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All seems over blown to me. It's an average game in a market with challenging conditions.

The main issue here is, that it's a Ubi open world game and Ubi is making those since the fucking PS3. For this high profile Star Wars game, people expected the level of quality that Ubi delivered since forever, it's their bread an butter genre. More or less the same game, the same formula with slight changes for decades at this point.

Having the worst take down animations, the worst AI, the many bugs etc. when comparing it to let's say the AC games, that's the real issue here. Many are burned by the same AC games over and over again but the Star War's spin made it interesting, this should've been an easy win.
 
Sequel Trilogy really only has stuff with Battlefront 1/2 and Lego Starwars. Literally it.

Embarrassing output of games compared to the Orginal Trilogy, nevermind the Prequels which heavily influenced Kotor 1/2 which are still unsurpassed achievements.

The PT era is also the reason why we got a surge of OT games. ST years could have outputed not just ST games but PT and OT as well. Potential worth billions of dollars, all wasted. Fools.
 
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The main issue here is, that it's a Ubi open world game and Ubi is making those since the fucking PS3. For this high profile Star Wars game, people expected the level of quality that Ubi delivered since forever, it's their bread an butter genre. More or less the same game, the same formula with slight changes for decades at this point.

Having the worst take down animations, the worst AI, the many bugs etc. when comparing it to let's say the AC games, that's the real issue here. Many are burned by the same AC games over and over again but the Star War's spin made it interesting, this should've been an easy win.

I think in a sensible gaming industry Ubisofts approach to this one would have been "we have a potential all time great game on our hands here so let's make sure we get everything right" and knock it out the park. Han Solo as main character, good writers, good voice actors, polished gameplay and performance.

Instead I feel that the approach is "people will buy, and pretend to like, anything with a Star Wars logo on it so we don't necessarily need to make a good game."

The last good mass effect was years ago, starfield was a flop, the goal is wide open here. Far Cry 5 and AC Origins were popular so the core of a good game is there. It's almost like you'd have to actively try to turn this into a disappointment.
 
I think in a sensible gaming industry Ubisofts approach to this one would have been "we have a potential all time great game on our hands here so let's make sure we get everything right" and knock it out the park. Han Solo as main character, good writers, good voice actors, polished gameplay and performance.

Instead I feel that the approach is "people will buy, and pretend to like, anything with a Star Wars logo on it so we don't necessarily need to make a good game."

The last good mass effect was years ago, starfield was a flop, the goal is wide open here. Far Cry 5 and AC Origins were popular so the core of a good game is there. It's almost like you'd have to actively try to turn this into a disappointment.

I don't actually think that was the case. The people making the game were pretty much in their woke bubble and thought they're making a total banger, while the team was competent overall, too many DEI initiatives had an impact on talent and culture that lead to the result we're seeing.
 
lol people be like, "How do you mess up so badly with the Star Wars IP, it should've been a home run!"

LOL no. Ubisoft and Star Wars under Disney are PERFECT for each other, two companies comprised of asshole licking lunatics ruining the names of two once storied companies.


Ubisoft didn't ruin Star Wars or vice versa, they are emblematic the state of the world where once beloved companies have been cored out by people who get off on wrecking things. They wanted this to happen, and when they've killed these two companies they'll move on to another place and do the same thing there. I was watching the Tim Burton Batman and it got to the part where the Joker and his minions go into the art gallery and start defacing all the art. This is the same fucking thing.
 
Star Wars bombed because it was a bad game made by people who have replaced all the talented devs.

This trend is only going to get worse.

The AAA companies are putting out games which are made by people who do not have the skills or the competency to make them great.

Bad hiring practices are what is going to finish off the former behemoths of the industry. Ass Creed Japan cannot be saved, no matter how long Ubi delay it. It's over for them already. You can almost certainly expect the same from Witcher 4, given how balls deep CDPR are in the woke shit.

Fertile soil for a crash and revival.
 
lol people be like, "How do you mess up so badly with the Star Wars IP, it should've been a home run!"

LOL no. Ubisoft and Star Wars under Disney are PERFECT for each other, two companies comprised of asshole licking lunatics ruining the names of two once storied companies.


Ubisoft didn't ruin Star Wars or vice versa, they are emblematic the state of the world where once beloved companies have been cored out by people who get off on wrecking things. They wanted this to happen, and when they've killed these two companies they'll move on to another place and do the same thing there. I was watching the Tim Burton Batman and it got to the part where the Joker and his minions go into the art gallery and start defacing all the art. This is the same fucking thing.

Yeah I think I was a bit too naive. That's a bad combination.
 
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Wait, what happened to CDPR?


Who wants to tell him?

Major investment by the activist financial groups like Blackrock has meant CDPR have gone balls deep into ESG pandering and are actively hiring based on immutable characteristics rather than merit, and their new hires have already been vocally far left in their politics and openly aggressive to gamers and normal people on social media.

Most recently they announced they are fast tracking minorities and women into management roles and adding quotas to their discriminatory hiring practices to ensure as few straight white males are added to the company as possible. They have also been importing far left activists from America into senior positions as, being Polish, there aren't enough local spiteful mutants to fill all the positions.

They've already made numerous statements about removing 'problematic' content from the Witcher 1 remake and are sidelining Geralt in Witcher 4 in favour of Ciri, with an eye to be more 'socially conscious' and to portray a more 'modern and realistic' world than the previous games.

Shits fucked, basically.

I will.

Nothing.

Appeasement and wilful ignorance never result in positive outcomes mate. Like I said recently, there is no middle ground anymore. You either accept this is happening or you end up with progressively fewer and worse games until the entire industry collapses and you lose everything.
 
I will.

Nothing.

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Major investment by the activist financial groups like Blackrock has meant CDPR have gone balls deep into ESG pandering and are actively hiring based on immutable characteristics rather than merit, and their new hires have already been vocally far left in their politics and openly aggressive to gamers and normal people on social media.

Most recently they announced they are fast tracking minorities and women into management roles and adding quotas to their discriminatory hiring practices to ensure as few straight white males are added to the company as possible. They have also been importing far left activists from America into senior positions as, being Polish, there aren't enough local spiteful mutants to fill all the positions.

They've already made numerous statements about removing 'problematic' content from the Witcher 1 remake and are sidelining Geralt in Witcher 4 in favour of Ciri, with an eye to be more 'socially conscious' and to portray a more 'modern and realistic' world than the previous games.

Shits fucked, basically.



Appeasement and wilful ignorance never result in positive outcomes mate. Like I said recently, there is no middle ground anymore. You either accept this is happening or you end up with progressively fewer and worse games until the entire industry collapses and you lose everything.

Proofs in the pudding for me. Witcher 3 is great, so is Cyberpunk. Until that changes there is no reason to worry, same for GTA honestly.
 
Proofs in the pudding for me. Witcher 3 is great, so is Cyberpunk. Until that changes there is no reason to worry, same for GTA honestly.

What indication do you have that it won't? Why would they be espousing those values and hiring those kinds of activist people if they didn't plan on changing?

I don't need to dive in the ocean to know there are monsters that will eat me swimming in it.
 
What indication do you have that it won't? Why would they be espousing those values and hiring those kinds of activist people if they didn't plan on changing?

I don't need to dive in the ocean to know there are monsters that will eat me swimming in it.

Until they actually eat you everything is fine. Apparently.
 
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What indication do you have that it won't? Why would they be espousing those values and hiring those kinds of activist people if they didn't plan on changing?

I don't need to dive in the ocean to know there are monsters that will eat me swimming in it.

It could well be. I just don't think it's worth worrying about until the games are out and we can judge fairly. As always never pre order from a team you are unsure about etc.
 
Until they actually eat you everything is fine. Apparently.

Vote with your wallet. It's the only thing these companies value. I think some companies are capable of holding a sensible middle ground, politics wise. Are we saying there's no examples of companies giving face value to DEI politics but not releasing a super woke product?
 
Major investment by the activist financial groups like Blackrock has meant CDPR have gone balls deep into ESG pandering and are actively hiring based on immutable characteristics rather than merit, and their new hires have already been vocally far left in their politics and openly aggressive to gamers and normal people on social media.

Most recently they announced they are fast tracking minorities and women into management roles and adding quotas to their discriminatory hiring practices to ensure as few straight white males are added to the company as possible. They have also been importing far left activists from America into senior positions as, being Polish, there aren't enough local spiteful mutants to fill all the positions.

They've already made numerous statements about removing 'problematic' content from the Witcher 1 remake and are sidelining Geralt in Witcher 4 in favour of Ciri, with an eye to be more 'socially conscious' and to portray a more 'modern and realistic' world than the previous games.

Shits fucked, basically.
Hard to believe this is the same company that gave us The Witcher series. I fucking loved the fantasy world that CDPR created from the works of Andrzej Sapkowski. It was Slavic rather than Norse or Celtic influenced like most Western fantasy and unbelievably BASED. It had no DEI fuckery until Netflix got their greedy little hands on it and woked it the fuck up. To see CDPR follow suit with their upcoming Witcher titles is just insulting. Aren't these assholes supposed to be based Eastern European poles?
 
Remember the catastrophe that was the release of Cyberpunk? Were they already hiring idiots solely because they're women?
I still can't figure out why they insisted on releasing it on last gen systems. It was clearly made for this current gen and their attempts to make it work on the PS4 and Xbone just resulted in disaster.
 
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Major investment by the activist financial groups like Blackrock has meant CDPR have gone balls deep into ESG pandering and are actively hiring based on immutable characteristics rather than merit, and their new hires have already been vocally far left in their politics and openly aggressive to gamers and normal people on social media.

Most recently they announced they are fast tracking minorities and women into management roles and adding quotas to their discriminatory hiring practices to ensure as few straight white males are added to the company as possible. They have also been importing far left activists from America into senior positions as, being Polish, there aren't enough local spiteful mutants to fill all the positions.

They've already made numerous statements about removing 'problematic' content from the Witcher 1 remake and are sidelining Geralt in Witcher 4 in favour of Ciri, with an eye to be more 'socially conscious' and to portray a more 'modern and realistic' world than the previous games.

Shits fucked, basically.



Appeasement and wilful ignorance never result in positive outcomes mate. Like I said recently, there is no middle ground anymore. You either accept this is happening or you end up with progressively fewer and worse games until the entire industry collapses and you lose everything.

Man that sucks. Thanks for filling me in on the details though. I guess I don't really regret sitting out most of this generation.
 
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I think people are mistaken that Star Wars is still a popular IP. It's not. The last big thing about star wars was baby Yoda and that was like 4 years ago.
Before that the ST was barely popular in pop culture with its biggest landmark being bb8. Did anyone say wow Poe or Rey so cool. Or the black guy or Adam driver?
The only thing popular about star wars is the clone wars Luke han chewie Darth Vader and the rest of the OT.
Since the game doesn't use memberberries and instead of Han they used some random masculine chick it doesn't have appeal.
Think about it. What's the last big Star Wars item ip event that made it into the cultural zeitgeist? It's been bomb after bomb for the IP. It's a joke.
Add in UBI DEI staff making a total mid game using what is essentially a dead IP and of course it's not doing well. The days of just saying Star Wars and expecting money is done. Star wars is back to being uncool again and in the trash heap with Star trek like it was in the 90s.
 
I think people are mistaken that Star Wars is still a popular IP. It's not. The last big thing about star wars was baby Yoda and that was like 4 years ago.
Before that the ST was barely popular in pop culture with its biggest landmark being bb8. Did anyone say wow Poe or Rey so cool. Or the black guy or Adam driver?
The only thing popular about star wars is the clone wars Luke han chewie Darth Vader and the rest of the OT.
Since the game doesn't use memberberries and instead of Han they used some random masculine chick it doesn't have appeal.
Think about it. What's the last big Star Wars item ip event that made it into the cultural zeitgeist? It's been bomb after bomb for the IP. It's a joke.
Add in UBI DEI staff making a total mid game using what is essentially a dead IP and of course it's not doing well. The days of just saying Star Wars and expecting money is done. Star wars is back to being uncool again and in the trash heap with Star trek like it was in the 90s.

Not using a main character is not the problem.

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Ubisoft and DEI is.
 
The original trilogy is still popular. No one really cares about anything else.

Exactly what I said. OT still has cache. If the game had Han in it it might have sold a bit better but it's still a mid game. People still have member berries for the OT. Like you said no one cares about anything after that. Baby Yoda was the last popular Star Wars thing and that was like 4 years ago
 
Not using a main character is not the problem.

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Ubisoft and DEI is.

Didn't that game come out around the PT time frame ? Even though the PT sucked it did cause a resurgence in Star Wars merchandising.

But ya I agree DEI and UBI making a mid game sunk Outlaws. They wrongly thought the star wars name could carry a totally mid game with a no name protagonist. Star wars is they now and probably won't ever not be ghey again. There is no chance Disney can make a good Star wars
 
Didn't that game come out around the PT time frame ? Even though the PT sucked it did cause a resurgence in Star Wars merchandising.

But ya I agree DEI and UBI making a mid game sunk Outlaws. They wrongly thought the star wars name could carry a totally mid game with a no name protagonist. Star wars is they now and probably won't ever not be ghey again. There is no chance Disney can make a good Star wars

Yeah I think it was after attack of the clones
 
I think people are mistaken that Star Wars is still a popular IP. It's not. The last big thing about star wars was baby Yoda and that was like 4 years ago.
Before that the ST was barely popular in pop culture with its biggest landmark being bb8. Did anyone say wow Poe or Rey so cool. Or the black guy or Adam driver?
The only thing popular about star wars is the clone wars Luke han chewie Darth Vader and the rest of the OT.
The Sequel Trilogy also happened because Disney were being greedy fucks. Since any characters featured in OT and PT were created by George Lucas, he gets a cut with any media Disney makes featuring them. So instead of paying him his royalties, they created new characters while killing the old ones off. It's just too bad the new ones they made sucked so bad that audiences didn't give a shit about them.

At the end of the day, it's the characters that draw people to Star Wars. The OT movies are classic because of how much audiences loved Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, R2 and Threepio. And for all their faults, the Prequel characters such Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Mace, etc; also have their fans. The sequels have no such interesting characters to draw audiences, except the blatant Mary Sues and POCs they were trying to sell to their nonexistent 'modern audience'.
 
Ouch if true



So between special editions and discounts maybe $80m in revenue at most, which would be about $60m after the retailers take their cut, and just $30m after Disney take their half.

Given this took at least a couple of hundred million to make, that is really fucking bad.

Worse, likely retailers paid ahead of time for stock they were assured would sell, and are now sitting on at a loss, so eventually Ubisoft would have to buy a lot of the leftover stock/keys back and pay for the time/inventory wasted, so that would eventually eat into their revenue as well.
 
So between special editions and discounts maybe $80m in revenue at most, which would be about $60m after the retailers take their cut, and just $30m after Disney take their half.

Given this took at least a couple of hundred million to make, that is really fucking bad.

Worse, likely retailers paid ahead of time for stock they were assured would sell, and are now sitting on at a loss, so eventually Ubisoft would have to buy a lot of the leftover stock/keys back and pay for the time/inventory wasted, so that would eventually eat into their revenue as well.

I think most here don't understand how critical this game was for Ubi, and in how much trouble they are.

This rips a huge hole in their already fucked budget. An organization like Ubi needs a ton of money and it's not like they were healthy.

2023:
Revenue of $1.97b
Net loss of over $500 million
Median debt of the last five years was over $2b
21k employees across many regions and countries.

It's not looking too good from a financial standpoint, having as much debt as your yearly revenue and making half a billion net loss last year. And that's with AC games selling well and not many total failures in the past. Now of course, we need to keep in mind that 2023 was a weak Ubi year with AC Mirage and Avatar, with Avatar bringing in $133 million as of January 2024, it was fine but didn't set the world on fire.

Now they desperately needed Outlaws to be very successful, they invested a lot in licensing, development, marketing and bot armies. Its commercial failure is a very, very rough blow to their financials. According to Ubi, it had the largest marketing budget of any Ubi game ever. That game, with marketing, surely cost them at least $250mil and needed to make a killing. Which it obviously didn't.

AC Shadows needs to completely knock it out of the park to save Ubi. Even if it's only somewhat successful, Ubi won't be able to pay the bills.

I can't see them being able to survive on their own. Investors will wait for AC Shadows, knowing it won't be able to save Ubi, then strike when Ubi is at their weakest, to buy and salvage them.
 
I think most here don't understand how critical this game was for Ubi, and in how much trouble they are.

This rips a huge hole in their already fucked budget. An organization like Ubi needs a ton of money and it's not like they were healthy.

2023:
Revenue of $1.97b
Net loss of over $500 million
Median debt of the last five years was over $2b
21k employees across many regions and countries.

It's not looking too good from a financial standpoint, having as much debt as your yearly revenue and making half a billion net loss last year. And that's with AC games selling well and not many total failures in the past. Now of course, we need to keep in mind that 2023 was a weak Ubi year with AC Mirage and Avatar, with Avatar bringing in $133 million as of January 2024, it was fine but didn't set the world on fire.

Now they desperately needed Outlaws to be very successful, they invested a lot in licensing, development, marketing and bot armies. Its commercial failure is a very, very rough blow to their financials. According to Ubi, it had the largest marketing budget of any Ubi game ever. That game, with marketing, surely cost them at least $250mil and needed to make a killing. Which it obviously didn't.

AC Shadows needs to completely knock it out of the park to save Ubi. Even if it's only somewhat successful, Ubi won't be able to pay the bills.

I can't see them being able to survive on their own. Investors will wait for AC Shadows, knowing it won't be able to save Ubi, then strike when Ubi is at their weakest, to buy and salvage them.

Fuck them. Let them call BLM or any of the other cunts they bent the knee to and let them pay their fucking bills
 
The main issue here is, that it's a Ubi open world game and Ubi is making those since the fucking PS3. For this high profile Star Wars game, people expected the level of quality that Ubi delivered since forever, it's their bread an butter genre. More or less the same game, the same formula with slight changes for decades at this point.

Having the worst take down animations, the worst AI, the many bugs etc. when comparing it to let's say the AC games, that's the real issue here. Many are burned by the same AC games over and over again but the Star War's spin made it interesting, this should've been an easy win.

The thing is they hired talented people back then, now it's all DEI hires.
 
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