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Intel 13th Gen Core Specs Igor Wallossek posted official Intel Core specs for Raptor Lake-S series. Intel 13th Gen Core Packaging, Source: Igor’sLAB No more guesses, the full specs of the upcoming Core series have now been confirmed, thanks to the new leak from Igor’sLAB. The flagship Core i9...
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AMD paving the way for future Ryzen CPUs AMD is updating its product naming scheme for 2023 and beyond. It should better reflect where each CPU stacks up. The first number will simply refer to the production year, starting with 7 meaning 2023, 8 standing for 2024 product and 9 for 2025 CPUs. The...
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Intel Raptor Lake CPU to hit 6 GHz stock, 8 GHz world record confirmed At Intel Tech Tour in Israel, the company confirmed its plans for the Raptor Lake series. Intel Raptor Lake series only exist because Meteor Lake wouldn’t be ready on time, stated an Intel VP at the event. The company also...
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Ok you CPU people. I didn't follow the CPU space much and don't know my shit here.
I'm in the market for an upgrade, say first quarter of next year. What would be my best options without spending an obscene amount of money? Taking into account that I'll have to buy a motherboard and RAM as well. What will be good options at ~300€ or less?
I'm in the market for an upgrade, say first quarter of next year. What would be my best options without spending an obscene amount of money? Taking into account that I'll have to buy a motherboard and RAM as well. What will be good options at ~300€ or less?
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What resolution do you play at? Lower the res more important CPU is.
Also if it's for Gaming you never need more than 8 core, anything else is a waste of money. 6 core is usually the best value for money. As I mentioned in the other thread a 3D CPU seems miles better for Gaming and they are coming out early next year.
Don't even know what 3D CPUs are. I play at 1440p and with as many fps as I can. But I'm also an RT fanboi, so I always turn that on if possible - which is often pretty heavy on the CPU.
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I have an 8700k at 5ghz. And what I want it to do:
I'm like Sonic. Gotta go fast. I want fps.
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You have $300 to spend on CPU and want to buy next year, right?
Well raptor lake gen 13 will get out, plus zen 4. Best to wait and see how that turns out, but your options will likely be the i5 for Intel and the 7600x for amd.
I suspect Intel raptor lake will be better for games, prior to the Ryzen 7000 v cache models (which won't be out for a while. My 5800x3d is a v cache chip)
Also the i5 13600k will have 14 cores ; 6 big cores and 8 E cores, so if you do rendering or productivity stuff, the i5 will crush the Ryzen 7600x.
But yeah, best to keep an eye on the new stuff this year.
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Come next year, can I just send you a dollar amount and have you list out the parts I should buy?? lol
One thing to take into account if going for Zen 4 or Raptor Lake is the platform costs. Motherboard prices have really shot up and DDR5 is still pretty expensive too. Could be €300 for decent MOBO and €300 for decent RAM (DDR5). Then the actual CPU you won't really need more than 8 cores for gaming I would imagine.
For €300-ish, like @Chozofication mentions above a 7600x or i5 by intel would likely do the trick.
Other options are Alder Lake by Intel which supports both DDR4 and DDR5. The MOBO will still be quite expensive but at least you can get DDR4 RAM for good prices. Plus ADL will likely drop in price after Raptor Lake releases.
On the AMD side you could get a cheap AM4 socket MOBO, DDR4 RAM for reasonable prices and get a Ryzen 5800x which will give you very solid performance.
The "3D" CPUS are by AMD, they are essentially the same Zen3/Zen4 CPU but with extra cache stacked on in a new way vertically, hence "3D stacking" etc...
The extra cache seems to really help performance in gaming and some cache starved applications. Right now the 5800X3D is supposed to be the best gaming CPU right now because of this. AMD only released a "3D" version (these are also called V-Cache, presumable the V being for vertical stacking) of the 5800x for Zen 3, but early next year they are supposed to be releasing X3D variants of Zen 4 to a wider range of the CPU stack.
So essentially these will probably be the gaming performance kings for the foreseeable future. However they will likely be outside of your €300 budget for CPU (not to mention platform costs as mentioned above).
For €300-ish, like @Chozofication mentions above a 7600x or i5 by intel would likely do the trick.
Other options are Alder Lake by Intel which supports both DDR4 and DDR5. The MOBO will still be quite expensive but at least you can get DDR4 RAM for good prices. Plus ADL will likely drop in price after Raptor Lake releases.
On the AMD side you could get a cheap AM4 socket MOBO, DDR4 RAM for reasonable prices and get a Ryzen 5800x which will give you very solid performance.
The "3D" CPUS are by AMD, they are essentially the same Zen3/Zen4 CPU but with extra cache stacked on in a new way vertically, hence "3D stacking" etc...
The extra cache seems to really help performance in gaming and some cache starved applications. Right now the 5800X3D is supposed to be the best gaming CPU right now because of this. AMD only released a "3D" version (these are also called V-Cache, presumable the V being for vertical stacking) of the 5800x for Zen 3, but early next year they are supposed to be releasing X3D variants of Zen 4 to a wider range of the CPU stack.
So essentially these will probably be the gaming performance kings for the foreseeable future. However they will likely be outside of your €300 budget for CPU (not to mention platform costs as mentioned above).
Ok the cost thing definitely sucks. Will wait till around March, check prices and performance, then will make a decision.
I read earlier that DDR5 prices are expected to crash next year and reach current DDR4 levels.
Hope that happens. No way I'm going to pay 300 for a CPU, 300 for RAM and 300 for a Mobo lol, 900 bucks for that upgrade is too much.
Gonna wait that out.
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I really think that i5 13600k is going to kick ass for games. Because it has 6 big cores, which covers the sweet spot for current games, but also the E cores gives it room to grow compared to zen 4 7600x.
I really think it'll be the best performance for the money chip. Course you will get more cache on the i7 and more so the i9, which does help with games, but the extra cores don't for now.
One other thing to consider, is that raptor lake is a dead platform and am4 won't be. BUT, the thing is, Ryzen in 2017, those x370 boards had a lot of issues, so it's not necessarily a good idea to jump on a new platform first thing.
Basically I'm betting on raptor lake initially, but when Ryzen 7000 v cache comes out, it is sure to take the crown for fastest chip. My 5800x3d is really insane, holy shit I mean it can hit 180fps at times in crysis warhead... A game that only uses 2 cores
Could cost a lot of money though.
I really think it'll be the best performance for the money chip. Course you will get more cache on the i7 and more so the i9, which does help with games, but the extra cores don't for now.
One other thing to consider, is that raptor lake is a dead platform and am4 won't be. BUT, the thing is, Ryzen in 2017, those x370 boards had a lot of issues, so it's not necessarily a good idea to jump on a new platform first thing.
Basically I'm betting on raptor lake initially, but when Ryzen 7000 v cache comes out, it is sure to take the crown for fastest chip. My 5800x3d is really insane, holy shit I mean it can hit 180fps at times in crysis warhead... A game that only uses 2 cores
Could cost a lot of money though.
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Yeah, I'm a Core i7 user right now but have been using this chip since about 2013... I do a lot of coding and also video editing, so I think that having the extra cache could be meaningful for me. Then again, I suspect that an i5 is more than sufficient for 90% of anything anyone would ever do and worst you would just need to wait a little longer for a long-running task to complete...I really think that i5 13600k is going to kick ass for games. Because it has 6 big cores, which covers the sweet spot for current games, but also the E cores gives it room to grow compared to zen 4 7600x.
I really think it'll be the best performance for the money chip. Course you will get more cache on the i7 and more so the i9, which does help with games, but the extra cores don't for now.
One other thing to consider, is that raptor lake is a dead platform and am4 won't be. BUT, the thing is, Ryzen in 2017, those x370 boards had a lot of issues, so it's not necessarily a good idea to jump on a new platform first thing.
Basically I'm betting on raptor lake initially, but when Ryzen 7000 v cache comes out, it is sure to take the crown for fastest chip. My 5800x3d is really insane, holy shit I mean it can hit 180fps at times in crysis warhead... A game that only uses 2 cores
Could cost a lot of money though.
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4790k?
Cache is useful for games mostly, not so much for editing and stuff. CPU cores, it's the other way around, so that i5 should be a great choice.
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Good thing about 4k gaming is none of this will really affect me until the new standards are widespread (read: cheaper, more choices).
I could spend £1000+ and not really gain much in gaming performance at all.
I could spend £1000+ and not really gain much in gaming performance at all.
Is that true for games with heavy RT as well? From what I've seen, it can get very CPU heavy. Like WD Legion, I was surprised how taxing it was CPU wise. Then saw it with other titles as well. Spider-Man is the latest example.
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Only one I've experienced high CPU utilisation is Spiderman. But given DLSS makes the game worse for me, I don't trust the competency of that port fully (even if it is excellent in other areas).
EDIT: That's using a 5800x as well, so no slouch.
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And then you have Jayztwocents lauding it's benchmarks with a cautious optimism regarding if there will be GPU's to take advantage of it:
Jay also discusses the compare and contrast of the 95 degrees the AMD hit and how it did not throttle the chip. He goes into the specs much deeper than my understanding, but I get the gist of what he is conveying.
Interesting to see all three views on this.
Jay also discusses the compare and contrast of the 95 degrees the AMD hit and how it did not throttle the chip. He goes into the specs much deeper than my understanding, but I get the gist of what he is conveying.
Interesting to see all three views on this.
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My 5800x3d still lookin' good. Watched hardware unboxed and gamer's nexus reviews, it's nearly a wash between it and zen 4. And zen 4 runs a lot hotter, so... 7600x is worse for sure.
Not even going to consider upgrading til meteor lake intel. Imo unless you're running something ancient, or a quad core i7 i.e. 6700k, or zen 3000 chip or older, this is a poor generation to upgrade to because next year with a mature am5 platform, and intel gen 14 will be huge.
Raptor lake at least has an ace up its sleeve in the form of E cores, where a 13th gen i5 will have 14c/20 which could be a really cost effective workstation.
Ryzen 7000 v cache models next year should be beasts though.
Not even going to consider upgrading til meteor lake intel. Imo unless you're running something ancient, or a quad core i7 i.e. 6700k, or zen 3000 chip or older, this is a poor generation to upgrade to because next year with a mature am5 platform, and intel gen 14 will be huge.
Raptor lake at least has an ace up its sleeve in the form of E cores, where a 13th gen i5 will have 14c/20 which could be a really cost effective workstation.
Ryzen 7000 v cache models next year should be beasts though.
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Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330 - VideoCardz.com
Intel price hike for desktop CPUs confirmed by Newegg The cat (or should one say Raptor) is out of the bag. This is not official pricing for 13th Gen Core (yet), but there is a chance that this is very accurate. Here’s a reminder that we are just hours away from Intel Innovation event, where […]
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Tbh considering the core counts those are not bad prices. You're getting 4 more cores on both the i7 and i5, 8 more on i9.Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330 - VideoCardz.com
Intel price hike for desktop CPUs confirmed by Newegg The cat (or should one say Raptor) is out of the bag. This is not official pricing for 13th Gen Core (yet), but there is a chance that this is very accurate. Here’s a reminder that we are just hours away from Intel Innovation event, where […]
After seeing what Ryzen 7000 is I think these will win for gaming as well.
I hope that the i3 is still sub $150 because the i3 12100 was a fantastic value chip.
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The most powerful gaming cpu last gen was the 5800x3d iirc, the 7600 tends to beat it in many games but usually not by much. It's gone down in price substantially, and the motherboard and ddr4 are far cheaper than the ddr5 and newer motherboards. But its practically an upgrade dead end in motherboard and ram sense, if you want an upgrade in next few years will need new motherboard and ram.
The current 12900k from intel can compete somewhat with 5800x3d but thats when using expensive ddr5, with cheap ddr4 it has lower performance. The 7600 tends to equal or beat the 5800x3d in many games and is good budget, but it'll probably cost notably more than an 5800x3d build.
I'd say people shouldn't support products with E cores, E cores are disgusting and companies should be punished for pushing them in desktop market, these make sense in mobile but not in desktop.
As for the 7600 it beats 5800x3d when it comes to gaming but usually not by much, and motherboard and ram are more expensive for 7600, only good thing is its upgradeable for years to come. But hopefully ddr5 and motherboard prices will come down in years ahead, so not sure about that.
The rumored 7800x3d will smoke intel's next gen and will smoke all cpus on the market when it comes to gaming. But it is likely to be significantly more expensive than the 5800x3d.
For upgradeability the 7600 makes sense, its upgradeable to a cpu that will smoke everything the 7800x3d, and future 8800x3d too. But I think 5800x3d can likely be obtained cheaper, though I've not checked do know cpu down significantly in price and motherboards and ram are way cheaper.
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Intel announces 13th Gen Core Desktop CPU family The next-generation 125W SKUs are here. Today Intel unveils 13th Gen Core series codenamed “Raptor Lake”. The new series feature three SKUs, each to be available in two variants (with and without built-in graphics). The company is adding 4 (for...
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Are you Paintinjr from gaf? Asking because that dude ranted about E cores too lol.
Also, the 5800x3D from what i've seen pretty much evens out against 7000 series. It still is significantly ahead in cache heavy games such as far cry 6, kingdom come, older titles relying on 1 or 2 cores etc. Then when talking about 7600x vs. x3D, eventually those 2 extra cores are going to come into play more often.
And it does so while running cooler.
I wouldn't buy into am5 right now. There will be many issues with software on mobos, compat issues and the chips aren't good enough. 7xxx x3D, sure that chip(s) will be a gaming champ, but until then, i'd wait til next gen for next gen mobos and chips.
Anyone on AM4 - upgrade to 5800x3D, or wait for intel 14th/ryzen 8000.
Anyone on intel with 6 core or greater, again just wait. unless you really want smoother gaming now.
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This year's Intel vs AMD battle went just about as expected, more or less reflecting last year's. The only real surprise for me came from AMD's thermals, it was already obvious that they'd be raising power draw considerably to stay competitive. They've handed the more value-minded market over to Intel.
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No, but I also hate them. Imagine you have a brand new game that uses tons of threads, and suddenly part of the game is fed into these crappy E cores and performance tanks.
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Gotcha. I get that there have been scheduling issues in certain games, but a lot of that's been ironed out and it really only affects a handful now AFAIK. Far cry 6 I think is the only newer one irrc. BUT that game also has issues with more than 8 regular cores like 7900/50x.
This was also an issue with the dawn of hyperthreading, it's just growing pains. Saying E cores is a scam is like saying Hyperthreading is.
The idea of E cores is brilliant, and for the way intel designs cpus it gets them more multicore performance compared to if they just added more bigger cores.
AMD will be adding more cores next gen ; they'll have 32 core 64 thread ryzen desktop chips.
Intel will stick with 8 big cores, and add more E cores. It's smart because currently no game uses more than 8 cores, and really most can only use 6 or less. When targeting gaming, more than 8 is a waste. This way intel can make the minimal amount of cores for gaming as fast as possible, while still pumping up multicore perf for production users.
As I said before I see raptor lake winning in gaming, aside from zen 7000 v cache later. But the real fruits of intel's strategy will show when they move to advanced ultra violet node, and are on their lion cove architecture (gen 15, Jim Keller design). I think they will reclaim total dominance by that point for the consumer market and hopefully for server business as well.
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Just watched the GN review of the 7600x. Seems decent aside from motherboard cost, but I think Intel is the way to go now.
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Say I'm gaming and using 8 cores on my game, want multitask so also streaming in 4k. Suddenly maybe the E core can handle that with some ASIC but not sure.
Also who knows if future games will use more cores. What if nextgen consoles come with 16 cores and they are used by most developers? What are the E cores gonna do?
In addition I personally want to try some high thread count code, uniform cores work wonders as I can divide work into uniform chunks and have it run in parallel at about the same time. But what will I do with E cores? Either I have to do some threads with a small chunk of workload or just ignore the E cores.
Note that some researchers have gotten AI code to run competitive to gpus in cpus. And such code can likely eat threads for breakfast. AI is the future, and it's conceivable cpus still have room to play there.
CPU algorithm trains deep neural nets up to 15 times faster than top GPU trainers
Rice University computer scientists have demonstrated artificial intelligence (AI) software that runs on commodity processors and trains deep neural networks 15 times faster than platforms based on graphics processors.