[QuantumZebra]

It's unfortunate what they did to Phantom Menace Blu-ray. DNRed it to death. Movie isn't supposed to look like that. Like Arnold isn't supposed to look like he does here on the left:

With Disney in charge we'll probably never going to see these movies look properly and OT will always be ruined by Lucas final round of tinkering. When he added NOOO to ending of Episode 6 I never wanted to rewatch them again. Turns out the worst was yet to come though.

You can enjoy Disney Wars all you want. But it's kinda curious how you bought into Disney erasing canon just like that and call classic stuff "wacky legends". It's like you were never a Star Wars fan to begin with. Disney might own the rights but everything they do is non canon as far as I'm concerned. They could have built on top of what was written previously, make movies out of novels. They never had an original idea of their own anyway and rely solely on nostalgia baiting. Imagine being this malicious to just write off so much great work. They think they are the new pope. Fuck them.

Lmao... come on, man. I thought you were better than that. @Franky Family is off his rocker telling me to eat dicks... now you're implying my childhood that revolved around Star Wars down to even reading the Young Jedi novels (which were fantastic btw) and playing every game is not real? Holy shit, lol. Yep, I was under a trance that made me consume everything SW until TPM came out and was fucking terrible and I lost interest in the films.

It's definitely not cause I was so let down by the film that didn't compare at all to the novel... it's cause I was never *Truly* a fan to begin with... amazing. You're practically Sherlock Holmes!

Y'all need a therapist. The PT films fucking sucked. Get over it.


And side note, yes Disney had to jettison the "Legends" / pre-Disney era because it had whacky shit in it. They already are re-integrating Legends era stuff like the amazing Bane trilogy, Thrawn, Plagueis, etc. into canon.

 

[HE1NZ]

The Matrix and TPM came out in the same year. Star Wars was a media giant and The Matrix was a random movie that came out of nowhere. Matrix used practical effects to better extents and had better CGI.

TPM looked just ass:

They should have stuck to practical effects. Instead, bad CGI fest.

How do you make that scene with practical effects? It looks good by the way. More cherry picking off blurred Blu-ray. Naboo was made with miniatures and looks amazing.

 

[Mickmrly]

Does 1 really need to exist for the story? Outside of Qui-Gon, what does it bring that 2 doesn't also do?

I think that 1 set up the Obiwan and Anakin/Skywalker arcs relatively well, as well as contrast the fresh democratic bright Republic world with the OT worn down Imperial Empire. 1 also establishes Anakin's talents and shows the weaknesses of the Republic and lays the foundation for the future Emperor taking over.
I think with 2 that it really could have used a bit more story as it established the clone army, had some running around and then the clone wars began with Anakin having his one hand at the end. I get that they were trying to get an aka in and Padme closer together, but I think they should have done some quests of sorts rather than run around in a droid factory and wait around in a colosseum. Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith are good movies in their own right, but Attack of the Clones does have some pacing issues I think.

 

[QuantumZebra]

How do you make that scene with practical effects? It looks good by the way. More cherry picking off blurred Blu-ray. Naboo was made with miniatures and looks amazing.

For every decent shot done with practical effects there is some shiny shitty shot in the films. In the cherry picked video you just posted it all looks like shiny ass outside of the Naboo scenery and architecture.

Not one moment of the entire PT feels "lived in" and real like in the OT. The ST *also* failed to evoke the "lived in" feel of the OT... but the ST didn't suck fucking ass like the PT so it gets a pass there.

We're literally debating whether or not the CGI was good when my entire point here is that the people who think the PT is better than the ST are wearing rose-colored nostalgia glasses. By every measure the ST is superior (box office, critics, audience), and as a huge fan myself, I agree.

The fact that folks like Franky are going apeshit rambling about woke agendas and telling people to eat dicks simply proves my point; PT defenders are running on emotion and nostalgia, not reality.

 

[HE1NZ]

For every decent shot done with practical effects there is some shiny shitty shot in the films. In the cherry picked video you just posted it all looks like shiny ass outside of the Naboo scenery and architecture.

Not one moment of the entire PT feels "lived in" and real like in the OT. The ST *also* failed to evoke the "lived in" feel of the OT... but the ST didn't suck fucking ass like the PT so it gets a pass there.

We're literally debating whether or not the CGI was good when my entire point here is that the people who think the PT is better than the ST are wearing rose-colored nostalgia glasses. By every measure the ST is superior (box office, critics, audience), and as a huge fan myself, I agree.

The fact that folks like Franky are going apeshit rambling about woke agendas and telling people to eat dicks simply proves my point; PT defenders are running on emotion and nostalgia, not reality.

They were never going after "lived in" look in the prequels. They are showing the civilized age. Naboo was modeled after Vienna I think. Why would it look like OT? Tatooine and other backward planets do look "lived in" in the prequels.

CGI in the prequels was state of the art back then. Looks better than Pixar Leia anyway. Try cherry picking episode 2 and 3, those weren't massacred quite as bad on video.

Franky is right about woke agenda in the Disneys, it's nothing more than a vessel for it. But these movies are bad for all sorts of reason beyond the politics. I wonder what drives you to defend them so stubbornly.

 

[QuantumZebra]

They were never going after "lived in" look in the prequels. They are showing the civilized age. Naboo was modeled after Vienna I think. Why would it look like OT? Tatooine and other backward planets do look "lived in" in the prequels.

CGI in the prequels was state of the art back then. Looks better than Pixar Leia anyway. Try cherry picking episode 2 and 3, those weren't massacred quite as bad on video.

Franky is right about woke agenda in the Disneys, it's nothing more than a vessel for it. But these movies are bad for all sorts of reason beyond the politics. I wonder what drives you to defend them so stubbornly.

Lmao A) that dude is fucking unhinged and B) *everything* is woke now unless its specifically made to not be.

You wonder what drives me to defend them so stubbornly? What, am I supposed to suddenly go "oh my, you're right! the ST *is* a secret woke movie cult that's trying to turn my frogs gay!". No, I see shitty opinions defending shitty movies and that's fine until folks try to tell other folks not to watch the ST cause they're sour over it and mistakenly think the PT doesn't suck dog ass.

No, the fucking ST is better than the PT, dude. The PT films got outdone by their own fucking novels. The PT sucks ass. And yet again, audience, critic, and box office reflect that. I'm not out here telling people not to watch the PT, but I sure as shit will chime in if people try to drag the ST while defending the PT.

Y'all can't claim your stupid fucking "woke agenda" shit when the PT got dragged for sucking ass before the word "woke" was even being used. Gtfo with that lazy ass critique.

 

[teezzy]

@HE1NZ

I think its on the VHS trilogy set I have. There's like special features prior to the movies playing on each tape, but George Lucas talks about art/films as if they're like a living thing. It's kinda a neat perspective in all honesty, all things considered.

There's a few similar quotes from him I found online:

"Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It's abandoned or it's ripped out of your hands, and it's thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It's a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, "That's exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I'm going to put it out there.""
-- George Lucas

"Most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work. They've got a new perspective on it, they've got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done."
-- George Lucas

"I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished."
-- George Lucas

People can disagree with his creative decisions all they want, and yeah, my favorite versions of each movie are also the ones which I grew up with, but man, I respect the dude for being willing to go against popular opinion and turn his creative works into what he thinks is best.

 

[QuantumZebra]

@HE1NZ

I think its on the VHS trilogy set I have. There's like special features prior to the movies playing on each tape, but George Lucas talks about art/films as if they're like a living thing. It's kinda a neat perspective in all honesty, all things considered.

There's a few similar quotes from him I found online:

"Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It's abandoned or it's ripped out of your hands, and it's thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It's a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, "That's exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I'm going to put it out there.""
-- George Lucas

"Most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work. They've got a new perspective on it, they've got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done."
-- George Lucas

"I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished."
-- George Lucas

People can disagree with his creative decisions all they want, and yeah, my favorite versions of each movie are also the ones which I grew up with, but man, I respect the dude for being willing to go against popular opinion and turn his creative works into what he thinks is best.

Lucas had moments of brilliance and moments of cringe that needed to be reigned in by a real director. I wish Kasdan had come back for the PT.

The guy was trying to make "That's so wizard!" a thing. Not to mention the weird fucking names, my god. I think he wanted to name Yoda "Buffy". And let's not forget "Darth Insanius" lol.

Also someone should have tased him before he was allowed to throw some of that CGI into the OT.

 

[O-N-E]

The best Star Wars movie is Revenge of the Sith.

The best Star Wars character is Babu Frik.

I concur with @Calcium on most of the movies being shit.

 

[QuantumZebra]

The best Star Wars movie is Revenge of the Sith.

The best Star Wars character is Babu Frik.

I concur with @Calcium on most of the movies being shit.

On topic I forgot this, one of the only times I'll agree with Patton Oswalt:




"does he have like, the little helmet on, and he's killing people?" gets me everytime

 

[teezzy]

@QuantumZebra

George Lucas is the real deal, and oddly underrated as a filmmaker. I've gotten into plenty of arguments defending him with film snobs in the past

Both THX 1138 and American Graffiti were masterful





It's a shame George never explored other creative ventures after Star Wars

I'd be willing to bet his output would be held in similar regard to that of a Scorsese, DePalma or even Spielberg if that were the case

 

[QuantumZebra]

@QuantumZebra

George Lucas is the real deal, and oddly underrated as a filmmaker. I've gotten into plenty of arguments defending him with film snobs in the past

Both THX 1138 and American Graffiti were masterful





It's a shame George never explored other creative ventures after Star Wars

I'd be willing to bet his output would be held in similar regard to that of a Scorsese, DePalma or even Spielberg if that were the case

Unironically his best work as a director is when he's not doing Star Wars.

He suggested "Darth Icky" as Starkiller's name for The Force Unleashed. I'll leave that there.

 

[teezzy]

Unironically his best work as a director is when he's not doing Star Wars.

He suggested "Darth Icky" as Starkiller's name for The Force Unleashed. I'll leave that there.

I'm fairly certain Han Solo was also originally some sort of humanoid lizard in the original Star Wars script draft

Dude just wanted to blend together his love of Buck Rogers and Kurosawa samurai movies lol

 

[Vyse]

I'm fairly certain Han Solo was also originally some sort of humanoid lizard in the original Star Wars script draft

Dude just wanted to blend together his love of Buck Rogers and Kurosawa samurai movies lol

The Star Wars. It was adapted into a graphic novel. It has some great art but the story is meh.

Also, I remember them talking about the rough draft in the making of Star Wars original trilogy DVD.

 

[Franky Family]

Lmao A) that dude is fucking unhinged and B) *everything* is woke now unless its specifically made to not be.

Yeah, I'm "unhinged" that's it

Unhinged, yet all I'm doing is talking to you and vehemently arguing points in which you are completely disregarding. I will concede in every single area in which I am proven wrong. But this is a subjective discussion and you refuse to see what's right in front of you

I don't even like discussing woke cinema. But look now — it has infected your cherished series. Now you get to hear about it whether you like it or not, because it's there and it's not going away anytime soon

Enjoy your purple-haired, anorexic, granny generals buddy

So strong, such bold. Grandma is running the platoon! Look at those strong arms, there's no way she'd ever fall in hand to hand combat. She doesn't even need armor bro, she goes to war and commands the army in a turtle neck sweater! That's fucking hardcore man! No medals of honor no stripes no uniform, she doesn't need all that. Don't you know? Fashion, hairstyle, and nails > war room

 

[QuantumZebra]

Yeah, I'm "unhinged" that's it

Unhinged, yet all I'm doing is talking to you and vehemently arguing points in which you are completely disregarding. I will concede in every single area in which I am proven wrong. But this is a subjective discussion and you refuse to see what's right in front of you

I don't even like discussing woke cinema. But look now — it has infected your cherished series. Now you get to hear about it whether you like it or not, because it's there and it's not going away anytime soon

Enjoy your purple-haired, anorexic, granny generals buddy

So strong, such bold. Grandma is running the platoon! Look at those strong arms, there's no way she'd ever fall in hand to hand combat. She doesn't even need armor bro, she goes to war and commands the army in a turtle neck sweater! That's fucking hardcore man! No medals of honor no stripes no uniform, she doesn't need all that. Don't you know? Fashion, hairstyle, and nails > war room

I'm a fan of Star Wars, ever since I could comprehend what I was seeing and reading. I will critique it when it deserves it, and defend it when it is wrongly criticized.

If you think I would judge an entire movie over a characters purple fucking hair in a massive space fantasy world where we have **literal goddamn horse people** you're crazier than I initially said.

YOU started shit, told me to eat fat dick (I guess you like the fat ones?), YOU went on a psycho rampage about woke whatever, YOU are not an actual Star Wars fan. You're just fucking crying because purple lady.

Why don't you boycott horse pilot instead, you fucking nutball:

--

Oh and just because I feel like draggin you harder, you pathetic man-child; here is Adm. Grace Hopper, "an old grandmother" who was one of the greatest Naval Officers in US history. But I guess reality is way crazier than space wizards?

Grace Hopper - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[teezzy]

BRB writing my explicit horse pilot meets purple haired anorexic grandma general star wars romantic fanfic

 

[QuantumZebra]

BRB writing my explicit horse pilot meets purple haired anorexic grandma general star wars romantic fanfic

 

[Franky Family]

I'm a fan of Star Wars, ever since I could comprehend what I was seeing and reading. I will critique it when it deserves it, and defend it when it is wrongly criticized.

If you think I would judge an entire movie over a characters purple fucking hair in a massive space fantasy world where we have **literal goddamn horse people** you're crazier than I initially said.

YOU started shit, told me to eat fat dick (I guess you like the fat ones?), YOU went on a psycho rampage about woke whatever, YOU are not an actual Star Wars fan. You're just fucking crying because purple lady.

Why don't you boycott horse pilot instead, you fucking nutball:

--

Oh and just because I feel like draggin you harder, you pathetic man-child; here is Adm. Grace Hopper, "an old grandmother" who was one of the greatest Naval Officers in US history. But I guess reality is way crazier than space wizards?

Grace Hopper - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Does your crying change the fact that Star Wars is woke now? No. Lol

 

[Franky Family]

Also, that's an actual Admiral. Not one with purple hair and zero toughness

Disney Wars, where turtle necks = battle attire. And I'm the pathetic man-child? Huh… that's odd

 

[QuantumZebra]

Does your crying change the fact that Star Wars is woke now? No. Lol

Dude, you're the one crying. You've been rampaging about "woke agenda" and talking shit this entire thread. Have you any self-awareness at all? You don't even seem like a fucking Star Wars fan.

Also, that's an actual Admiral. Not one with purple hair and zero toughness

Disney Wars, where turtle necks = battle attire. And I'm the pathetic man-child? Huh… that's odd

You clearly have no knowledge of military dress or doctrine, why are you even commenting on it?

Turtlenecks are battle attire genius, specifically for - you guessed it! Navy:

 

[Franky Family]

Have you any self-awareness at all?

Very ironic. The woke Disney Wars fan telling me I have zero self-awareness; when you cannot even grasp that what you're watching is woke lol

And let me guess, the dress that purple woke granny general wore, that's battle attire as well? Keep digging yourself further in the grave. I feel like I can have a better convo with a lobotomized Jar Jar Binks than you bro

 

[QuantumZebra]

Very ironic. The woke Disney Wars fan telling me I have zero self-awareness; when you cannot even grasp that what you're watching is woke lol

And let me guess, the dress that purple woke granny general wore, that's battle attire as well? Keep digging yourself further in the grave. I feel like I can have a better convo with a lobotomized Jar Jar Binks than you bro

I just realized I've been arguing with a 14yr old. Fuck.

Carry on.

 

[Hinedorf]

I've repeatedly tried to watch the Rise of Skywalker but can't help but hate everything about it aside from being visually cool.

I can't help but feel the entire movie was made for original fans to hate Star Wars but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Franky Family]

I just realized I've been arguing with a 14yr old. Fuck.

Carry on.

You know, if you wanted to end the conversation it probably would have been best to just let it die or agree to disagree maybe. I've watched every major theatrical release minus the Disney spinoffs, Rogue One and Solo. Things were fine until Disney bought the rights, and put their stamp on the series. Notice how nobody agreed with any of your stances about the sequels being strong Star Wars films? It's not the end of the world. I have no idea why you became so butthurt in this thread lol

 

[QuantumZebra]

You know, if you wanted to end the conversation it probably would have been best to just let it die or agree to disagree maybe. I've watched every major theatrical release minus the Disney spinoffs, Rogue One and Solo. Things were fine until Disney bought the rights, and put their stamp on the series. Notice how nobody agreed with any of your stances about the sequels being strong Star Wars films? It's not the end of the world. I have no idea why you became so butthurt in this thread lol

The last thing I give a shit about is what people on a enthusiast forum think. Of course its gonna skew for nostalgic PT over actually better ST.

The difference with me is I'm not so emotionally distraught over purple hair lady that I can't see the ST is a better trilogy. I'm an actual Star Wars fan. You're just a whiny bitch.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I've repeatedly tried to watch the Rise of Skywalker but can't help but hate everything about it aside from being visually cool.

I can't help but feel the entire movie was made for original fans to hate Star Wars but maybe I'm wrong.

It was JJ desperately trying to make sense of what Rian Johnson did in TLJ.

JJ struck gold with TFA and Rian threw a fucking curveball with TLJ. A truly great director (or Rian himself) could have closed the trilogy strong... JJ is not a truly great director.

RoS tried to appeal to the old heads who loved the PT that got angry over TLJ (case in point here) by using nostalgia. Problem is it was way too empty of a gesture and not well done.

Real shame as the ST had a chance to be something truly awesome.

 

[Franky Family]

The last thing I give a shit about is what people on a enthusiast forum think. Of course its gonna skew for nostalgic PT over actually better ST.

The difference with me is I'm not so emotionally distraught over purple hair lady that I can't see the ST is a better trilogy. I'm an actual Star Wars fan. You're just a whiny bitch.

Emotionally distraught... Right, riiiiiiight

Well, enjoy bro. It's clear that you can't handle disagreements or a little shit talk while discussing similar topics of interest. You can't even accept facts when presented. I'm a Star Wars fan too lol, I just don't take it nearly as seriously as you do lmao. But like I said, have at it. There will be plenty of content to come. I'm going to "force-watch" the next Star Wars in theaters just so that we can discuss it together

 

[Franky Family]

I've repeatedly tried to watch the Rise of Skywalker but can't help but hate everything about it aside from being visually cool.

I can't help but feel the entire movie was made for original fans to hate Star Wars but maybe I'm wrong.

I saw it in theaters. Aside from a scene where they enter a base or some shit near the ocean, the film was entirely unremarkable

The best part of the film, was the Star Wars theme that played in the beginning

 

[QuantumZebra]

Emotionally distraught... Right, riiiiiiight

Well, enjoy bro. It's clear that you can't handle disagreements or a little shit talk while discussing similar topics of interest. You can't even accept facts when presented. I'm a Star Wars fan too lol, I just don't take it nearly as seriously as you do lmao. But like I said, have at it. There will be plenty of content to come. I'm going to "force-watch" the next Star Wars in theaters just so that we can discuss it together

You went on a 3 paragraph rant about a "woke agenda" and told me to eat a dick you fucking pussy, don't walk it back now.

Homie teezy was just posting about being happy to watch some Star Wars and your whiny ass comes in here crying about purple lady and woke agendas.

Go yell at your mom to make pop tarts or something you cunt.

 

[Franky Family]

You went on a 3 paragraph rant about a "woke agenda" and told me to eat a dick you fucking pussy, don't walk it back now.

Homie teezy was just posting about being happy to watch some Star Wars and your whiny ass comes in here crying about purple lady and woke agendas.

Go yell at your mom to make pop tarts or something you cunt.

I meant what I said, you can still eat a dick lmfao. Your feelings are obviously still hurt, I'll let you cool off

Maybe you can use some of your tears to lube up and fuck that Watto-inspired pocket pussy of yours

 

[QuantumZebra]

I meant what I said, you can still eat a dick lmfao. Your feelings are obviously still hurt, I'll let you cool off

Maybe you can use some of your tears to lube up and fuck that Watto-inspired pocket pussy of yours

Ahh yeah there we go. You're such a baby back bitch you pretended to be cool and then the real seethe bled through.

 

[Soodanim]

I skipped past most of the bickering, but I'm inclined to agree with Zebra that the woman not in battle armour isn't exactly an issue. Strategic minds are there to be minds, not weapons. If the guards fail she's fucked anyway, armour won't save her. The scale on which they fight means she's very unlikely to encounter combat, so a bit of artistic license giving her a look to stand out (because she's a bland as fuck character) is fine.

I definitely disagree that the ST is better than the PT, though. ST has no idea what it's doing, with characters that are constantly ruined including returning characters. Luke? Ruined. Leia? Nice frozen force rocket you turned yourself into there. Han? His character arc is "Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off". Rey? Instant mega genius force expert with no training. Finn? Story went nowhere, became a little bitch pining after Rey. Ben? Not much to say, but his mysterious super guards did fuck all. Others? I don't remember anyone else. Except Sheev. I remember him, coming back out of nowhere because they spunked an incredibly important plot point on fucking Fortnite. Good luck explaining anything to do with that Sith planet. At least PT, for all its faults, knew what story it was telling.

Sequel Trilogy isn't woke, it's shit.

 

[Franky Family]

Admiral Ackbar Actor Tim Rose Details Humiliation on the Set of Disney's Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Admiral Ackbar actor Tim Rose detailed the humiliation he suffered on the set of Disney's Star Wars: The Last Jedi after his character was unceremoniously killed by Kylo Ren.

boundingintocomics.com

Down to almost every last detail, the ST is shit. Disney-hired director Rian Johnson doesn't even understand the weight of the moments in which he's capturing and the affect they have on the Star Wars universe. The direction of the series took could not have been any worse. Not to mention, it's woke. Pure diversity hires. Zero talent with these new main characters. And they're all ugly as fuck too

I remember when being a movie star meant something. Now any average looking shmuck with little to no acting skills can land a lead role in a major motion picture. Hell even BELOW AVERAGE, way wayyy below average. Just look at the actress who plays Rose Tico. Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Jonah Hill and ELLIOT PAGE were casted to be heroes in the next "Star Wars"

Shit's a damn joke

 

[teezzy]

 

[Soodanim]

I think so many fans latched into the "Sith Jar Jar" theory because it helps justify someone whose existence is nothing more than an attempt at comic relief for kids

 

[Grinchy]

If the sequel trilogy was just Finn as the main character and followed a competent story about a stormtrooper that felt morally wrong and turned to the resistance, it would have been pretty damn good.

But since it's Star Wars, they aren't allowed to have a competent story, and since it's modern day Star Wars, you can't have a man as the lead even if his skin is the proper checklist color.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I skipped past most of the bickering, but I'm inclined to agree with Zebra that the woman not in battle armour isn't exactly an issue. Strategic minds are there to be minds, not weapons. If the guards fail she's fucked anyway, armour won't save her. The scale on which they fight means she's very unlikely to encounter combat, so a bit of artistic license giving her a look to stand out (because she's a bland as fuck character) is fine.

I definitely disagree that the ST is better than the PT, though. ST has no idea what it's doing, with characters that are constantly ruined including returning characters. Luke? Ruined. Leia? Nice frozen force rocket you turned yourself into there. Han? His character arc is "Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off". Rey? Instant mega genius force expert with no training. Finn? Story went nowhere, became a little bitch pining after Rey. Ben? Not much to say, but his mysterious super guards did fuck all. Others? I don't remember anyone else. Except Sheev. I remember him, coming back out of nowhere because they spunked an incredibly important plot point on fucking Fortnite. Good luck explaining anything to do with that Sith planet. At least PT, for all its faults, knew what story it was telling.

Sequel Trilogy isn't woke, it's shit.

If the sequel trilogy was just Finn as the main character and followed a competent story about a stormtrooper that felt morally wrong and turned to the resistance, it would have been pretty damn good.

But since it's Star Wars, they aren't allowed to have a competent story, and since it's modern day Star Wars, you can't have a man as the lead even if his skin is the proper checklist color.

See I can completely understand y'alls critique there, and respect it. Obviously I disagree (as I've already said many times the PT is cringey and a snoozefest with a confusing as fuck plot and shit dialogue - but it ends on a higher note than the ST). Autistic screeching about wokeness doesn't do fuck all for anyone.

The ST and the PT are almost inverse of each other. ST starts strong and loses its way... PT starts awful and finds ground at the end. I just find the first two ST films to be much better than the lone good PT film (RotS). And I would again reference the ST outdoing the PT across the board in reviews and box office that the ST found wider appeal and made more sense.

That being said I will also agree that the PT had an idea of what story it was telling; but the catch is: it's because the story was essentially pre-written. Short of some tweaks we knew where it was all going. That's why I DISLIKE the PT so much. It could have been fucking fantastic.

Think about it... imagine The Phantom Menace that followed the novel and involved Darth Plagueis and less CGI garbage and pointless shit. An Anakin that wasn't a whiny cunt for 95% of the trilogy's runtime. A real and emotionally involved evolution into Vader. It would be FUCKING AWESOME.

Instead we got "I hate sand" and Jar Jar and garbage CGI and oh cool lightsaber flips!

The ST on the flip-side was in uncharted territory with 10,000 different "Legends" novels that all told varying and conflicting accounts of the post-ROTJ SW universe. Would Mara Jade and Luke and the Young Jedi Temple been a great one? Maybe! But they also might have fucked it up as badly as the PT.

I could award ANH/ESB and ROTJ/TFA a tie at 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and feel fine with it. Some days the order changes. ROTJ was my favorite as a kid.

The ST started so strong I can only imagine what could have been if Rian Johnson didn't stick his dick into the story and try to "subvert expectations"... TLJ *is* a damn good film... but it's only because Rian is a good filmmaker. They should have had a yes man come in and do exactly what they were told by JJ/Lucas/Kennedy. They needed a safe and coherent ending to the ST. Instead we got TLJ throwing a wrench in everything, upsetting everyone, and JJ desperately tried with his limited talent to make a coherent finale.


TL;DR:

- The PT is shit because they had the material right there and couldn't make a compelling trilogy you want to watch over and over out of it. They botched almost everything across the board. Obi-Wan and Palpatine are the only people who saved it. Lucas thought he could do no wrong after the resurgence of SW in the 90s and then he had to rub his CGI nuts on the OT and then couldn't get out of his own way and hire competent directors and screenwriters for the PT.

- The ST is probably the biggest missed opportunity in the history of film. TFA was amazing and all they had to do was keep their shit together for 2 more films. Play it safe! It's fucking space wizards... just give us some fanservice like Luke in Mandalorian and have Rey be his long lost kid or something. So fucking easy... It reminds me of the Falcons Super Bowl (SBLI) - you had it all right there and you fumbled the goddamn bag on the biggest stage ever. Heartbreaking.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

 

[ExpandKong]

hey we ran a decloaking scan turns out our old janitor knew about our classified hyperspace tracking system, I guess he dusted it maybe?

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Watching Luke Skywalker abandon his friends and denounce the jedi teachings was like watching Mario dismember a hooker in a hotel bathtub

Watching Rey hold that stupid dagger up to find out where the maguffin was felt like watching my once mighty grandfather forget who he was while shitting himself in a hospital bed

The PT has its fair share of problems but anyone who would rather watch the Disney trilogy is mentally deficient. The only thing it did better than shitting on the OT characters was shitting on the potential of its own new characters, Finn more than any of them but certainly also Kylo Ren, Hux, Snoke, even Poe.

Somehow Palptine returned! He was nice enough to let everyone know though, in fortnite.

I'm not saying anything new here so whatever. Teezzy and quantumania zebra I'm not going to say you are retarded but I am going to say that I feel the way I would feel if you were retarded.

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

I'm not saying anything new here so whatever. Teezzy and quantumania zebra I'm not going to say you are retarded but I am going to say that I feel the way I would feel if you were retarded.

Teezy is retarded and Star Wars is gay