[Franky Family]

What are people's thoughts on current Nintendo shop game vouchers working on switch 2 games? I'm currently sitting on one I don't have a must get game to use it on. I have a bunch of "eh, maybe I'll get it" games I'd pick from if it doesn't carry over but it would be pretty awesome to get Mario kart 9 with it for example.

Nintendo might have the vouchers transfer over, but my thinking is that the chances are slim for an immediate voucher system for NS2 games. Shuntaro Furukawa wanted the transition to be very simple and easy so maybe gamers can expect to see the vouchers transfer over to NS2 games immediately. Probably won't know until April 2nd but my guess is that they won't transfer over. Not until the NS2 user base reaches a healthy amount and constant growth is ensured. I think that the Nintendo Switch vouchers are here to stay but my guess for NS2 vouchers, probably we'll see them being offered when the library is stacked in 2-4 years

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

 

[Eneru]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

Good New tracks.

The fun will remain the same.

 

[Saruhashi]

...and if you were the only one doing it and only on D-Pad...but that's not the case. You and people like you think everyone needs to be re-educated about how business works. We've all heard it, we know how business works. You can stop telling us now.


I don't remember saying that you are influencing parents? Strawman.


You just don't get it do you? Doesn't matter whose kid it is, doesn't even matter what your opinion is. It matters what you say out loud for the kid to hear. It's framed as defending his actions because you are giving him an excuse for his actions. An excuse that he will use to continue his bad behavior.


There is nothing you can do to influence the weather, not a valid example. However, enough people excusing anti-consumer behavior emboldens corporations to keep doing it.


Corporations do market research. They don't just look at sales, they also look at what people think and what they want. So yeah, Nintendo is listening even if not on D-Pad. If they see a bunch of idiots saying 'it's ok that Nintendo never lower their prices as the generation goes, that's business' then they think that people are ok with it. The message consumers SHOULD be putting out there is that they are looking for a better deal. It's the difference between thinking like a consumer instead of an apologist.

Here's an example. Due to widespread agreement that McDonald's prices have become too high, McDonald's introduced new value items. Following that, so did the other fast food places. Now, what if instead McDonald's got the message that people are fine with the prices because people understand that business are supposed to make as much money as they can get away with? In that case McDonald's would not have made any changes.

"If they see a bunch of idiots saying 'it's ok that Nintendo never lower their prices as the generation goes, that's business' then they think that people are ok with it."

The way you are imagining this situation is not in line with reality.

They've sold how many Switch consoles? 150 million almost?

How many people among those millions are even aware that there's even a conversation that "Nintendo never puts their stuff on sale"? Maybe a few thousand on social media and gaming forums?

How many people are saying "why would they have a discount when they are still selling millions of units at full price" and therefore "defending" Nintendo? A very small handful.

You don't think that Nintendo would look at the sales rising up over 50 million, then 100 million, then up towards 150 million and think that's proof enough that the price is fine?

You don't think they'd use their actual sales figures as an indicator rather than a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, people having a debate online about why they should do a discount?

It's mad that we are discussing a console that has sold 150 million units and you genuinely think that a small number of people online explaining why there hasn't been a deep discount is something that Nintendo would look at and hold up to show that it's all fine to not reduce prices.

"So we're selling millions of units seven years later, still at full price, and we were thinking of maybe cutting 100 bucks off the price. However, there's like 50 nobodies online saying why would we have a discount when people will still buy at full price so we're actually gonna just stick with full price. "

The volume of sales would speak for itself. The volume of people buying their stuff is the proof that people are willing to pay the price. A small number of people online saying that the price is OK or whatever affects nothing.

Your idea of what's going on is just not in line with reality. Stop trying to control the conversation and try not to piss your pants when someone explains to you why the shit never goes on sale.

 

[Saruhashi]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

Same as anyone wants from a sequel or new game. Fresh ideas. New mechanics. New levels.

For MK9 I guess new tracks and new items and a better multiplayer experience.

For 3D Mario it could be almost anything really. The last 3 were Mario Galaxy 2, 3D World and Odyssey and those are all completely different games so it's not like that 3D platfromer and collectathon genre is going stale. Astro Bot just won game of the year with an excellent take on the genre.

 

[Zog]

"If they see a bunch of idiots saying 'it's ok that Nintendo never lower their prices as the generation goes, that's business' then they think that people are ok with it."

The way you are imagining this situation is not in line with reality.

They've sold how many Switch consoles? 150 million almost?

How many people among those millions are even aware that there's even a conversation that "Nintendo never puts their stuff on sale"? Maybe a few thousand on social media and gaming forums?

How many people are saying "why would they have a discount when they are still selling millions of units at full price" and therefore "defending" Nintendo? A very small handful.

You don't think that Nintendo would look at the sales rising up over 50 million, then 100 million, then up towards 150 million and think that's proof enough that the price is fine?

You don't think they'd use their actual sales figures as an indicator rather than a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, people having a debate online about why they should do a discount?

It's mad that we are discussing a console that has sold 150 million units and you genuinely think that a small number of people online explaining why there hasn't been a deep discount is something that Nintendo would look at and hold up to show that it's all fine to not reduce prices.

"So we're selling millions of units seven years later, still at full price, and we were thinking of maybe cutting 100 bucks off the price. However, there's like 50 nobodies online saying why would we have a discount when people will still buy at full price so we're actually gonna just stick with full price. "

The volume of sales would speak for itself. The volume of people buying their stuff is the proof that people are willing to pay the price. A small number of people online saying that the price is OK or whatever affects nothing.

Your idea of what's going on is just not in line with reality. Stop trying to control the conversation and try not to piss your pants when someone explains to you why the shit never goes on sale.

Why did you ignore the McDonald's example?

Here's an example. Due to widespread agreement that McDonald's prices have become too high, McDonald's introduced new value items. Following that, so did the other fast food places. Now, what if instead McDonald's got the message that people are fine with the prices because people understand that business are supposed to make as much money as they can get away with? In that case McDonald's would not have made any changes.

Otherwise, I'm done with this discussion.

 

[Saruhashi]

Why did you ignore the McDonald's example?

Here's an example. Due to widespread agreement that McDonald's prices have become too high, McDonald's introduced new value items. Following that, so did the other fast food places. Now, what if instead McDonald's got the message that people are fine with the prices because people understand that business are supposed to make as much money as they can get away with? In that case McDonald's would not have made any changes.

Otherwise, I'm done with this discussion.

So they introduced new items? So what?

I want a Big Mac but it's too expensive!
McDonald's says "OK here's a Not Big Mac for cheap, happy?"

Did they cut the price of their regular items? Like a permanent reduction?

Seems more likely these days that companies will just reduce the size of the product and keep the price the same.

In your example, McDs introduces a new range of cheaper items so the gaming equivalent would be that we get a range of cheaper (less powerful or with less features) consoles and a range of cheaper games (less content or less polished) NOT a discount on existing shit. It's comparing apples to oranges.

Again, if a company is selling 150 million of their consoles and still selling them by the millions at full price 7 years down the line then there's no reason why they would sell the console with a discount. Fucking hell.

McDonald's probably thought "oh shit our revenues are down so let's introduce some new and cheaper items to squeeze a bit more money out".

You are comparing apples to oranges and then getting pissed off at me for not agreeing that they are the same.

There's no world where Nintendo are looking at 150 million consoles sold and thinking "what are people on gaming forums saying about the price of the console" and concluding that because one or two random guys said the price is fine that they won't lower the price.

Its just silly.

People are buying the stuff at full price year after year therfore there is no discount. People are going into the shop or going online and willingly paying the price that is asked. That's an obvious sign that people are just fine with the price.

 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Why did you ignore the McDonald's example?

Here's an example. Due to widespread agreement that McDonald's prices have become too high, McDonald's introduced new value items. Following that, so did the other fast food places. Now, what if instead McDonald's got the message that people are fine with the prices because people understand that business are supposed to make as much money as they can get away with? In that case McDonald's would not have made any changes.

Otherwise, I'm done with this discussion.

You are positing a hypothetical that is explicitly impossible in the bounds of this discussion. It's not a question or a 'what if'. There is no honor system, in US-based business at least. Capitalism is the driving force. Therefore, there is no "due to widespread agreement". As long as a product is being sold in sufficient quantities at a set price, it will continue to sell at that price. Discounts are a marketing mechanic to stimulate sales and generate extra profit, a 'return on investment', the latter being the amount of money lost due to not selling a product at full price.

A business will only offer its customers something for a lesser price if it expects to make more money by doing so. If McDonalds offered value items, it did so not due to 'widespread agreement' but due to conducting market research and determining new sources of revenue. The message is always "sell at the highest price you can get away with" because it's the literal foundation of business. If a business does not lower prices when you expect it to, it means it has no incentive to do so. If other businesses like it are lowering prices and it does not, it means it's in a better situation than them and its revenue remains strong. They are not required to offer discounts unless a law says so.

All in all, not offering discounts on their products or services is not a sign of greed. It's a sign of a well-managed business. It may not sit well with you, but business is a predatory practice. Companies exist that by all rights should not sell their products for as much as they do (*cough*Adobe*cough*), but because the products keep being bought, they stay profitable - and there's nothing you can do about that.

 

[Zog]

So they introduced new items? So what?

I want a Big Mac but it's too expensive!
McDonald's says "OK here's a Not Big Mac for cheap, happy?"

Did they cut the price of their regular items? Like a permanent reduction?

Seems more likely these days that companies will just reduce the size of the product and keep the price the same.

Again, if a company is selling 150 million of their consoles and still selling them by the millions at full price 7 years down the line then there's no reason why they would sell the console with a discount. Fucking hell.

McDonald's probably thought "oh shit our revenues are down so let's introduce some new and cheaper items to squeeze a bit more money out".

You are comparing apples to oranges and then getting pissed off at me for not agreeing that they are the same.

There's no world where Nintendo are looking at 150 million consoles sold and thinking "what are people on gaming forums saying about the price of the console" and concluding that because one or two random guys said the price is fine that they won't lower the price.

Its just silly.

People are buying the stuff at full price year after year therfore there is no discount. People are going into the shop or going online and willingly paying the price that is asked. That's an obvious sign that people are just fine with the price.

Oh forget it. I am not starting my day out like this, my only point was 'don't send the message that you are ok with anti-consumer behavior' and my mind hasn't been changed. Have a good day.

 

[Optimus]

So they introduced new items? So what?

I want a Big Mac but it's too expensive!
McDonald's says "OK here's a Not Big Mac for cheap, happy?"

Did they cut the price of their regular items? Like a permanent reduction?

Seems more likely these days that companies will just reduce the size of the product and keep the price the same.

Again, if a company is selling 150 million of their consoles and still selling them by the millions at full price 7 years down the line then there's no reason why they would sell the console with a discount. Fucking hell.

McDonald's probably thought "oh shit our revenues are down so let's introduce some new and cheaper items to squeeze a bit more money out".

You are comparing apples to oranges and then getting pissed off at me for not agreeing that they are the same.

There's no world where Nintendo are looking at 150 million consoles sold and thinking "what are people on gaming forums saying about the price of the console" and concluding that because one or two random guys said the price is fine that they won't lower the price.

Its just silly.

People are buying the stuff at full price year after year therfore there is no discount. People are going into the shop or going online and willingly paying the price that is asked. That's an obvious sign that people are just fine with the price.

@Zog @Saruhashi Feels like a key point is being missed here. Nintendo does the same thing McDonald's did. McDonalds hears the high price complaint and responds with new items that meet a lower price point. Nintendo sees a segment of gamers who don't want a regular Switch for $300 and answers that with a $200 Switch Lite. It's not only about high sales but also reaching towards that total sales potential. Why sell to only 50% of the people interested? Everyone has a price they will buy in at.

No company is willfully leaving money on the table, though. You will either buy a PS5 at the regular price or buy a PS5 Slim for less.

 

[LtGoose]

 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Oh forget it. I am not starting my day out like this, my only point was 'don't send the message that you are ok with anti-consumer behavior' and my mind hasn't been changed. Have a good day.

I'm not okay with anti-consumer behavior. I'm also not okay with saying that not offering discounts is anti-consumer behavior.

 

[Optimus]

Anti-consumer behavior is not honoring your warranty by finding BS reasons to deny a claim, offering poor customer support, knowingly shipping defective stuff, purposely choosing really cheap and bad components for your products, and such.

There are some things Nintendo does that are bordering on anti-consumer. There are friendlier companies. The friendlier companies don't have Nintendo's catalog of absolutely legendary products, though.

 

[Saruhashi]

@Zog @Saruhashi Feels like a key point is being missed here. Nintendo does the same thing McDonald's did. McDonalds hears the high price complaint and responds with new items that meet a lower price point. Nintendo sees a segment of gamers who don't want a regular Switch for $300 and answers that with a $200 Switch Lite. It's not only about high sales but also reaching towards that total sales potential. Why sell to only 50% of the people interested? Everyone has a price they will buy in at.

No company is willfully leaving money on the table, though. You will either buy a PS5 at the regular price or buy a PS5 Slim for less.

Thank you @Optimus

There you go @Zog McDonald's offered value menu items for less and Nintendo offered the Switch Lite for less.

I guess they weren't being anti-consumer after all as they did the exact thing that you discussed in your example.

Glad we sorted that out.

 

[Saruhashi]

I'm not okay with anti-consumer behavior. I'm also not okay with saying that not offering discounts is anti-consumer behavior.

It's also not true to say that their games never go on sale. They have eshop sales all the time.

They have their "gold points" nonsense and those game vouchers too but I have no idea how much can be earned or saved there. Probably pretty stingy.

 

[Zog]

Thank you @Optimus

There you go @Zog McDonald's offered value menu items for less and Nintendo offered the Switch Lite for less.

I guess they weren't being anti-consumer after all as they did the exact thing that you discussed in your example.

Glad we sorted that out.

Still missing the damn point but I am sure that's intentional.

 

[Nicktendo]

Still missing the damn point but I am sure that's intentional.

Maybe make better points that aren't completely unhinged.

 

[Optimus]

The purpose behind discounts is to drive purchasing and help products gain visibility. There's also some wager that people who miss out on the sale will break down and make purchases at the regular price after the discount concludes. There's all sorts of marketing and sales analysis that go into this.

For Nintendo, they rarely like to do huge discounts because they see that it devalues their products. Once you sell something at 40% of its MSRP, there's not much going back to the regular price. People will wait for the next sale. Eventually you end up selling your Zelda or Mario Kart for $20. They know these are big time evergreen titles that can sell for $50 or $60 for them for potentially the next decade.

I know we wish it wasn't like that, but Nintendo has existed for far longer than someone like Rockstar or Ubisoft. They've existed since before video games were a thing, and they will continue to exist even if the video game market crashes. Even if AI replaces video games, Nintendo will still be around making fun products. This is the reality for Nintendo because they don't sell their stuff at 60% off. When they do, it's usually because their situation dictates that they opt for short term infusions of cash from software sales as opposed to their willingness to maximize their long term revenue on software. That's why we see more sales during the Wii U's life than we do now. All I ever see from them now are 15% off and 20% off. lol

 

[Saruhashi]

Still missing the damn point but I am sure that's intentional.

Fair enough, let's agree to disagree then and move on from it.

I was curious though about what you reckon is a fair price for, say, a new PS5 Pro and a launch day copy of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2?

 

[Epic Nemesis]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

With the exception of galaxy 2 which was more of and expansion pack to galaxy 1, every 3d Mario has a completely different feel centered around a new way to control Mario that fundamentally changes how you move around.

As for Mario Kart, that is basically more of the same with little tweaks and new tracks, but the same can be said about most racing games.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

For Nintendo, they rarely like to do huge discounts because they see that it devalues their products.

I'm sure this no doubt plays a part but in reality I'd say they just react to consumer behavior, much like any other business. They have been shown time and time again, for decades, that Nintendo fans (for one reason or another) will happily continue to pay full price for games that released years ago.

You can see it yourself with sales numbers, 6 years ago Super Mario Odyssey surpassed 10,000,000 units. It's now sitting at 28,000,000. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold just over 9,000,000 copies 6 years ago. Now? 64,000,000. Sure, some of those sales came from the handful of sales theyve had, but the vast majority have been at full price. Nintendo knows this. Call those people suckers, say theyre setting shitty precedents for the future of gaming or whatever, but Nintendo sluts, more than any other gaming fan base, have zero issues paying full price for games no matter how old they are.

 

[Epic Nemesis]

And it does cost them sales, there are about a half dozen or so games I'm unwilling to pay full price for that I would have bought at 30 that I'll either not play or sail the 7 seas for.

Also they do have Nintendo vouchers, which reduces most/all first party titles to $50 (or cheaper if you snag eshop gift cards on sale) Costco sells gift cards at a constant 10% off, so I usually get most first party titles at $45

 

[Optimus]

I'm sure this no doubt plays a part but in reality I'd say they just react to consumer behavior, much like any other business. They have been shown time and time again, for decades, that Nintendo fans (for one reason or another) will happily continue to pay full price for games that released years ago.

You can see it yourself with sales numbers, 6 years ago Super Mario Odyssey surpassed 10,000,000 units. It's now sitting at 28,000,000. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold just over 9,000,000 copies 6 years ago. Now? 64,000,000. Sure, some of those sales came from the handful of sales theyve had, but the vast majority have been at full price. Nintendo knows this. Call those people suckers, say theyre setting shitty precedents for the future of gaming or whatever, but Nintendo sluts, more than any other gaming fan base, have zero issues paying full price for games no matter how old they are.

I wouldn't call us suckers. We only had to buy Mario Kart 8 Deluxe once. That game continues to be a staple even now. I might feel some buyer's remorse on Mario Odyssey, but if I hadn't bought it I would feel FOMO.

The reality of Nintendo's pricing is actually that I experience less of their software, though. I'm not going to buy the Yoshi or the Kirby. I skipped the Princess Peach and the Princess Zelda games. I'm in it for the LoZ, the Super Mario's, the Kart and the Party, the Animal Crossing, and the Metroid. But consequently, because of the high prices, I buy fewer games from them. I'm not sure which would be a better outcome for them, really...

 

[Saruhashi]

I'm sure this no doubt plays a part but in reality I'd say they just react to consumer behavior, much like any other business. They have been shown time and time again, for decades, that Nintendo fans (for one reason or another) will happily continue to pay full price for games that released years ago.

You can see it yourself with sales numbers, 6 years ago Super Mario Odyssey surpassed 10,000,000 units. It's now sitting at 28,000,000. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold just over 9,000,000 copies 6 years ago. Now? 64,000,000. Sure, some of those sales came from the handful of sales theyve had, but the vast majority have been at full price. Nintendo knows this. Call those people suckers, say theyre setting shitty precedents for the future of gaming or whatever, but Nintendo sluts, more than any other gaming fan base, have zero issues paying full price for games no matter how old they are.

Wouldn't Nintendo sluts be the ones blindly buying the game at launch though?

What kind of hardcore fan is waiting 6 full years before picking up the game they are a fan of?

It doesn't track.

Kingdome Come 2 is going to sell loads of copies at launch as the fans of the series step up and pay. Within a month sales would have slowed down as the fans have already bought the game and you are getting into the more casual customer who might have it on a wishlist or might buy it impulsively.

This mad idea that Nintendo fanboys are delaying their purchase of Mario Kart for 5 years doesn't make any sense.

Isnt it more realistic that among the casual gaming audience there is pretty much always some level of demand for these titles and those people are obviously fine with the price?

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, this isn't "defending" anything.

If a game is still selling millions of copies several years after launch then that ain't fanboys. That's your casual gamers who probably don't post on gaming forums etc picking up those games. Probably parents going "we've heard of Mario and it's family friendly so thats what we're getting the kid for Xmas". While we are debating performance and launch titles and prices the majority of people who will buy a Switch 2 probably don't even know it exists yet. That's not "fans".

We can say that fanboys will blindly pre-order and buy the matching special controller and tshirts and give the game a 9 out of 10 review even though it's really a 7. I don't think we can say that fanboys are waiting several years to pick up the newest 3D Mario. That's kind of dumb.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I wouldn't call us suckers. We only had to buy Mario Kart 8 Deluxe once. That game continues to be a staple even now. I might feel some buyer's remorse on Mario Odyssey, but if I hadn't bought it I would feel FOMO.

The reality of Nintendo's pricing is actually that I experience less of their software, though. I'm not going to buy the Yoshi or the Kirby. I skipped the Princess Peach and the Princess Zelda games. I'm in it for the LoZ, the Super Mario's, the Kart and the Party, the Animal Crossing, and the Metroid. But consequently, because of the high prices, I buy fewer games from them. I'm not sure which would be a better outcome for them, really...

To be clear I wasn't calling anyone suckers, but I've heard others talk like that before. I had zero remorse after buying Mario Odyssey like five years after launch for full price tbh. It's a fantastic game, and I know Nintendo's schtick. It'll be full price 98% of it's life and I wanted it then.

Yes, I am part of the problem. Fight me.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Wouldn't Nintendo sluts be the ones blindly buying the game at launch though?

What kind of hardcore fan is waiting 6 full years before picking up the game they are a fan of?

It doesn't track.

Kingdome Come 2 is going to sell loads of copies at launch as the fans of the series step up and pay. Within a month sales would have slowed down as the fans have already bought the game and you are getting into the more casual customer who might have it on a wishlist or might buy it impulsively.

This mad idea that Nintendo fanboys are delaying their purchase of Mario Kart for 5 years doesn't make any sense.

Isnt it more realistic that among the casual gaming audience there is pretty much always some level of demand for these titles and those people are obviously fine with the price?

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, this isn't "defending" anything.

If a game is still selling millions of copies several years after launch then that ain't fanboys. That's your casual gamers who probably don't post on gaming forums etc picking up those games. Probably parents going "we've heard of Mario and it's family friendly so thats what we're getting the kid for Xmas". While we are debating performance and launch titles and prices the majority of people who will buy a Switch 2 probably don't even know it exists yet. That's not "fans".

We can say that fanboys will blindly pre-order and buy the matching special controller and tshirts and give the game a 9 out of 10 review even though it's really a 7. I don't think we can say that fanboys are waiting several years to pick up the newest 3D Mario. That's kind of dumb.

Ok fine, it isn't just the hardcore Nintendo fans obviously you're right. That doesn't change what I'm saying though, Nintendo knows people are more than willing to pay full price for a game that released 7 years ago (Odyssey) or full price for a game that essentially released 11 years ago. Let alone the other Nintendo staples such as Kirby or Smash Bros or whatever.

It is what it is, and Nintendo knows it and they'd be stupid not to take advantage of it. You bet your ass Sony would kill for the opportunity to sell some of it's games at full price years and years after release but they can't do it. They haven't carved out that niche, for a variety of reasons, so they have tons more sales than Nintendo ever has.

In the end, this is Nintendo's business model and it's working very well. The way I see it is, wait for the relatively rare sale or just pay full price. It is what it is.

 

[Franky Family]

3D Zelda games are worth at least $700 brand new. From now on, I say we send $700 in the form of a check directly to Nintendo whenever we pay for our Zelda games. What do you guys think?

 

[Saruhashi]

3D Zelda games are worth at least $700 brand new. From now on, I say we send $700 in the form of a check directly to Nintendo whenever we pay for our Zelda games. What do you guys think?

Throw in an Amiibo and you've got yourself a deal!

 

[Rock And Roll]

Pretty funny watching the anti-Nintendo base attempting to troll this thread and then they end up having complete meltdowns and putting people on ignore lol.

 

[Franky Family]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

As great as the Switch games are, the main games dealt a serious portion of filler in MK8 DLX, Super Mario Odyssey, BOTW/TOTK, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. The biggest titles have so much content that should have been cut or not there at all due to low quality. My expectation is that instead of rushing things or having something there for the sake of being there, Nintendo omits that 10-20% of pure filler content. Fans know exactly what they get. Even as a five year old, I knew which games were better than the rest and worth the time to play. Gamers have a sixth sense for these kind of things, so my expectation is that Nintendo stops trying to appease gamers who want unlimited content in their games and instead put out quality over quantity type classics like they were doing since the NES took off. Trim the fat, that's what I expect going forward

 

[Optimus]

Serious question (don't hate me.. ):
What do you guys expect from a new Mario Kart or 3D Mario that none of the former entries in the series weren't able to deliver as an experience?

Serious response following... Man, each of the Mario games has been different enough to be their own thing with the exception of the 2D Mario's. Mario 64/Sunshine -> Mario Galaxy 1/2 -> Mario 3D Land/World -> Mario Odyssey. The real question is what haven't these previous titles been able to deliver as an experience? Truth be told, I'm not really sure. Nintendo does an excellent job of delivering experiences we hadn't conceived of. To this day, I'm still gobsmacked by how great Mario 3D World is. The music and the levels are just something truly special. Then, when you look forward to the present, there's Super Mario Wonder doing its own thing with levels and music that even my 2 & 3 year olds are compelled to stand up and clap when it's over. Piranhas on parade, anyone?? With Marios, you both know what you're getting and don't know because the series goes out of its way to be fresh. When is it ever really more of the same (New Super Mario Bros. not withstanding)?

Mario Kart feels a little more formulaic and refined. If you were to play Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, and Mario Kart 8 then you've hit the modern formula pretty much. DoubleDash mixed things up and Mario Kart 8 threw in the anti-gravity and flipped tracks upside down. I argue that they should consider reining that stuff in and focus on adding more meaningful game modes. They should think about story and adventure modes and possibly even a kart editor. They could expand battle mode into a Twisted Metal style thing and that would be amazing. There's loads of potential if only they would be willing to step back from the formula a bit and stop worrying about reinventing kart racing...

 

[Grinchy]

And it does cost them sales, there are about a half dozen or so games I'm unwilling to pay full price for that I would have bought at 30 that I'll either not play or sail the 7 seas for.

Also they do have Nintendo vouchers, which reduces most/all first party titles to $50 (or cheaper if you snag eshop gift cards on sale) Costco sells gift cards at a constant 10% off, so I usually get most first party titles at $45

Yep, I often don't even buy used switch games bc of the high prices. My switch library is tiny as hell bc of it. I just am not giving them $60+ for Wii U ports

 

[Saruhashi]

...

What the fuck did I do?

You need to calm down, buddy.

Calm down and start saving up for Switch 2 cos there ain't gonna be no discount EVER!

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(Seriously though, don't get yourself banned over this dumb shit. Try to chill out!)

 

[prag16]

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[Saruhashi]

This is supposed to be a thread of sunshine and rainbows. Well, maybe not rainbows.

A thread where we celebrate the prospect of overpriced Nintendo content that will never ever go on sale.
A thread where we demand the release of entirely new ranges of Amiibos all with important game content locked behind that glorious Amiibo paywall.
A thread where poorly performing, graphically inferior, games are celebrated for the full price, never discounted, nuggets of gold that they truly are.
A thread where we demand the release of low effort remasters, remakes, re-releases and diabolical ports as we pledge to send our hard earned consumer bucks to our most beloved anti-consumer overlords.

So let's not fight lads. Let's all be friends.

 

[KennyMan]

While disagreements are fine, there is not need to resort to personal attacks during an argument.
Earlier on in post 569 Zog said to forget about the argument and have a good day.
Further posts involving this disagreement will be cleaned up, please let the argument finish for now.

 

[Zog]

While disagreements are fine, there is not need to start swearing at each other during an argument.
Earlier on in post 569 Zog said to forget about the argument and have a good day.
Further posts involving this disagreement will be cleaned up, please let the argument finish for now.

Swearing is required for account suicide. Honestly, I am done.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Swearing is required for account suicide. Honestly, I am done.

Swearing means nothing, if you truly want to bitch out and leave then just make a thread with a poll asking everyone if @Dr. Farnsgoth is gay.

 

[regawdless]

Swearing means nothing, if you truly want to bitch out and leave then just make a thread with a poll asking everyone if @Dr. Farnsgoth is gay.

Maybe he's just done with the discussion in this thread! Don't be such a doomer!

 

[Franky Family]

Super Mario Party Jamboree is the best game out right now maybe tied with Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. My question is will the online servers be better when NS2 players play with NS players during a game of online four player Mario Party mode? I have to think that there's a chance the servers are better for NS2 when it releases, right?