked on every other site, too.

I get enjoying the PT more cause of nostalgia or whatever... but your reasons aren't even Star Wars related, you're just unhinged. You seriously need help.

 

[QuantumZebra]

thats not exactly true do you remember the cgi in a lot of old movies were terrible like terminator 2 but it was passable because that's all they could do at the time?

The Matrix and TPM came out in the same year. Star Wars was a media giant and The Matrix was a random movie that came out of nowhere. Matrix used practical effects to better extents and had better CGI.

TPM looked just ass:

They should have stuck to practical effects. Instead, bad CGI fest.