Thread: Whats the latest and greatest balls to the wall PC hardware showcase game?
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DonDonDonPata
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Sorry for the multiquote reply, dudes.
Heck, I'm fine upgrading each generation with iterative improvements. I don't need every system to be the next Wii or DS. I think the problem is that each console company is trying too hard to be all-in-one (with the exception of Nintendo) but the market would be healthier and more interesting if each console really had its own vision. At this point the gaming market is firmly in the grip of third-party publishers, who have despised the nature of multiplatform gaming since the early 90s.
Yep, bought a Steam Deck which doubles as a basic home desktop. I play it hooked up to a monitor plus m&kb more than I play it handheld but I like that it can do both.
I didn't get into Playstation until early PSP/PS3 generation. They're a solid mass market console maker. I can always get a good selection of indie and AAA games. The majority of the noteworthy stuff coming out nowadays comes out on Playstation, if not Day One then a year or two later. Playstation often has the best (or only) version of certain weeb games I wanna play, even in 2024.
I've always been a multiplatform gamer. Even when I was only playing 1 or 2 platforms (like when I was a kid... PC plus Game Boy) I never hoped to one day play all my games on a single platform. Each piece of kit has its pros and cons. The console market has much fiercer competition in certain genres compared to PC (and vice versa) so I think it's healthy to have the variety.
I have a massive PS4 catalogue I'm still playing through. I bought a PS5 this same time last year. Great first year, but I did buy it mid-gen with at least a dozen cross-gen titles lined up. If I had already milked the PS4/X1 gen and wanted to buy a current-gen console for current-gen blockbuster games? Nah, I would've skipped current gen. The fact that PSVR2 is a dud was another huge disappointment, I was really hoping they would do a better job of supporting it.
Heck, I'm fine upgrading each generation with iterative improvements. I don't need every system to be the next Wii or DS. I think the problem is that each console company is trying too hard to be all-in-one (with the exception of Nintendo) but the market would be healthier and more interesting if each console really had its own vision. At this point the gaming market is firmly in the grip of third-party publishers, who have despised the nature of multiplatform gaming since the early 90s.
Yep, bought a Steam Deck which doubles as a basic home desktop. I play it hooked up to a monitor plus m&kb more than I play it handheld but I like that it can do both.
I didn't get into Playstation until early PSP/PS3 generation. They're a solid mass market console maker. I can always get a good selection of indie and AAA games. The majority of the noteworthy stuff coming out nowadays comes out on Playstation, if not Day One then a year or two later. Playstation often has the best (or only) version of certain weeb games I wanna play, even in 2024.
I've always been a multiplatform gamer. Even when I was only playing 1 or 2 platforms (like when I was a kid... PC plus Game Boy) I never hoped to one day play all my games on a single platform. Each piece of kit has its pros and cons. The console market has much fiercer competition in certain genres compared to PC (and vice versa) so I think it's healthy to have the variety.
I have a massive PS4 catalogue I'm still playing through. I bought a PS5 this same time last year. Great first year, but I did buy it mid-gen with at least a dozen cross-gen titles lined up. If I had already milked the PS4/X1 gen and wanted to buy a current-gen console for current-gen blockbuster games? Nah, I would've skipped current gen. The fact that PSVR2 is a dud was another huge disappointment, I was really hoping they would do a better job of supporting it.
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Hate to open a can of worms, but once you're in the ecosystem, I really struggle to see any downside to PC gaming whatsoever
A lot has changed since 2012 lol
A lot has changed since 2012 lol
The toughest part of being a PC gamer is finding a continual supply of console gamers to talk down to.
@teezzy If you want a palette cleanser game to switch between with Cyberpunk, you should try KCD if you haven't played it yet. Yeah, it's an older game, but for PC it's like Crysis. The better your PC the better it looks and plays. ESPECIALLY if you have a nice HDR screen.
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Valid and thoughtful suggestion, my friend
Was thinking Tekken would remain my palette cleanser for the time being, although I did also reinstall Mount and Blade 2 once again as well.
Too many games, not enough time
It's actually incredible how cheap you can build your PC if you use your head and don't go for schizophrenic RGB lighting, get over the feeling that you should get the latest RTX 9000 for the 1.5 games that have worthwile RT, including the feeling you should do that every year like an Applehead, don't go for 7000MHz RAM and a zoomer, alienware ass looking case. Keep an eye out on the used market for some bargains, and you can get a PC that doesn't cost you 2 million pounds.
What, not at all. Especially with DLSS or XeSS you can easily achieve pretty damn great results with mid tier cards. A 4070 for around 550 bucks let's you pretty much max out all games at native 1440p or 4k with DLSS and high refresh. And it's very good at ray tracing. It's a total myth you need a 1k card.
Like I said, it's more than enough for 1440p or using DLSS at 4k. You won't have much issues with that card. We're talking about max settings in the most demanding games. The card only struggles at 4k at max settings. And when it starts struggling with max settings at 1440p, simply go down to high for a bit fps boost with a barely noticable visual impact.
What @regawdless said, a 4070 or a 7800XT should be in the $500 price range, acceptable price for 1440p (should be lower in my opinion). 4K is still too expensive to render for a budget build, don't know for sure since the prices here are different than the US, and also, most games that need a GPU that expensive are rubbish. Crutches like DLSS or or otherwise, it doesn't matter. You reminded me of another thing, when getting into PC coming from a console, a better mindset when starting off is looking into what you missed first, than trying to play whatever dumbass UE5 title that runs like shit because optimzations in PC don't exist anymore, this goes back to what I said about knowing what to get and what is utterly worthless when building a PC if you don't want to break the bank.
Chozofication
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I would go with 7800xt for vram and wider memory bus which is beneficial for higher resolution on older games and some new games at 4k.
Anything more expensive than that currently is a rip off.
Not to say something more expensive couldn't be worth it if there was a modern day 1080ti lets say. But every card that's noticeably faster than 7800xt and you're suddenly paying over 1000. We need more competition… come on intel.
So ~500 for gpu and then ~600-700 for everything else and you have a no compromise PC, just have to tweak settings sometimes but you'll barely notice.
DonDonDonPata
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I can understand liking PC gaming. I do too. But if you "really struggle to see any downside to PC gaming" then you haven't experienced the advantages of other platforms, plain and simple. PC has its own flaws, always has.
Out of curiosity, are you a Steam baby, or did you play PC in the 80s/90s too?
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Weve already discussed this. Remember? We bonded over Sanitarium?
Ive owned all the consoles over the years from Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Sega shy of the VirtualBoy, Nomad, and Master System. Even had a Turbografx and Intellivision at one point.
PC is just the best, most versatile, option. Hands down. Idk why you feel the need to condescend in multiple threads when you admittedly have a decade + old recollection of the medium.
"Muh plug and play" isnt a sustainable argument any longer.
Nevertheless, I'll continue to enjoy my lazy Sunday...
Hope you do the same, Don.
Chozofication
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You'd have to be a hammerhead shark to enjoy playing on that monitorWeve already discussed this. Remember? We bonded over Sanitarium?
Ive owned all the consoles over the years from Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Sega shy of the VirtualBoy, Nomad, and Master System. Even had a Turbografx and Intellivision at one point.
PC is just the best, most versatile, option. Hands down. Idk why you feel the need to condescend in multiple threads when you admittedly have a decade + old recollection of the medium.
"Muh plug and play" isnt a sustainable argument any longer.
Nevertheless, I'll continue to enjoy my lazy Sunday...
Hope you do the same, Don.
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I love worms!
A typical PC serves so many masters... Microsoft (for most), Nvidia / AMD, and Steam. For me personally I hate the experience of having to fuss around. I'd say legit the last 3 PC gaming sessions I had, I spent as much time installing, updating, configuring controllers, fiddling with game settings, etc. as I did playing.
I feel like most gamers are holding back the floodgates of Windows 11, dealing with frame stutters and performance issues, and as good as Steam is now, all our eggs are in a digital basket. Remember the effort to get Kabrutus' account cancelled? How long until that door is open?
I think overall you get out what you put into it, so the ceiling is the highest, but IMO the downsides are literally everything in between your desire to play, pressing start, and playing a game.
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Dont tell anyone, but I'm secretly Anna Taylor-Joy.
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Breh, its as simple as installing the game on Steam, setting everything to High/Ultra and turning off motion blur. Takes like five minutes maximum.
I will never understand this setting fiddling argument. Even the controllers are as easy as plugging in a dongle and turning them on - same as console.
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With Sony done gone full retard I am going to build a PC, but I am none fucking too happy about the loss of physical and frankly it's going to keep it from ever becoming a legacy platform for me. Only an idiot would trust these motherfuckers with all of their content. At least Apple Music lets me burn the shit I buy to disc.
Chozofication
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Just to add to this, it's incompatibility issues and poor console ports continue to be a problem, particularly stutter which is even worse that it happens on PC despite having hardware that would otherwise run the game at 240fps.
Physical game ownership, ease of use are a console's strengths.
I must say though you bring up a particularly important point about PC gaming. I found that the more I stop trying to make things just a bit better in ini files and adding hot fixes, the more I enjoy PC gaming. I will still do so if the difference is massive however.
The key here is ignoring the "but you can fix it!" Muppets of the pcmr and don't play anything that isn't solid.
Sure it's nice to be able to improve things on your own but don't let tinkering become the game itself.
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Nah just too busy to do it all at once; been pulling 60 hour weeks for the last three weeks. I've got a case and a power supply and I'm buying a MOBO and memory next month.
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Legit @Spiders @Chozofication
What settings are you guys constantly tinkering with and why? Not even feigning ignorance here
What settings are you guys constantly tinkering with and why? Not even feigning ignorance here
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You bought a pre-built from Costco and played it for two hours
I love my computer lol
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That's not my experience... that sounds lovely! I guess if you're playing console style games on an XBOX controller than it's more straightforward.
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Button mapping non-XBOX controllers mostly. Just checking buttons on PC is a pain in the ass. Control Panel > Devices > Joystick > Right-click > Properties > Advanced > some tiny as Window 98 menu with a '1', '2', '3' convention that NOTHING else is using, then games playing nice with X-Input or D-Input, or Steam's Input layer and allowing those mappings, and everything being forced down to the XBOX convention even if I set things for a Nintendo or Sony namespace.
My video is generally okay, but a lot of Japanese games have the configuration in a seperate exe outside of the game that Steam has you choose everytime, because if you auto-set it one way, good luck going back without editing a textfile somewhere, and god knows when some update behind my back overwrites it.
Getting 98/XP/7 games to run is an adventure, and even older titles on Steam like Deus Ex was a pain in the ass to get right.
Steam also cut support to Windows 7, which honestly is a much better experience but now my rig for that is useless for my Steam library. Just like that.
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I play all kinds of stuff though, mostly m+kb, fightstick, or Series X controller. All my peripherals just work. I dont understand
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Why not just use an Xbox controller and play games on Steam, EGS, or GOG though?
Heck, even OG Deus Ex has and updated version on Steam for modern systems
Idk man, i dont fuss with shit. I dont even mod like Skyrim or Fallout or anything lol
The rare instance where something doesnt work, its like a 99 cent Steam copy of Soul Reaver or something, and I just play the Dreamcast version via ReDream etc
Seems like youre trying to do weird things
Like forcing Windows 7 in 2024? Windows 11 really isnt that bad is it? My gripes couldnt be more minor
Seriously, dude needs to chill with the PC/Steam hate boner.
Consoles do have the convenience and physical games as the advantages, but these last two good things about them are also fading away, with less physical games support and more broken crap coming out (PC is admittedly worse at this)
Fiddling and tweaking has two sides, some people like them for the potential it brings, some people just want to play the games. Wouldn't necessarily consider it a negative and more like neutral/preference thing. Recent games being dogshit ports is its own thing and it is a negative but people who buy them day one deserve every bad experience coming from that in my opinion.
Interesting, I just have this installed: https://github.com/nefarius/ViGEmBus/releases , and Steam Input enabled, and with this all different kinds of controllers work, Switch, Dualshocks and DualSenses, and Xbox all work, with consoles you're mostly limited to the controller thats made for the console, for better or worse.
I hear they're a pain on Windows, not on Steam Deck/Proton though! modding may still be required to get a decent, 2024 presentation. Alot of which you would also have to do to get your PS2 copy of the game to look at least quarter as good on actual hardware.
That's another thing, PC allows for the wonderful concept of emulation, it's in a way an extension of what you loved about the consoles back then, mixed with everything good about PC gaming.
I'd tell you what to install instead on that rig, but I think you already know.
And that leads me to my next part: now being on Linux, I'm experiencing way less needs of fiddling, especially with the older games I play, no fighting Windows Update fucking up my configs and driver version, and no shader stuttering too, yeah that doesn't actually occur on loonix if I understand it right. The majority of games are hit Play and go, unless there's no ultrawide support or the fps is locked to 60 etc, a quick visit to https://www.protondb.com/ or the Steam forums themselves (another Steam win) is all I need, most of the time.
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This too. I sound like a princess -- and fair enough, with my delicate console hands -- but I have no problem writing custom ini files and scripts for MiSTer, or setting up multiple Linux boxes for work and pleasure. The big difference is that they work, and I'm not always in workaround mode.
Windows itself is such a duct tape and wishes job that everything downstream suffers.
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@Pyrate
Since you mentioned ultrawide support, Im assuming youre familiar with Flawless Widescreen?
Its a great way to easily force a game into your ultrawide aspect ratio of choice
Like if that doesnt work, I just play the game in whatever ratio does, or in windowed mode etc
Still it seems like the common thread here is running into errors when trying to do less conventional tasks
Since you mentioned ultrawide support, Im assuming youre familiar with Flawless Widescreen?
Flawless Widescreen - Gaming the way it should be!
www.flawlesswidescreen.org
Its a great way to easily force a game into your ultrawide aspect ratio of choice
Like if that doesnt work, I just play the game in whatever ratio does, or in windowed mode etc
Still it seems like the common thread here is running into errors when trying to do less conventional tasks
I have the .exe downloaded, haven't installed it yet though, from what I remember it can patch multiple games to work in ultrawide yes? Might come in handy, so far more games have native Ultrawide support than I expected, so didn't really need it yet.
It's definitely a mentality thing, some people just do not want a singular deviation from the process of inserting disc to playing game, no fps checking, no setting graphics to ultra, no nothing, and I do get it.
But the benefits one is missing on by sticking to the soon-to-be-digital consoles are considerable, and PC is the answer to that, they just need to adapt.
Chozofication
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For me it's not so much tinkering in settings to get the best performance, that part is actually fun.
I'll give you a few examples. 1. oh I see crysis warhead can run at higher framerates than 60 by tweaking ini files. Then after tweaking the game locks to 24fps. Ok… change the files back. Still 24fps. Reinstall on gog. 60 again. Pointless hours wasted.
Got Spyro the dragon remake on steam. Wtf is wrong with the shadows flickering on high+ settings? Reinstall game and drivers. Same. Come to find out every shadow setting but medium is bugged.
Problem there us the lighting quality now looks like the switch version, not ps4. Missing significant detail that's important for the art. Also game menu shows support 120fps! …Spyro is now un controllable while charging, physics messed up.
Oh the PC version of Arkham knight is fixed? ….Constant stutter, requires downloading a separate program just for that game to fix.
Literally bro I could sit here all day, but hopefully you get the point.
Also I would wager i'm in the top 1% on this board in terms if senstivity to stutter and input lag and such and overall have an obsessive mind, so there's plenty of things that bother me on PC.
But I also love PC because there's many games that are much better vs. console versions and I hate some technical choices console devs choose like horrendous AA or upscale, post processing etc.
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Most of my mapping issues are coming from arcade sticks and hitboxes...everything works (save D-Input not recognizing modern menu buttons), it's pushing the mapping through 2-3 layers of abstraction... 4 if you include my brain. I'll look into that but not sure if it's going to help. Even Steam Input if I set my stick as a Switch controller still flips Y/X to X/Y. Some old PC to Steam port like Kamui??? Forget about it. I have to make my stick look like a keyboard to Windows with Joy2Key or cut my nose off and half my buttons with D-Input. Pure idiocy. Maybe that ViGEmBus works.
I'll give you the counter example: I can plug *anything* with a USB into my MiSTer and I can map it however I like including secondary buttons and it saves it on a per device profile, and I can map again on a per core basis.
I'll probably dual boot one of these days but I have a nice early 00's Sony VAIO machine with no drivers to be found... no way in hell am I dumping XP hahaha.. just keeping it air-gapped. I have Linux on a much faster machine and it is a much, much better experience, but my library to less than half for Proton compatibility (mainly Japanese indie and shmups made in GameMaker, STG Builder, etc.) and if I force compatibility, I'm getting weird timings.... like Sophstar for example runs smooth but at like 75% speed (which I *might* end up using for practice lol).
