Dacon
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Thread: Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Official Game Reveal & Off Topic
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I have a zero tolerance policy on DEI so I'm out.
John Matrix
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Yeah man. That's where I'm at. A lot of people seem to be fine with the developers turning Henry gay but I'm not because the developers are hypocrites. They turn a straight character gay but they would never turn a gay character straight.
The backlash would be insane "what are you saying, that gay people can turn straight with enough encouragement and conversion therapy". Warhorse Studios would be set on fire. If Henry would've shown interest in other male characters or gay romances would've been in KCD1 then I would shut up because it's consistent with the first game. But it's not.
I'll get the game but on a deep discount way down the line, 15 bucks or so. They are not getting my money any time soon.
Yeah, including the gay option all of a sudden is the I in DEI. No doubt for the modern audience, who, if they even existed, would boycott anything by Warhorse, anyway. Stupid decision.
As for "it's only optional", that's the reason the industry is in the toilet. That's how it all started.
DonDonDonPata
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Give Geralt a "gay option" and then let's hear what the Witcher fans say.
There is no plausible historical or psychological scenario where the character Henry that we see in the first game would even entertain the notion of "lying with a man". The mindset of people regarding human sexuality in the Middle Ages was so different form ours that the very intellectual concepts of "being gay" or "sexual orientation" didn't exist.
Grinchy
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Are there customization options? Like can I give Henry a half-shaved haircut and dye it pink and then make him gay? GOTY if so.
Seriously though, it does seem like an odd choice to add a gay option to a character that's already been established to be straight in the first game (which I'm assuming, since I didn't play the first). Historical whatever aside, that's just odd on its own and doesn't feel like a very "Vavra" choice, despite what he claims to be his vision all along.
Seriously though, it does seem like an odd choice to add a gay option to a character that's already been established to be straight in the first game (which I'm assuming, since I didn't play the first). Historical whatever aside, that's just odd on its own and doesn't feel like a very "Vavra" choice, despite what he claims to be his vision all along.
Phunkydiabetic
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Maybe Vavra is making a covert statement that being gay IS a choice and you can see it here as the studliest stud of 15th century Bohemia has switched to taking it in the rear. For funsies.
DonDonDonPata
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Henry was a heterosexual virgin, and you can roleplay as a celibate. There's an achievement for it and it affects how you play through the story if you go that route. Celibacy ties directly into the setting and story. And the same goes for his hookups: Henry has several different options during the story and several of them are related to quests.
So it's not like he is some blank slate.
Like @John Matrix said, imagine if some devs gave a strictly gay person a "hetero option" in the sequel
So it's not like he is some blank slate.
Like @John Matrix said, imagine if some devs gave a strictly gay person a "hetero option" in the sequel
Roadmap of future content announced including the 3 DLCs in the Expansion Pass all hitting this year.
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Saruhashi
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Hm. I really hope that this isn't true.
The gay sex scene seems like it would be played for laughs and sounds like something you could easily have in GTA or old Saints Row. Nothing major there.
The other two sidequests described there? Hmmm. You'd like to think they would have steered well clear of this stuff.
If this is true then this industry is basically captured at all levels and probably will be this way for a while yet.
Youre going to have a situation where the game is great and everything seems fine but you need to engage with this ideological stuff if you want to play the game.
I always described the woke stuff in Spider-Man as a sort of "eat your greens" thing where yes we all know you want to web swing and fight bad guys but our woke investors and developers have this ideology to push so would you just eat your greens and play as MJ for a moment and then you can get your Spiderman game back.
Of course eating you greens is ultimately healthy so the analogy is not perfect. This woke shit is toxic.
So, look, you wanted your medieval RPG with realism and good graphics and combat and characters so if you wouldn't mind playing a little LGBTQ sidequest here and an "isn't multiculturalism wonderful" sidequest there then we can get on with the game.
Its shit.
So no doubt the counter to any criticism will be "but it's just one teeny weeny sidequest".
Hopefully it isn't true and the game is fine.
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I would advise taking anything like the above with a hefty pinch of scepticism, as there are a lot of bitter people on the left who want this game to fail as they despise Vavra and Warhorse and desperately wanted to see the first game fail, and this is their opportunity to take a second bite of the cherry so to speak if they can turn people against the sequel.
Still, I already pre-ordered the game and I'm presently working on the OT for it now, so if you want to wait and see whether it is truly Woke or not, I'll post my thoughts/Review in late May/June depending on how much time I can put into versus RL commitments (my time is not my own presently). I'm thorough with RPGs, so I'll deep-dive into it.
There is a Virgin Achievement for not getting with anyone during the game. However, it's heavily implied that Henry and Bianca are banging on the regular at the game's start. A bit of a crap achievement though, because going that route loses you a lot of additional conversations, and thus slows your speech skill gains.
Talking of which in my KCD replay I must have pumped my Speech skill too high because I went to Father Godwin and managed to convince him straight off the bat to spill the beans on Limpy Lubosh without having to get wankered with him at the local tavern firstly. Which was a bit 'I did not know that was possible' and at the same time 'noo!!' as that whole section was pretty good fun. On the flip side, it did mean I got to Reeky before Runt's men got to him and we were able to kill them all. Got a lot more details out of him about the raid as well in the process. Despite everything I let Reeky off as it seemed like his whole crew were entirely out of their depth and figured Runts lot were planning on stealing the horse and need a hand. I'm hoping that there's an opportunity to still get mashed with Father Godwin down the line though.
John Matrix
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This is the last I'll write on this topic but Warhorse themselves posted 7 years ago in a YouTube video that Henry was strictly straight, not bi or homosexual. You guys can see the whole combo on the X link. Something definitely changed, maybe his head injury at the beginning of the game changed his sexuality???
Either way I'm not playing this for a couple of years. Add the fact that they are going to release like 3 expansions. I might as well wait for a sale on the sure to come "Royal" or ""Ultimate" edition and do one playthrough with everything included.
Phunkydiabetic
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The OT for this game is going to be completely fucked up isn't it
Dude, do you honestly think that the entirety of Warhorse Studios sits around and collectively composes every comment that gets posted and holds to them like some bible? Least of all ones from YouTube comments 7 years ago.
People need to recognise that Grummz is a grifter for doom-mongering. Sure, occasionally, he's right, but oftentimes, he's wide of the mark. I mean, I didn't even bother responding to the Tweet that Taysan posted earlier on because it was quite clearly a fucking joke.
Hard to say. Due to time constraints, I'm not going to go too in-depth on it save covering: -
- About (The Game)
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Agreed it should be kept to this thread, but it is fascinating seeing the heel turn in real time from 7 years ago
Grinchy
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You guys are gonna be jealous AF of my steelbook. Please don't DM me for lots of photos of it. I'm a busy man
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Has that Black wizard from Hogwarts vibe
This is very sad after Vavra's stance on the first game. He's sold out massively.
To be honest, and not knowing the context, this is something that a medieval Muslim chieftain might have said to a Western Christian, since they would have claimed that they were more knowledgeable (since they knew Islam and the Koran, which is the ultimate knowledge to them), and they would have expressed that their treatment of women (having them covering their heads or faces) is better treatment, as they would have seen Western women as decadent and allowed to be objects of sexual desire by showing forbidden parts of their bodies.
Even today, Islamists will say that they treat women better than us because we allow them to walk around naked, in violation of morals and Allah's word.
So maybe this isn't so bad in context. Much will depend on the Christians' reaction to what the Muslim man says.
Let's face it you'll be too busy trying to figure out who your gay romance will be Grinch esp when you find your female romance options are these two: -
Saruhashi
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It'll be interesting now to see how the game is received at launch. The early buzz has been really good but the last few days it feels like they're trying to hide a bit of "The Message" in the game.
You'd think of all the games out there this one would not need to bend the knee.
The ResetEra crew are never going to give it a fair chance and "oh but there's gay sex and a black guy in this one" isn't going to change their mind.
Adding weird stuff like this to the game now just seems like a way to lose the confidence of the people who supported the first game.
Really needless.
I dread to think what GTA VI is going to be like. That would be one you would hope to skewer both left and right but I have a bad feeling about it.
If Warhorse will bend the knee then anyone will. The only games coming out unscathed will be those that nobody notices. AAA is done.
Grinchy
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Let's face it you'll be too busy trying to figure out who your gay romance will be Grinch esp when you find your female romance options are these two: -
Omg, I'm finally ready to pick up a pitchfork and join the haters
Griff Gaming who is the dude who did the 100% Hardcore KCD playthrough posts his KCD II Impressions
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Can we just have a fucking game where this gay shit isn't shoved into it? I'll give a pass to a role playing game where you can create your character but a game where it's already established that your character is straight? Nah man. They bowed down to the woke mafia.
Hinedorf
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At this point I've seen enough. Game looks cool and it's clearly not dripping with 'woke'. Compared to some of the most recent shit a gay option doesn't really bother me, leaves me more or less neutral considering how much worse it could be.
Game looks like an absolute mountain of a task to learn and I don't know I have that dedication with MH Wilds a few weeks down the road. Likely a wait/watch unless a dry spell hits in 2025 which doesn't appear to be the case.
Game looks like an absolute mountain of a task to learn and I don't know I have that dedication with MH Wilds a few weeks down the road. Likely a wait/watch unless a dry spell hits in 2025 which doesn't appear to be the case.
Phunkydiabetic
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Grinchy
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Longer than that, luckily. I gotta beat a couple things before this gets here.
Then I have MH Wilds at the end of the month. And that damn Marvel Rivals. Too much to play!
Phunkydiabetic
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Game is going to consume. I doubt I'll get to Kuttenberg for months. I'll be too busy picking all those herbs and solving village mysteries.
Move on from what? This sounds awful: "Yes it is 100% confirmed that Henry can indeed romance a male character."
Listen, I get it in Bioware, etc. games where you create a character and decide their background, etc. and decide what kind of person the protagonist is, but Henry is very much an established character. Even giving him the option to "go gay" is fucked up in my opinion.
Oh well, I might pick it up down the line, but this is tremendously disappointing. Glad to hear it's optional and doesn't seem to pander in other respects, but I just have to ask, "why?"
I'll respect the people who don't care about this stuff and stay out of it.
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$44 for Standard. Preordered the Gold Edition
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$44 for Standard. Preordered the Gold Edition
Zefah if you're all about boycotting it over this just commit fully, no half-measures of 'I'll pick it up down the line' 'When it's on deep discount' or 'I'll pirate it' (If you are prepared to play it you should be prepared to pay for it).
I'm not opposed to boycotts. I'm never playing Dragon Age: Veilguard or AC Shadows for instance, because based on what has been said and seen those are irredeemable DEI trash and just don't appeal to me on any level as gameplay experiences I want to put my limited time into. However, with BG3 I almost went down the boycott route because people online were REEing about the Bear and honestly I'm glad I didn't because that game was great, despite the odd woke concession here and there. Gay Gnomes? Ok whatever, let's get back to finding a cure for these perky brain worms and working on romancing Karlach.
Do I think KCD II is going to be DEI-infested trash? No, not remotely. I've watched a lot of video commentary from innumerable people who are presently playing the game and pretty much all of them are loving it, and in love with it. The consensus is it builds on the strong foundations of KCD and improves the formula in terms of gameplay, performance, choice & consequence and overall quality of life and has some real GoTY contender vibes to it.
Do I think including an optional gay romance, and some dude from the Empire of Mali in KCD II are bad choice on the Dev's part? Devoid of full context, sure, but at the same time, I don't know how much pressure they were under to include those things from their Publishers. From what I understand the optional gay romance scene you have to go down the rabbit hole to trigger and it is pretty tame by all accounts (unlike the female romances which are more in line with KCD I). Meanwhile, the Trader from Mali ended up in Kuttenberg as part of Sigismund's foreign mercenary army and he's largely treated as an oddity by the locals by all accounts which makes absolute sense.
If someone's of the mindset that even the whiff of potential DEI = no sale, then go for it, but if it's simply a timed protest then ultimately the biggest victim isn't the developer (the games going to sell a bucketload of copies by all accounts) it's yourself for missing out on that zeitgeist period when everyone is experiencing the game firsthand and learning it together.
I operate from a 'How much is this truly going to bother me' mindset with any of these things. An option I'm never going to undertake plus a single foreign NPC in a game this vast, hardly seems worthwhile getting irate about IMHO, least of all to the extent I'm going to wholesale eschew playing as Henry once again and missing out on hanging out with Hans and getting into all sorts of Medieval chicanery in the process.
I remember a lot of people here all going mad for snapping up copies of Hogwarts Legacy as a 'Fuck you' to Game Journos and ResetEra, but all turning a blind eye to the fact that despite the 'Woke' Mob being dead set against it Portkey Games still filled that game full of DEI pleasing Woke concessions, from an absurdly multi-cultural cast for a game supposedly set in England in 1890 through to an openly trans character running the wand shop. Yet where was the boycott over that? For the record, I never bought it, but mainly because I'm just not that into Harry Potter at the end of the day.
KCD was and still is awesome. A lot of people on the left wanted that game to fail because they negatively associated Vavra with Gamergate. Famously Waypoint (RIP) refused to review it and a fair few outlets like Eurogamer and RPS wrote some pretty histrionic articles about it at the time hoping that doing so would be the kiss of death to both it and Warhorse Studios. Yet despite all of that the game went on to sell 8 million copies because for all the furore, people downright enjoyed the game, even with its steep learning curve and unforgiving mechanics.
I find it honestly astounding that I see some people now turning on Warhorse over a couple of inclusions that don't amount to a hill of beans at the end of the day against the goodwill they've earned over the years. Still, if some people want to go on a boycott Jihad about it that's their prerogative, just don't gum up the OT when it goes up for the game is all I ask.
Also if you're not pumped to the tits for KCD II based on this trailer honestly there's no helping any of you.