[Hardensoul]

It's further muddled if you dismiss people over it. Let's face it, Nintendo PURPOSELY didn't list prices on the Direct because they knew it would sink the entire show. Nintendo did the muddling here.

My guy, I didn't dismiss anything. I've been ranting about the high prices. But I will rail against spreading misinformation. That misinformation has muddled the outrage.

I have watch many streams and reactions last night and today still parroting the $90 bullshit!

 

[HeresJohnny]

Some games are 80, some aren't. Quick and easy Best Buy search:

(GameStop shows the same prices)

I'm fine if people don't wanna pay 80. I'm fine if people don't wanna pay 70. I gotta admit, 70 for a Nintendo game is new to me.

But we gotta admit, "90 dollars for donkey Kong Bananza?!?" was a hasty overreaction.

See, I think people are being a little unfair with Nintendo here. Why was it okay when Sony did it and now that Nintendo does it's somehow out of line?

I remember waaaaay back in the SNES day, FFIII cost like $80 and this was in the 90s and it freaked people out. Also, remember the Neo Geo? Those games were the size of VHS tapes and cost $200 each. I wanted that system so damn bad back in 1991. I was working at a Software Etc and spent hours trying to figure out how I was going to save $700 up for the system and another $1000 for the games I wanted.

 

[Franky Family]

Oh it's not just about what people think games are worth because it affects everyone when the industry follows. Nintendo has set a new high price and it will become the norm. So really, the discussion isn't about if you or anyone else thinks it's 'WORTH IT'. It's about the impact it's going to have on the entire industry and yes, PC gamers will also be affected.

The only ones who will be receiving that price paid regularly, will be Nintendo

Nintendo = Mario Kart World for $80 = Everyone buys it for ten years straight
Sony = Astro Bot for $80 = Some buy it for a month, 15 min of fame is over, back to the bargain bin
Xbox = just lol
PC = all games have tremendous deals often

 

[Hardensoul]

See, I think people are being a little unfair with Nintendo here. Why was it okay when Sony did it and now that Nintendo does it's somehow out of line?

I remember waaaaay back in the SNES day, FFIII cost like $80 and this was in the 90s and it freaked people out. Also, remember the Neo Geo? Those games were the size of VHS tapes and cost $200 each. I wanted that system so damn bad back in 1991. I was working at a Software Etc and spent hours trying to figure out how I was going to save $700 up for the system and another $1000 for the games I wanted.

Same, I was huge fighting arcade gamer in the 90s. So many quarters in those arcade slots.

I wanted NeoGeo sad bad. But couldn't afford it. Was so happy SF came to SNES even tho inferior port, it satiated my appetite. Then Fatal Fury and Samurai Shodown.

After that I didn't even thought about owning NeoGeo!

 

[HeresJohnny]

Same, I was huge fighting arcade gamer in the 90s. So many quarters in those arcade slots.

I wanted NeoGeo sad bad. But couldn't afford it. Was so happy SF came to SNES even tho inferior port, it satiated my appetite. Then Fatal Fury and Samurai Shodown.

After that I didn't even thought about owning NeoGeo!

I actually mooched out and bought the Neo Geo Gold X handheld/console a few years back. It's got a ton of games and you can add more to it, it's pretty awesome. No Super Spy though!

 

[Saruhashi]

Oh it's not just about what people think games are worth because it affects everyone when the industry follows. Nintendo has set a new high price and it will become the norm. So really, the discussion isn't about if you or anyone else thinks it's 'WORTH IT'. It's about the impact it's going to have on the entire industry and yes, PC gamers will also be affected.

There's no "impact".
If people are willing to pay the cost then they will pay.
If not then the game crashes and burns or, more likely, goes on sale.

Nintendo decides what they think their game is worth and then asks you to pay it. If that's $80 for Mario Kart then it is what it is.

Doesnt mean Microsoft is going to get away with asking for $80 or $90 or whatever for Avowed or South of Midnight.

No offence but you seem to always be looking for a way to cry about prices and then go off on people who are like "the price is high but not a big deal to me".

If Mario Kart World flops then maybe we'll see a nice discount in the end. If people are willing to pay $80 then it won't.

You can't influence that so there's no point wailing about it just wait and see what happens.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

See, I think people are being a little unfair with Nintendo here. Why was it okay when Sony did it and now that Nintendo does it's somehow out of line?

I remember waaaaay back in the SNES day, FFIII cost like $80 and this was in the 90s and it freaked people out. Also, remember the Neo Geo? Those games were the size of VHS tapes and cost $200 each. I wanted that system so damn bad back in 1991. I was working at a Software Etc and spent hours trying to figure out how I was going to save $700 up for the system and another $1000 for the games I wanted.

I wanna see how Nintendo supports these games. I'll have a few months between launch and Christmas to watch.

If Nintendo soft-supports MK World with non-paid updates and small feature additions, I'll consider the price justified. Same goes for games like DK Bananza and DxM Titanic Scion: if these games get regular modern non-DLC updates over their lifespan, it's gonna make the cost easier to stomach. I'm fine with big DLC expansions too, but I'm curious if Nintendo plans to support their games kinda like they did with Splatoon.

For disposable one-off games? Even 50 is a high asking price IMO, so consumers will have to judge accordingly. Rise of Rome and Order 1886 were full price….

 

[Optimus]

People are barely getting by, everything is about price and not just for video games. Nintendo is brave to pull this but it's not really out of character for them. Nintendo is known for never doing price drops on either hardware or software. If people are hoping for a price drop like they did when they screwed up the 3DS price, things will have to get really bad for that to happen IMO.

But the games are literally not $80. Maybe the most expensive ones will be $80 for the cartridge. They will still be the same old price digital. What do you want to bet that the $100 for 2 vouchers deal will still net you 2 $70 digital games?

The carts are going to be more pricey. It's just facts.

 

[Zog]

My guy, I didn't dismiss anything. I've been ranting about the high prices. But I will rail against spreading misinformation. That misinformation has muddled the outrage.

I have watch many streams and reactions last night and today still parroting the $90 bullshit!

...and yet that's all because Nintendo purposely didn't reveal prices. You know what else the idiot with camera's keep saying? That the performance upgrades are 'free' for some games. They aren't free if they require an NSO subscription.

 

[Zog]

But the games are literally not $80. Maybe the most expensive ones will be $80 for the cartridge. They will still be the same old price digital. What do you want to bet that the $100 for 2 vouchers deal will still net you 2 $70 digital games?

The carts are going to be more pricey. It's just facts.

I think they ended that voucher thing along with the gold points thing.

 

[Saruhashi]

I wanna see how Nintendo supports these games. I'll have a few months between launch and Christmas to watch.

If Nintendo soft-supports MK World with non-paid updates and small feature additions, I'll consider the price justified. Same goes for games like DK Bananza and DxM Titanic Scion: if these games get regular modern non-DLC updates over their lifespan, it's gonna make the cost easier to stomach. I'm fine with big DLC expansions too, but I'm curious if Nintendo plans to support their games kinda like they did with Splatoon.

For disposable one-off games? Even 50 is a high asking price IMO, so consumers will have to judge accordingly. Rise of Rome and Order 1886 were full price….

It's really interesting because I feel like the market almost demands DLC now and I personally think a lot of gamers have no issue buying games and content that they don't even play.

When I see talk of backlogs I think these are people who enjoy buying games and not playing them so why wouldn't they want paid DLC and battle passes and character skins? It's just buying shit for the sake of the purchase.

I've said already that the backlash on here to people making fun of Avowed and Veilguard and Shadows seemed to come from a place of people not wanting to be told their long awaited game purchase was a waste of money. They want that purchase validated and certified even if they won't finish the game. Buy game, feel good, read about how good game is to validate feelings then into the backlog it goes!

In 2022 Fortnite made 4.8 billion USD in revenue. That's a free to play game.

I think Fortnite and games like it has been a mind fuck for the entire industry.

Think about the prospect of suggesting that in 2000. So we're going to develop this game and give it away for free but we are going to sell shitty costumes and dances and shit and with those we'll make 4.8 billion EACH YEAR.

It's absolutely insane.

I think "hey if this game is 80 bucks then I want a little bit of extra bang for my buck" is a perfectly normal way for us older more traditional gamers to look at things.

The next generation is like "give me V bucks for my birthday cos I want a 20 dollar Spider-Man costume to wear in the videogame and I want to by a few dances for Spider-Man to do before I immediately get eliminated because I am not good at the game even after five years."

Mario Kart World is the same value as two map packs, two resource packs and three character skins in AC Shadows.

 

[Epic Nemesis]

Oh it's not just about what people think games are worth because it affects everyone when the industry follows. Nintendo has set a new high price and it will become the norm. So really, the discussion isn't about if you or anyone else thinks it's 'WORTH IT'. It's about the impact it's going to have on the entire industry and yes, PC gamers will also be affected.

Sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.

Aren't games already 70 dollars this gen? So now the ceiling for games at this point is 70 for digital, 80 because carts have a higher manufacturing cost than disks.

I too wish games were cheaper. I also wish everything was cheaper. Every time I go to a restaurant I have sticker shock these days, I'm still in the 2019 mindset in terms of what shit costs.

 

[TaySan]

If Nintendo feels their games are worth $70-80 then so be it. The market will decide if their games are worth it at that price. No one is entitled to luxury entertainment

 

[Saruhashi]

Sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.

Aren't games already 70 dollars this gen? So now the ceiling for games at this point is 70 for digital, 80 because carts have a higher manufacturing cost than disks.

I too wish games were cheaper. I also wish everything was cheaper. Every time I go to a restaurant I have sticker shock these days, I'm still in the 2019 mindset in terms of what shit costs.

If we are just talking about the industry in general then 8 months of "Fortnite Crew" is about the same as the cost of MK World.

So you can get a monthly batch of costumes and emotes for your in-game avatar for 8 months at the same cost of a fully polished fully featured game from one of the best developers in the business.

Nintendo charging 80 bucks for their flagship game on their new console is the least of the video-game industry worries.

Concord and Sucide Squad trying to follow Fortnite etc is a far bigger issue than GTA VI trying to follow MK World.

 

[Zog]

If Nintendo feels their games are worth $70-80 then so be it. The market will decide if their games are worth it at that price. No one is entitled to luxury entertainment

Entitled to? Is that a conversation you really want to have? Are people entitled to food? At what price do you say 'No one is entitled to food'? The point here is that this is a stupid thing to say since in reality, no one is ENTITLED to anything.

 

[kreen101]

commie gobbledygook.

I understood that reference.

 

[Spiders]

Same, I was huge fighting arcade gamer in the 90s. So many quarters in those arcade slots.

I wanted NeoGeo sad bad. But couldn't afford it. Was so happy SF came to SNES even tho inferior port, it satiated my appetite. Then Fatal Fury and Samurai Shodown.

After that I didn't even thought about owning NeoGeo!

Same, but now I have a MiSTer with a 99.9% perfect NEO•GEO core plugged into a CRT and Seimitsu arcade stick and feel like King Shit. Don't let your dreams die!

 

[TaySan]

Entitled to? Is that a conversation you really want to have? Are people entitled to food? At what price do you say 'No one is entitled to food'? The point here is that this is a stupid thing to say since in reality, no one is ENTITLED to anything.

Food is a necessity to live. Video games are not. Even then I can't just walk into a restaurant and demand lower prices. I will either take my businesses elsewhere or go to a food bank

 

[Zeta Dragoon]

Food is a necessity to live. Video games are not. Even then I can't just walk into a restaurant and demand lower prices. I will either take my businesses elsewhere or go to a food bank

That's a very good point.

 

[Zog]

Food is a necessity to live. Video games are not. Even then I can't just walk into a restaurant and demand lower prices. I will either take my businesses elsewhere or go to a food bank

So you see my point. No one is entitled to anything and therefore the comment about being entitled to video games means absolutely nothing.

 

[Hardensoul]

...and yet that's all because Nintendo purposely didn't reveal prices. You know what else the idiot with camera's keep saying? That the performance upgrades are 'free' for some games. They aren't free if they require an NSO subscription.

Switch 2 presentation didn't show the price of console and games just like the first Switch Direct in 2017. Both situation direct consumers to their site to reveal later.

Not all regions will have same price due to different currencies and conversions.

 

[Stouffers]

RAISE THE PRICE

I fuckikg would if I were Nintendo. Fuck these ungrateful fucks.

 

[Zog]

So the more I watch videos about fans reactions to the treehouse event makes me think. What if Nintendo fans once again forced a price correction like the 3DS? Gonna get interesting, God knows you can't depend on GTA fans to put on the brakes.

 

[Stouffers]

Some games are 80, some aren't. Quick and easy Best Buy search:

(GameStop shows the same prices)

I'm fine if people don't wanna pay 80. I'm fine if people don't wanna pay 70. I gotta admit, 70 for a Nintendo game is new to me.

But we gotta admit, "90 dollars for donkey Kong Bananza?!?" was a hasty overreaction.

Games were $70 back in the 80s.

 

[Hardensoul]

So the more I watch videos about fans reactions to the treehouse event makes me think. What if Nintendo fans once again forced a price correction like the 3DS? Gonna get interesting, God knows you can't depend on GTA fans to put on the brakes.

Switch 2 will sell. Games I can see not selling as much, I hope it doesn't. Hopefully the $70 and $80 dollar games won't become the norm.

Even tho it happened with 3DS, but most of the times gamers just keep paying. From DLC, subscriptions to micro transactions and paid to play online.

 

[Spiders]

First world problems. People crying over the price of entertainment is laughable, especially when the products put out are premium and last several years. I was playing The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom for literally 14 months almost straight (if Pikmin 4 didn't release) and the game was $70, worth every cent too even if it wasn't my favorite Zelda game. To jump $10 if the quality is there, is not such a big deal. Nintendo is going to eat the cost if they don't deliver on their games anyway. People are just complaining out of their own greed, and ironically, they want to blame Nintendo for being greedy lol. You aren't owed a certain price as a customer

-Prices jump $10 per game
-Now I can't buy 200 premium games guise I can only afford 140 games now guise
-Justin Timberlake performing "Cry Me A River" live at the gaymer dome

This. End of the day, it's the same argument as any other value argument. I've spent $80 importing a game I already have for free on FBNeo. I've spent 150+ hours on a game that cost me $3, and less than 2 hours on games that cost me $60, and I think every F2P game is still too expensive.

In a way it's the only argument worth having about games, but there's a point where it gets disingenuous to put it on the company.

People are just complaining out of their own greed, and ironically, they want to blame Nintendo for being greedy lol.

Very well said.

 

[chainsaw]

I mean, a fast food lunch for the family's like $30. Three tickets to the movies (matinee) and snacks there probably run me $50-60. A single day pass for one person at Disney's like $100 easy. Makes an $80 game that I play for a 100+ hours seem pretty good value.

 

[Zog]

Games were $70 back in the 80s.

According to the inflation calculator (which only goes up to 2024) $1 in 1985 is $2.92 today. So, that would put a $70 game at about $204. So unless you are willing to pay $204 for games today, what's the point of bringing this up?

 

[Stouffers]

According to the inflation calculator (which only goes up to 2024) $1 in 1985 is $2.92 today. So, that would put a $70 game at about $204. So unless you are willing to pay $204 for games today, what's the point of bringing this up?

He literally said he never saw a Nintendo game go for $70. I pointed out Nintendo games used to go for $70… Sometimes higher.

There's your point. Learn to read.

Also, this hullabaloo over the pricing is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Zog]

Switch 2 will sell. Games I can see not selling as much, I hope it doesn't. Hopefully the $70 and $80 dollar games won't become the norm.

Even tho it happened with 3DS, but most of the times gamers just keep paying. From DLC, subscriptions to micro transactions and paid to play online.

Yeah, you can see it here. People are making up 'reasons' for why $80 is fine. Oh but McDonald's is expensive too so it's ok. Oh but games in the 80's were expensive so it's ok. Oh but it's a luxury item so it's ok. Oh but people who don't want to pay $80 are just being greedy (yeah someone said this).

So it goes...

 

[Zog]

He literally said he never saw a Nintendo game go for $70. I pointed out Nintendo games used to go for $70… Sometimes higher.

There's your point. Learn to read.

Also, this hullabaloo over the pricing is fucking ridiculous.

They went for whatever the retailer charged for them, Wal Mart was to place to shop but idiots who shopped at specialty stores paid more. What we really need to see are the MSRP's, not what fuckin' Toys r Us charged after their markup.

 

[Epic Nemesis]

Also, I've sat out on the PS5 and have game pass, but aren't all games 70 bucks these days? So this outrage is the $10 surcharge on the cartridge?

 

[Zeta Dragoon]

Also, I've sat out on the PS5 and have game pass, but aren't all games 70 bucks these days? So this outrage is the $10 surcharge on the cartridge?

Locking Wind Waker, a single player game alongside much of the Gamecube lineup onto a online subscription is honestly the bigger issue for me.

 

[Zog]

Also, I've sat out on the PS5 and have game pass, but aren't all games 70 bucks these days? So this outrage is the $10 surcharge on the cartridge?

The digital version is also $80.

Anyway, if you are ok with a $10 price hike so soon after the previous $10 price hike, you'll be cool with the next $10 price hike in 5 years?

 

[JORMBO]

Everything is more expensive now. Everything. I am let down that games are going up in price too, but it's hard to get mad about games specifically when literally anything I buy costs more.

I think a lot of people are taking this hard because it's "good guy Nintendo" doing it. Everyone is now realizing Nintendo is a corporation out to make as much money as possible and not their personal friends.

And here's a Zelda gif

 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Also, this hullabaloo over the pricing is fucking ridiculous.

On one hand, true. On the other hand it's because games are the single most weirdly inflation-resistant product for decades now. Which honestly is probably why the whole monetization thing has gotten so bad nowadays.

 

[Optimus]

I just heard something from someone who tends to know things.

It's only Mario Kart World that is $80.

Literally everything else, for now, will be $70. Carts included. For USA. No upcharge for physical.

 

[cryptoadam]

Games were $70 back in the 80s.

Video games might be the only thing that has been resistant to inflation and got cheaper.
They should actually be 150$ now if you adjust snes and N64 prices for inflation.
Everything goes up but games should be immune.

 

[Zog]

I just heard something from someone who tends to know things.

It's only Mario Kart World that is $80.

Literally everything else, for now, will be $70. Carts included. For USA. No upcharge for physical.

3D Mario will be $80, new Zelda will be $80.

 

[Stouffers]

Everything goes up but games should be immune.

Why?