[TaySan]

3D Mario will be $80, new Zelda will be $80.

Only Mario Kart has been confirmed for $80

 

[Neil Young]

See, I think people are being a little unfair with Nintendo here. Why was it okay when Sony did it and now that Nintendo does it's somehow out of line?

I remember waaaaay back in the SNES day, FFIII cost like $80 and this was in the 90s and it freaked people out. Also, remember the Neo Geo? Those games were the size of VHS tapes and cost $200 each. I wanted that system so damn bad back in 1991. I was working at a Software Etc and spent hours trying to figure out how I was going to save $700 up for the system and another $1000 for the games I wanted.

Sony games will go on sale. That 80 dollar Nintendo price is forever. Jokes have been made in this thread that 1,2 Switch is still 50 bucks.

Also, flat screen TVs used to cost thousands and DVD players were 600 bucks back in the day. The games cost a chunk because of the manufacturing and chips. We're expected to pay for the cost of making the game now when it's mostly digital and most studios are bloated with useless positions. We shouldn't be punished because these companies made MILLIONS, built huge studios, hired useless land whales and now pass it on to us.

Nintendo charging these prices for games that will never go on sale is lame, especially for a company that nickles and dimes their fans every chance they get. But it's a good game! So is this what we have to expect now? If a game gets a 90 on meta critic, will they bump the price up to 80 bucks? Nintendo is no better than EA or 2K with their predatory bullshit.

 

[cryptoadam]

Thr backlash is overblown based on misinformation.

A 10$ increase does suck but it's not the end of the world. Games were 59.99 8 years ago its a bit crazy to expect them to stay the same forever. But really best thing to do is vote for your wallet. I still get it any time something increases in price people are upset. Netflix was like 8$ at one point i think it's like 20$ now.

The console itself isn't over priced. I mean they could have cut corners to bring it to 399 or less. No hdr or 120hz. 6 gb of Ram not 12. No mic no mouse mode no magnet system and regular SD cards. Instead they packed In a ton of upgrades into the hardware.

That world tour game is 6 $ in Japan so it will most likely be 5 or 10 USD. It's a kind of throwaway game that I can't really see anyone being excited to play but people were freaking out it wasn't a free pack in. It's gonna cost less than a McDonalds trio.

And MK is Nintendos most expensive game and they probably want to sell a lot of Bundles. 2 steps forward 2 steps back in a way because the bundle you actually save 30$. They could have also been greedy and sold it for 530$ instead of 499$.

The price of the games is up to the published. Capcom is going with 59.99. So in the end its dynamic pricing and the consumer can decide what they want to spend their money on. And the market decides.

 

[cryptoadam]

Why?

That was more of a facious statement.
Games have been highly inflation resistant it's crazy.

 

[Stouffers]

And we've seen where being a loss leader has gotten Xbox.

 

[prag16]

So how hard do you all think it'll be to pre-order? All online outlets completely sold out in like 15 seconds, or something more reasonable?

 

[TaySan]

So how hard do you all think it'll be to pre-order? All online outlets completely sold out in like 15 seconds, or something more reasonable?

Stock seems pretty solid in Europe so I don't think this will be as hard to get especially with all the negativity going on. But USA probably has more aggressive scalper culture

 

[Zog]

Only Mario Kart has been confirmed for $80

Playing dumb then? Just going to pretend that a new 3D Mario and new Zelda won't be $80 because it hasn't been confirmed? LOL

$80 is the new first party top teir price and 3D Mario and Zelda fit. Plus, the last Zelda costed $10 extra compared to everything else.

 

[Zog]

And we've seen where being a loss leader has gotten Xbox.

Xbox made alot of mistakes, are we pretending that being a loss leader was their only mistake?

 

[Zog]

A 10$ increase does suck but it's not the end of the world. Games were 59.99 8 years ago its a bit crazy to expect them to stay the same forever.

So....first you say it's only a $10 increase but then reference that Switch games were $60. That's a $20 increase with the rare exception of ToTK but shouldn't you be comparing Mario Kart to Mario Kart?

 

[Mickmrly]

I think with the modern world economy, a lot of products are just going to get more expensive, including games. The world printed a crapload of money in 2020 and there was a lot of inflation due to the war in Ukraine as well. That inflation doesn't just disappear, it can only be reversed via a deep global downturn.

In addition, if games require more manhours and employees for better tech, they will need higher revenues as well. Almost everywhere in the world is having less kids, so there will be lower growth in future customers than previously. Either gaming budgets need to be reined in over time, or game prices need to increase to compensate for less new gamers coming into the market.

Nintendo has chosen to go for bigger gaming budgets and higher revenue per game. While that does have its drawbacks, that is the path they have chosen.

 

[TaySan]

So....first you say it's only a $10 increase but then reference that Switch games were $60. That's a $20 increase with the rare exception of ToTK but shouldn't you be comparing Mario Kart to Mario Kart?

For a Nintendo-only gamer I can understand the sticker shock, but everywhere else the standard has been $70 now.

 

[Zog]

For a Nintendo-only gamer I can understand the sticker shock, but everywhere else the standard has been $70 now.

Everything about the Switch 2 is being compared to Switch 1, the hardware, the games and the prices. I mean if we want to start comparing Switch 2 to other devices, I don't think it would compare favorably to the PS5/Series X or the Steam Deck but that's not really what we are talking about. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to Mario Kart World is a $20 price hike.

 

[Hardensoul]

Why?

It seems to be sarcasm!

 

[Miyazaki Loves Kojima]

Paging @Miyazaki Loves Kojima

@Zeta Dragoon is a 33rd Degree Grand Master of GameFAQs.

 

[regawdless]

Please be excited

 

[Stopped_Cold_29]

The price whining is getting absurd. Games have been $60 for like 2 decades. Anyone who expected them to stay there forever isn't paying attention to everything else in their life getting more expensive. If you buy 10-20 games a year, you're looking at between $100-400 more a year. Or you can buy 2-4 fewer games that will largely make up the difference.

 

[regawdless]

The price whining is getting absurd. Games have been $60 for like 2 decades. Anyone who expected them to stay there forever isn't paying attention to everything else in their life getting more expensive. If you buy 10-20 games a year, you're looking at between $100-400 more a year. Or you can buy 2-4 fewer games that will largely make up the difference.

"Things getting worse is actually a good thing!"

Seriously though, I think the criticism is valid in this case.

What drove the development cost of large games? Extremely detailed textures, object density and variety, pushing for high quality direction for cutscenes and dialogues, advanced visual effects. Think of it what you want, if that's needed or not, but that's driving the dev costs in most cases.

Nintendo games have low quality textures, low object density, pretty basic direction, not "cinematic" (which can be a good thing!), rather simple from a visual perspective.

Why would they even charge the same as the other platforms? Their first party games are significantly cheaper to make, their budgets are way lower. Meaning less work goes into them, Nintendo is great at being really efficient with their developments. Now they go ahead and demand higher prices than the other platforms?

And people just accept that, even defend it? Doesn't make any sense to me. They have game budgets from two generations ago but will charge more than current gen titles on the other platforms.

Oh, and games on other platforms get heavy discounts at some point, while Nintendo is really stingy with rare discounts even years after the releases. So, higher prices and less sales than the competition.

 

[Stopped_Cold_29]

"Things getting worse is actually a good thing!"

Seriously though, I think the criticism is valid in this case.

What drove the development cost of large games? Extremely detailed textures, object density and variety, pushing for high quality direction for cutscenes and dialogues, advanced visual effects. Think of it what you want, if that's needed or not, but that's driving the dev costs in most cases.

Nintendo games have low quality textures, low object density, pretty basic direction, not "cinematic" (which can be a good thing!), rather simple from a visual perspective.

Why would they even charge the same as the other platforms? Their first party games are significantly cheaper to make, their budgets are way lower. Meaning less work goes into them, Nintendo is great at being really efficient with their developments. Now they go ahead and demand higher prices than the other platforms?

And people just accept that, even defend it? Doesn't make any sense to me. They have game budgets from two generations ago but will charge more than current gen titles on the other platforms.

Oh, and games on other platforms get heavy discounts at some point, while Nintendo is really stingy with rare discounts even years after the releases. So, higher prices and less sales than the competition.

How they make their money isn't relevant at all to me. I care about what I pay. Ami happy prices are going up? No. Am I surprised? Of course not. The price on everything has gone up. I don't expect people to be happy about it. The degree to which some people are whining is ridiculous. It's $10 a game. The price didn't double. But if that $10 is make or break for you, you'll have to make sacrifices. That's they way of the world. Whining and complaining isn't going to change it.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I don't really have a horse in this race.

But I am not sure what the value proposition is here, when most people already have machines at home that can easily output what the Switch2 can do, and most already have those 3rd party games that are being shown here. And that for cheap.

Games on Nintendo platforms rarely get price reductions, and coupled with now higher costs, it's a bit of a premium console instead of the thing you buy for your kids.

 

[Dacon]

How they make their money isn't relevant at all to me. I care about what I pay. Ami happy prices are going up? No. Am I surprised? Of course not. The price on everything has gone up. I don't expect people to be happy about it. The degree to which some people are whining is ridiculous. It's $10 a game. The price didn't double. But if that $10 is make or break for you, you'll have to make sacrifices. That's they way of the world. Whining and complaining isn't going to change it.

It changed Xbox's plans for the Xbox One after it was revealed. Just sitting back and taking it certainly won't change anything.

"Things getting worse is actually a good thing!"

Seriously though, I think the criticism is valid in this case.

What drove the development cost of large games? Extremely detailed textures, object density and variety, pushing for high quality direction for cutscenes and dialogues, advanced visual effects. Think of it what you want, if that's needed or not, but that's driving the dev costs in most cases.

Nintendo games have low quality textures, low object density, pretty basic direction, not "cinematic" (which can be a good thing!), rather simple from a visual perspective.

Why would they even charge the same as the other platforms? Their first party games are significantly cheaper to make, their budgets are way lower. Meaning less work goes into them, Nintendo is great at being really efficient with their developments. Now they go ahead and demand higher prices than the other platforms?

And people just accept that, even defend it? Doesn't make any sense to me. They have game budgets from two generations ago but will charge more than current gen titles on the other platforms.

Oh, and games on other platforms get heavy discounts at some point, while Nintendo is really stingy with rare discounts even years after the releases. So, higher prices and less sales than the competition.

The consequences of Nintendo charging 80 dollars for their games is going to affect the whole industry. Heh, remember when people insisted that going digital would make things less expensive? PFF.

 

[regawdless]

How they make their money isn't relevant at all to me. I care about what I pay. Ami happy prices are going up? No. Am I surprised? Of course not. The price on everything has gone up. I don't expect people to be happy about it. The degree to which some people are whining is ridiculous. It's $10 a game. The price didn't double. But if that $10 is make or break for you, you'll have to make sacrifices. That's they way of the world. Whining and complaining isn't going to change it.

For me, it's not 10 bucks because I find 69,99 overpriced already because games are pretty much consumables. I play them and move on. I rarely pay more than like 45 bucks for any game, seeing 80 or 90 for a low to mid budget Nintendo game with visuals from twelve years ago leaves me just scratching my head.

From a product strategy perspective, a bold move imo. I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan out there so I don't care that much, but am interested how that one will.play out.

 

[Stopped_Cold_29]

For me, it's not 10 bucks because I find 69,99 overpriced already because games are pretty much consumables. I play them and move on. I rarely pay more than like 45 bucks for any game, seeing 80 or 90 for a low to mid budget Nintendo game with visuals from twelve years ago leaves me just scratching my head.

From a product strategy perspective, a bold move imo. I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan out there so I don't care that much, but am interested how that one will.play out.

that's fair. I don't play nearly as many games as an adult. I'll get a switch 2 for my son, but he doesn't play a ton of different game either, so this price impact is pretty minimal for me. Maybe $50 a year difference. So while I'm not excited to pay more, I also don't think it's worth getting worked up over.

 

[Stilton Disco]

Sony games will go on sale. That 80 dollar Nintendo price is forever. Jokes have been made in this thread that 1,2 Switch is still 50 bucks.

Also, flat screen TVs used to cost thousands and DVD players were 600 bucks back in the day. The games cost a chunk because of the manufacturing and chips. We're expected to pay for the cost of making the game now when it's mostly digital and most studios are bloated with useless positions. We shouldn't be punished because these companies made MILLIONS, built huge studios, hired useless land whales and now pass it on to us.

Nintendo charging these prices for games that will never go on sale is lame, especially for a company that nickles and dimes their fans every chance they get. But it's a good game! So is this what we have to expect now? If a game gets a 90 on meta critic, will they bump the price up to 80 bucks? Nintendo is no better than EA or 2K with their predatory bullshit.

Physical copies get discounted like any other game, or can be picked up cheap second hand, and digital copies regularly have 30%+ discounts on the eshop, and with the Switch various deals like the gold coins and vouchers that also lower the price that I'm sure will see some sort of replacement on Switch 2.

Sure, they don't end up getting massive discounts after a few years like Playstation and Xbox 'exclusives', but to say they never go on sale is either plain ignorance or malicious misrepresentation.

Please be excited

One has a specific art style that will look good forever, so just needs a resolution and frame rate bump, the other is aiming for photorealism and will always have to chase adding more and more detail to stay looking 'good'.

Even the Horizon remaster is out of date and looking worse in comparison to the best games of today, and that original version was vaunted as one of the most graphically beautiful games of all time at release, while now is being shown in comparison shots as 'ugly'.

Photorealism is a mugs game.

 

[regawdless]

Physical copies get discounted like any other game, or can be picked up cheap second hand, and digital copies regularly have 30%+ discounts on the eshop, and with the Switch various deals like the gold coins and vouchers that also lower the price that I'm sure will see some sort of replacement on Switch 2.

Sure, they don't end up getting massive discounts after a few years like Playstation and Xbox 'exclusives', but to say they never go on sale is either plain ignorance or malicious misrepresentation.


One has a specific art style that will look good forever, so just needs a resolution and frame rate bump, the other is aiming for photorealism and will always have to chase adding more and more detail to stay looking 'good'.

Even the Horizon remaster is out of date and looking worse in comparison to the best games of today, and that original version was vaunted as one of the most graphically beautiful games of all time at release, while now is being shown in comparison shots as 'ugly'.

Photorealism is a mugs game.

The remaster is pretty recent and looks incredible tbh. And it's not photo realistic, it has a very stylized look that is not going for realism. The first Horizon on a PS4 Pro looks still good, dunno what you're smoking. Zelda looks barren with low asset density and very simplistic visuals, it did look weak on release and still looks weak.

Weaktendo apologist! You can't win against my grift bro.

 

[Polden]

It's supply and demand. PlayStation and Xbox have been sucking hard since 8th gen. People are begging for fun quality games. Nintendo can easily get away with a $10 increase on software so they did it. I'm not defending or criticizing Nintendo. The market will decide if their products are worth the price.

Personally, I've always found it odd that the gaming community gets excited about sales or price increases. Gaming is not a cheap hobby and if that price difference is impactful to someone then they shouldn't be in it.

 

[Stilton Disco]

The remaster is pretty recent and looks incredible tbh. And it's not photo realistic, it has a very stylized look that is not going for realism. The first Horizon on a PS4 Pro looks still good, dunno what you're smoking. Zelda looks barren with low asset density and very simplistic visuals, it did look weak on release and still looks weak.

Weaktendo apologist! You can't win against my grift bro.

Just because the characters are unrealistically fat and ugly doesn't mean they're not shooting for photorealism.

The machine designs I will grant you do actually have a good artistic stylisation to them that isn't shooting for pure realism, but the environments and human characters absolutely are, often to a horrifying uncanny valley degree.

But yeah, I am being far too nice to Nintendo. To be clear, every criticism I've not responded to so far, I agree with, and think they're right bastards broadly, I just don't have any points to add on the downsides that hasn't already been said.

 

[regawdless]

Just because the characters are unrealistically fat and ugly doesn't mean they're not shooting for photorealism.

The machine designs I will grant you do actually have a good artistic stylisation to them that isn't shooting for pure realism, but the environments and human characters absolutely are, often to a horrifying uncanny valley degree.

But yeah, I am being far too nice to Nintendo. To be clear, every criticism I've not responded to so far, I agree with, and think they're right bastards broadly, I just don't have any points to add on the downsides that hasn't already been said.

Btw. I just started playing Forbidden West and OH BOI did I underestimate the level of uglification that Aloy suffered. I'll share screenshots later tonight. The camera perspectives, the chubby chin face, the horrifying facial animations just like you said. To say it with Trump's words: it's really quite something.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Btw. I just started playing Forbidden West and OH BOI did I underestimate the level of uglification that Aloy suffered. I'll share screenshots later tonight. The camera perspectives, the chubby chin face, the horrifying facial animations just like you said. To say it with Trump's words: it's really quite something.

"See the fat, ugly woman in town for an important quest!"

Everyone in that game is fucking ugly, from Aloy to the cuck dudes who look like they have horrible psoriasis. That game fucking sucked; why are sidling up to eat at a buffet you know is gonna make you sick? There's so much out there to play, brother — don't do this to yourself.

 

[regawdless]

"See the fat, ugly woman in town for an important quest!"

Everyone in that game is fucking ugly, from Aloy to the cuck dudes who look like they have horrible psoriasis. That game fucking sucked; why are sidling up to eat at a buffet you know is gonna make you sick? There's so much out there to play, brother — don't do this to yourself.

I don't plan on playing it much, bought a key and didn't give Sony my money for that. Will mod out her uglo face, there's also a mod to make her talk less called "Shut up Aloy!". I just want to throw it at my new GPU, run around, see how good it looks and how well it runs, doing some stuff and drop it.

 

[Franky Family]

The chud wars are heating up. Dare I remain on the sidelines, with each passing comment, as many warriors are slain? That's a question I must ponder as the whirl of chaos and time consumes all…

 

[Optimus]

So....first you say it's only a $10 increase but then reference that Switch games were $60. That's a $20 increase with the rare exception of ToTK but shouldn't you be comparing Mario Kart to Mario Kart?

TotK was the most expensive game they had ever made. Now Mario Kart World has eclipsed that cost by a sizeable margin. This was their explanation all along for the price increase.

It's very possible that 3D Mario won't cost as much. It's also possible that it will.

But the backlash has been that games will cost $80 digital and $90 physical. Standard. And that appears to be false.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Good point..

If games are usually around 70 bucks with a few more expensive exceptions, I guess people would be more okay with it.

 

[regawdless]

This "event" was proof of Nintendo not deserving any of the success.

Where's my StarFox game, 120fps with HDR, particle effects, snappy controls, endless replayability and weird ass boss designs?

Where's Wave Race? Now with physically correct rendered water, weight physics, great soundtrack and incredible tracks with the vibe of the first game?

Failtendo keeps failing. And you guys are just sucking it up.

Seriously though, I'd buy that overpriced cheap Asian shit two gen behind retarded console for a StarFox 64 like game and a good modern Wave Race.

 

[HeresJohnny]

This "event" was proof of Nintendo not deserving any of the success.

Where's my StarFox game, 120fps with HDR, particle effects, snappy controls, endless replayability and weird ass boss designs?

Where's Wave Race? Now with physically correct rendered water, weight physics, great soundtrack and incredible tracks with the vibe of the first game?

Failtendo keeps failing. And you guys are just sucking it up.

Seriously though, I'd buy that overpriced cheap Asian shit two gen behind retarded console for a StarFox 64 like game and a good modern Wave Race.

Stop grifting!

 

[Saruhashi]

The price whining is getting absurd. Games have been $60 for like 2 decades. Anyone who expected them to stay there forever isn't paying attention to everything else in their life getting more expensive. If you buy 10-20 games a year, you're looking at between $100-400 more a year. Or you can buy 2-4 fewer games that will largely make up the difference.

Many of the biggest and most popular games today are free to play titles that rake in billions of dollars in revenue on an annual basis.

A Fortnite player who subscribes to Fortnite Crew or whatever it's called pays $120 per year to play that game.
People playing the rebranded FIFA are the same paying for extra stuff all year.
Almost every AAA game comes with a digital deluxe golden ultimate FOMO edition that is more than the base game.
That's before we get to the 9.99 asking price for character skins and whatnot that some devs choose to go with.

If we are comparing consoles then what kind of budget would I be looking at for a handheld that matches a PS5 Pro for performance? Not with some bullshit caveat but just a handheld that can perform as well as a PS5 Pro out of the box. When people say the Switch tech is behind or outdated compared to Sony there's always a bit of a lie in there.

Looks like the top of the line Steam Deck is $730 but it's not going to play the Nintendo exclusive games so there you go. Would a $730 Steam Deck have better performance than a $700 PS5 Pro?

So with the same budget I might have for a Steam Deck or PS5 Pro at $700 I can buy a Switch 2 bundled with MK World at $500 and two $80 Switch exclusive games on top of that and then have $40 left over for a few beers and a pizza.

If the games are good then that seems like a decent option?

 

[regawdless]

Stop grifting!

 

[Saruhashi]

Everything about the Switch 2 is being compared to Switch 1, the hardware, the games and the prices. I mean if we want to start comparing Switch 2 to other devices, I don't think it would compare favorably to the PS5/Series X or the Steam Deck but that's not really what we are talking about. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to Mario Kart World is a $20 price hike.

OK. So let's compare.
PS5 Pro is $700.
I can play my already owned games on it so thats nice.

Switch 2 with MK World bundle is $500.
DK Bananza is $80.
Metroid Prime 4 let's say $80 too. (My preference might actually be the new Hyrule Warriors)
With my $40 left over maybe I'll pay $20 for the online for my cloud saves and MK multiplayer.
Then with my final $20 I'll upgrade BOTW and maybe have a replay on Hero Mode and see what that Zelda app is all about.

So with my $700 I could have a brand new PS5 Pro with no games but I can replay all of my already played games with better performance or graphics. The most powerful game console of all time. No exclusive games though to really get me hyped for my new $700 console.

Backlog not really relevant since spending money on games you don't even play is far, FAR, stupider than spending $80 on a game that you will actually play.

With the same $700 I can get a shiny brand new Nintendo Switch 2, three brand new exclusive games, my online pass and an upgrade on a previously played game and of course all my Switch 1 games are there to be played if I am bothered to replay them.

As someone who does actually play games (you cunts ) I find that Nintendo is ultimately offering me better value for money.

 

[cryptoadam]

So....first you say it's only a $10 increase but then reference that Switch games were $60. That's a $20 increase with the rare exception of ToTK but shouldn't you be comparing Mario Kart to Mario Kart?

Its a 20$ increase for Kart but 10$ for DK and 0$ for Street fighter. So it depends on the game and publisher.
Its not 90$ games across the board like some people are freaking out.
And Nintendo has always been greedy. They charged 149.99 for an alarm clock in the year of our lord 2024. There charging 50$ for what looks like a 240p 10fps Webcam.
Just this pricing backlash is a bit overblown. It's 10 or 20$ on select titles. If you don't see the value just don't buy it. Buy street fighter at 59.99 instead of Mario Kart at 80$.
Personally I haven't bought a game since battlefield 2042. I do sub to PSNow so I just play what's on there. Been playing rivals as well.

 

[Spiders]

OK. So let's compare.
PS5 Pro is $700.
I can play my already owned games on it so thats nice.

Switch 2 with MK World bundle is $500.
DK Bananza is $80.
Metroid Prime 4 let's say $80 too. (My preference might actually be the new Hyrule Warriors)
With my $40 left over maybe I'll pay $20 for the online for my cloud saves and MK multiplayer.
Then with my final $20 I'll upgrade BOTW and maybe have a replay on Hero Mode and see what that Zelda app is all about.

So with my $700 I could have a brand new PS5 Pro with no games but I can replay all of my already played games with better performance or graphics. The most powerful game console of all time. No exclusive games though to really get me hyped for my new $700 console.

Backlog not really relevant since spending money on games you don't even play is far, FAR, stupider than spending $80 on a game that you will actually play.

With the same $700 I can get a shiny brand new Nintendo Switch 2, three brand new exclusive games, my online pass and an upgrade on a previously played game and of course all my Switch 1 games are there to be played if I am bothered to replay them.

As someone who does actually play games (you cunts ) I find that Nintendo is ultimately offering me better value for money.

I think like there's "girl math", there's gamer math.

This makes perfect sense to me. It's like you literally made $40.