Get FF7 Remake Intergrade and FF7 Rebirth, come on man, it's not rocket science.
Thread: Square Enix isn't doing well...
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Dacon
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Bc theyre the first 2 of the Remake series.
I'd say just play FFVII from the 90s bc it's actually good. That is if you dont have a problem with ps1 aesthetic of Jrpgs back then. The game is also easily modded to make it look a little more modern.
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Wait so they took a game and split it into different games and charge full price for each? Get the fuck out of here Square Enix.
This is why I've not bothered with either. Fuck paying instalments at full asking price for a single game's 'reimaginging'.
Firstly they'll inevitably do a full and complete 'remastered' collection with the final entry, and where they've gone off piste with the narrative I want to see how they change the ending before committing to it.
Dacon
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Yes theyve broken FFVII up into a trilogy for the remake series. Don't bother trying to tell people how ridiculous that is, they'll just parrot the whole "they're all their own feature length games!" line, ignoring how much bloat is in these games to make that happen.
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100 percent agree, FF7 remake was 50% fun 50% bloated trash backtracking and nonsense side quest, and honestly probably more than 50%. Not looking forward to the slog of rebirth
Cause one is part 1 and the other is part 2.
They split it into 3 parts, 2 of which are out. Personally I think it's worth it. The first 2 parts are excellent. Easily worth it, with the first game being 40-80 hours long and the second one 50-100+ hours long.
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If only they put their games on a system that dominates Japan. Nah here's some old ports and 2D games.
They desperately need DQ12. Switch 2 + DQ12 sales will help a lot but if they keep shitting up their other franchises it won't matter.
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They are spending AAA money in a AA genre, that's the problem.
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After playing Elden Ring for the first time, and my first Souls Game, I understand why people are tired of the fake garbage worlds, FF7 rebirths open world seems so predictable and bland after playing Elden Ring
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Opposite for me. Elden Ring is a beautiful, vast dead world filled with ancient ruins and monsters and treasure like hidden weapons, spells, ect, but not much else (incredible it may be). FF7 and Remake have their serious flaws but at least there are actual settlements and cities that bustle with life outside the dystopia that is Midgar. I wish more RPGs remembered that. FFXVI showing all these incredible cities, developers even citing FFXII as a major influence and then not never actually letting you explore any of them outside 3 tiny hamlets is absolute bullshit and an absolute bait and switch.
Hell I wish there were Soul-likes that had living settlements and towns outside the usual hub. I don't think "Soul-Likes" necessarily requires a setting that's grimdark and already dying or dead. That is my main criticism and problem with all soul-like games.
Zelda still manages to balance all that. Hell BotW is post-apocalypse but you still have several towns and villages (TotK being one of the biggest blown opportunities in the history of gaming for some reason not adding more towns and dungeons to top BotWs measly 4). Wind Waker also is post-apocalypse, though with very small settlements with the biggest being the underrated lively village of Windfall Island. Shit even Fallout has rebuilding nation-states like the NCR (outside the TV show but thats more Todd and Bethesda taking a blow torch to Obsidian/New Vegas canon).
Monster Hunter also manages this balance, looking at the variety of settlments and towns in what is still a very dangerous world.
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Square-Enix is a company that should've been absolutely dominating gaming but the leadership there is so incompetent that they threw it all away. They're too busy trying to chase trends to realize that they should stick to their roots.
They threw away their western studios and IPs for a quick buck but it was for chump change to a shit company which is now letting those IPs rot.
They threw away their western studios and IPs for a quick buck but it was for chump change to a shit company which is now letting those IPs rot.
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Say what you will about "Soulslikes", but From exposed so much modern 3D level design as set dressing.
DonDonDonPata
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Different kind of open worlds, really.
But even so, I'd love to see a not-totally-cursed fantasy world from FROM, with at least a few vibrant towns and smaller settlements, full of NPCs going about their business.
Dacon
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Yeah it's bizarre. They had amazing success with old school FF style games and made many of them in quick succession. Instead of capitalizing on that formula and making as many games in that style and porting them to as many consoles, theyve slowed development into a crawl and make games that barely resemble the products they made to begin with.
I agree. I love their worlds, but it's kinda sad all of them take place after the world has gone to ruin. The world in Elden Ring is technically full of life and activity, it's jut that all of it wants to kill you and nonviolent NPCs are in the minority.
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Very good point. Elden Ring does have "life", but it's out to get you. In the first area you have the giants hauling those big coffin-wagons around and the zombie peasants mining the rocks in certain spots. In the mines proper you have those crystaly dudes going about their business until you interrupt them.
The Elden Ring world is still moving along around you. You're just there to flatten it.
I think FROM could handle an open world survival RPG. The stakes would be high but it doesn't have to be so apocalyptic. Let me meet some survivors and build a city.
FROM's take on the Mount & Blade 2 format would be an absolute dream.
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Very good point. Elden Ring does have "life", but it's out to get you. In the first area you have the giants hauling those big coffin-wagons around and the zombie peasants mining the rocks in certain spots. In the mines proper you have those crystaly dudes going about their business until you interrupt them.
The Elden Ring world is still moving along around you. You're just there to flatten it.
The first time I encountered the singing vampires I was legit unnerved. I had no idea where tf the sound was coming from.
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I still say they should just abandon the rest of the Star Ocean series, and make Star Ocean 3 in the exact same style as SO2r, focusing on Claude, and Rena's kid.
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Should clarify, I felt engaged and in danger in Elden Ring, in FF7, I feel like I'm mopping up chores and everything is the same in each area.
Google house, open up chocobos, find towers, fight bad guys with very similar AI, it's not 100 always like this, but too often to a 70 hour game.
Honestly Zelda BotW feels like a good mix of engaging while still having villages, although the lack of presentation hurts it, it still feels like a good mix
Google house, open up chocobos, find towers, fight bad guys with very similar AI, it's not 100 always like this, but too often to a 70 hour game.
Honestly Zelda BotW feels like a good mix of engaging while still having villages, although the lack of presentation hurts it, it still feels like a good mix
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So basically a Star Ocean 7 that like every other Star Ocean post 3 ignores 3? I seriously wonder if they and the fans even want a Remaster of 3 which was near universally reviled unlike 2.
Still waiting for a Mass Effect/Xenoblade Tier Star Ocean.
Ramp up the things Second Story R did right, the things Divine Force did right though it lacked a budget/a lot along with the starship and ability to explore planets from 4, still the only game in the series that actually lets you do that?
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Then we have the Pixel Remaster sell over 5 million and is more expensive package. I bought 2, digital and physical for physical collection.
Wheres Chrono Trigger Swictch
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That's why @HE1NZ actually has a point. Square Enix as a company has never been great outside of a few titles here and there. Both Squaresoft and Enix were fantastic companies before the merger. I'd say the Enix side has carried the torch much better than the Square side.
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Funny meme, but I don't know if it's true. Squaresoft had plenty of duds. People just remember the gems. And even some of their "best" games like Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts were abominations.
List of Square video games - Wikipedia
Funny meme, but I don't know if it's true. Squaresoft had plenty of duds. People just remember the gems. And even some of their "best" games like Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts were abominations.
List of Square video games - Wikipedia
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I agree to an extent, I think Square like a lot of companies had a hard time adjusting from 2D to 3D and bringing their franchises over. I was never too big on Square after the SNES. But they were a powerhouse during the 16 bit Gen and released at least 2 all time masterpieces.
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Disagree. Bushido Blade, Tobal No. 1, Einhander… they came out the 3D gate like gangbusters. They had a head start on SGI workstations from the SNES days (Super Mario RPG, Treasure Hunter G).
Don't know if it's 100% true but it sure feels right lol. Have to look up when the buyout happened (edit: 2003), but the death happened with Spirits Within (2001).
…but that run from FFIV to Vagrant Story was madness. And they don't all have to be classics, games like Threads of Fate / Dew Prism, Chocobo Racing, Ehrgeiz are just solid quality titles. Can't think of a bonafide dud, at least that made it to the West. I didn't like Chrono Cross or Brave Fencer Musashi but they have their fans.
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Is it sink or swim for them yet? Maybe they'll start making great games again. I bought the Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection for the Nintendo Switch and I'm glad to have the game. One of these days I'll start it up and most likely will begin with either FFIV, FFV, or FFVI with the likelihood of playing FFVI, FFIV, and FFV in that order
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I'm always eyeing that collection for a sale. FFV I never managed to play more than a couple of hours on an emulator, but it's the most intriguing to me. FFVI has such a fast pace story-wise compared to modern RPGs I think that would be really fun to play now too.
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They need to take a long hard look at what they are doing with Final Fantasy because the joy is kind of gone from the series. I want more fantasy and less grit. The FF7 remakes are pretty good but I'd take a brand new FF done in the HD-2D style with pretty colors and beautiful cut scenes.
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Yup, agreed. I was very intrigued at the prospect of FFXVI until I realized they had little vision for it besides war, war, and turmoil and more war, based on the last trailers that were given. Didn't feel like diving into that without some lighthearted portions and humor after already playing FFXII: The Zodiac Age which has some very heavy war themes. Rpgs are huge time commitments so if there wasn't going to be much variety and a world filled with an unpredictable adventure then I was out. And I was out. Immediately my hype for the game died when I saw no trace of the fantasy side. It was just war plus magic to my eyes, which is boring
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Praying they have not done the same shit with Dragon Quest XII.
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I'm curious to see what they do with that game too. The previous title is called one of the best DQ games by many fans, and it's one of the highest ranked games on the Nintendo Switch. I tried not to spoil anything for myself but I do know that it has an interesting modern overworld and retro overworld kind of style or fusion of some sort. That's about all I know, so I have no clue where the story might land
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I would strongly recommand Dragon Quest XI as one of the best games and RPGs of the past 20 years.
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Even SE's cashcow FF14 is losing players and at it's lowest point in years. They've been stuck on the same stale content release schedule every expansion. One weak expansion with a dumb story was enough to break things. The cultist like community would attack anyone who criticized the game slightly and now even they can't defend the game.