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Thread: Nintendo Switch 2 launches June 5 for $449 (Update: Pre-orders begin April 24 in the U.S. and Canada)
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Linus Tech Tips used to be the same. I think even if youtubers try to be unbiased, they tend to be more critical of systems they don't use very often and are more supportive of systems that they do use more often.
I also think that because the Switch 2/PS5 & XSX gap is smaller than last gen, there are fewer upsides to the more powerful consoles. Even with the newer GPUs, there are less and less games that really require the extra power provided.
If Elden Ring and Cyberpunk run okay on the Switch 2, there are less reasons to go out and buy a more powerful console or PC.
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They liked the Switch but ever since they got hands on exclusive with PS5 Pro before launch. They've been down on Switch 2, shooting down just about every good spec rumors before Switch 2 teaser and up to Switch 2 Direct.
Maybe that's why DF didn't get invited to press events day of and after the Switch 2 Direct.
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Anyone tech spec focused isn't likely to be taken by Nintendo hardware
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Chozofication
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Mini rant / observations here - but they don't, except John. But even he bs's about Nintendo hardware like how in the world is switch xbox 360 level hardware? With 8x the ram and ~ decade newer (and faster) gpu. Luigi's mansion 3 is 1080p with lighting rarely seen on ps4. 360 games were 720p at best.
Similarly Switch 2 is obviously not ps4 level hardware. Certain games that are quickly ported and don't use nvidia features or the extra ram for anything aren't a good reference. Quick and dirty ports have always been a thing.
What is stupid about people saying stuff like this is how many of these people said xbox was massively better than ps2 hardware? Switch vs. 360 is a bigger difference.
Their statements are more about expectations of hardware improvement over time and not objective comparisons.
Switch 2 has 120hz support, at least twice the usable ram for games and again ~ decade newer gpu.
It's early but right now I would call it ps4 pro level EDIT : gpu with the other hardware bits having better features/ram/cpu. Evidenced by mario kart being 1440p (a common ps4 pro resolution) and not using dlss. Honestly it kind of looks how I would expect a mario kart game on ps4 to look, except maybe higher textures. I was honestly expecting "MK9" to be more of a showcase.
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Don't think I ever posted it, but my studio had Switch 2 SDKs for a while before the 4/2 reveal. Apparently they had been sequestered to a tiny group of people for research. Not sure when they got them or where they had them under lock and key. But the day after ther reveal they started sharing details with a wider group. Like all new platforms its still "need to know" only disclosure. But at least we are now talking about the platform openly in technical meetings.
What's funny is that we seem to be more interested in Nintendo's patching process than the HW its self. Nintendo still has the same process as the Switch (which is archaic), but apparently they are telling studios that are open to conversations on updating to align better with PS/XB process. So maybe if enough studios/publishers raise the concern, they will improve it....MAYBE.
What's funny is that we seem to be more interested in Nintendo's patching process than the HW its self. Nintendo still has the same process as the Switch (which is archaic), but apparently they are telling studios that are open to conversations on updating to align better with PS/XB process. So maybe if enough studios/publishers raise the concern, they will improve it....MAYBE.
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Isn't this the point of that "Game Key" or am I missing something? If you give me your key card, I can download and play the game and you can't until I give it back, and that ought to work for n users… like a physical cart.
The real issue then becomes when the Switch 2 servers shut down these things become useless.
You're getting some benefits of physical — not all, and removing some of the flaws of digital, but not all. (sharing and reselling)
Not a perfect solution but it seems like a lifeline to physical more than a funneling to digital…. unless I'm missing something about how it works.
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lock2k
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Shitty part is Switch eshop used to be blazing fast… Used to be able to race it against the PS4 shop and you could get to the purchase page before PS4 could load the store…. god forbid you press up and load the full screen movie, that's your day gone lol. I think when they started doing the slideshow on hover it started getting really awful.
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Yea, terribly laggy. Unless I know what I want, I don't search.
Another bad thing is if I search, I select something to look at. I change mind or buy, I can't go back to where I left off. I would have to start from first page and scroll through every page again.
Hope they fixed that!
What I mean is this: in order to keep your games enhanced and updated, Nintendo wants to tie you into their paid subscription. Neither Sony nor Microsoft is doing this. Yeah Microsoft remastered the Age of Empires games, and Sony lets you stream/buy old PS2 games, but this is different. To get upgrades/enhanced on SW2, you're either paying for a digital DLC key or you're subscribing. This "ties you in" to their system.
The digital key carts are great, all things considered. I don't have a gripe against those specifically, though they are also an example of tying customers into the online ecosystem.
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Agreed. I'm just hoping I'm able to pre-order hassle free. I'll be very annoyed if I somehow am unable to secure one.
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There are still about 2500 stores! So about 250k for GameStop on launch day? If you account preorders and launch day for all retailers! They really shipped and are expecting big launch!!
I'll try walking in to the games store and getting a Switch 2 on launch day just for funsies. I'm not in a rush, but I'll be getting the Switch 2 eventually anyway.
I just hope that people aren't silly enough to overspend on a Switch 2 on ebay because of scalpers. The only way to defeat the scalpers is to not give them any of your money.
I just hope that people aren't silly enough to overspend on a Switch 2 on ebay because of scalpers. The only way to defeat the scalpers is to not give them any of your money.
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There should be over 3,000 worldwide still but yea that number sounds about right for the US
Zog
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They charged full price for 1-2 Switch.
Welcome Tour is a generous price
What if they didn't charge full price BECAUSE of the controversy?
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That I doubt. Cancelling the preorder date will probably make more people try and preorder when it does become available. I think pre-order cancellation is all about allocating units worldwide, so unless the current tariff status is a green light to jam the ports with containers of Switches from now until June (no idea), it's probably not going to meet the initial demand by quite a lot. I predict Switch Alerts all year all over again.
When I say "hassle free" I don't mean be able to slack off, and preorder a week after it goes on sale. I just mean be sitting at my computer with tabs open for a few of the main stores the moment it goes live and actually be able to get an order through. Still think that'll be next to impossible? I sure hope not.
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DF is really set up to appeal to proper hobbyists.
Looking at pixel counts and frame-rates and talking about lighting is real super nerd enthusiast stuff.
Their videos give super enthusiasts something to swoon over and there's obviously a decent audience for that.
Sure, my new game is trying to tell me how strong and powerful women can be and how men just need to show their emotions more or some dumb LGBTQ stuff but look at that lighting and that silky smooth 60 fps! Shut the fuck up.
I don't think people really get Nintendo stuff for the frames per second or the chance to see some ray-tracing and this is kind of the main things that Digital Foundry are into.
The Nintendo Chud is into premium gameplay at premium prices. His kid wants one for Xmas but the prices never go down? Who cares! He's got the cash on him and he'll buy two. Who gives a crap about nerd shit like lighting and framerates? If his first-born is caught pirating Nintendo games then it's grounded for a year and straight to bed with no supper. Of course, he's growing his family so he can buy Nintendo consoles for all of his offspring.
Digital Foundry Simps are into graphics and cuckoldry. Men going into debt to buy a $700 PS5 Pro or Steam Deck with no games so that he can listen intently to the quality of the 3D Audio and count the number of frames per second in his "man cave" while his wife is being rode rotten in the master bedroom. Probably uses the console to watch Netflix and YouTube only. Wife's boyfriend is here and DF just dropped a 30 minute breakdown of the lighting quality of the latest AAA slop!? To the
cryptoadam
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I think DFs cyberpunk analysis shows that the Switch 2 is somewhere between the PS4pro and Series S.
Its running next gen exclusive DLC but at PS4ish settings. It does drop frames but that's in the same areas that the next gen system drops frames. Also though this is an old build so some of the frame issues could be resolved
CPU seems to be the one place that the Switch will come up short so games may face a bottleneck there.
The system will do things the PS4 was never going to do like 120 fps 4k output or running next gen games like the Cyberpunk DLC.
The CPU is what will limit the system in catching up to a series S and it's possible that last gen pro systems might run some games a bit better in some areas.
I also think DLSS and RT might be to expensive for the system. If DLSS was possible I think we would see some launch games using it to upscale to 4k or get better frames
Its running next gen exclusive DLC but at PS4ish settings. It does drop frames but that's in the same areas that the next gen system drops frames. Also though this is an old build so some of the frame issues could be resolved
CPU seems to be the one place that the Switch will come up short so games may face a bottleneck there.
The system will do things the PS4 was never going to do like 120 fps 4k output or running next gen games like the Cyberpunk DLC.
The CPU is what will limit the system in catching up to a series S and it's possible that last gen pro systems might run some games a bit better in some areas.
I also think DLSS and RT might be to expensive for the system. If DLSS was possible I think we would see some launch games using it to upscale to 4k or get better frames
Mostly agree. But I think we'll see DLSS. The whole point of the tech is to get more frames cheaper. RT on the other hand probably doesn't make much sense to use much on this level of hardware.
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Next week sounds about right. Announce it around MK World Direct this Thursday!
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Ya but DLSS is costly on the GPU. Those extra frames come at a cost.
If DLSS was going to be used i think one of the launch games would have used it. Especially Cyberpunk that could have got a 60fps mode with DLSS.
Its possible Devs just didn't have a chance to get around the hardware yet so they haven't implemented it. But if no launch games have DLSS especially something like 2077 I will be suspect on its use.
I think eventually someone will use it but I don't think it will be wide spread and probably on lower end games.
I mean MK is running at 1440P why not use DLSS to upscale to 4K ?
Its there confirmed by Nvidia themselves just i don't know if the GPU cost is too much to use it on taxing games.
"a bit slow / laggy?" The thing is borderline unusable. They've probably lost tens of millions at a minimum due to how shitty the store experience was.
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Yeah it was "a bit slow/laggy" on launch day, which was already laughable. Fast forward seven years and the thing is an absolute shitshow. I wouldn't be surprised if they've lost piles of dough because of it, I know myself I've been browsing the store or looking for something and have said "alright screw this shit" and moved on without making a purchase because the entire experience is so dreadful.
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So I help my brother by selling things on ebay for him to get new console launches and things like that.
He said he had a 20th Anniversary Pokemon edition Nintendo 3DS in his closet. I figured ok a 3DS, maybe we get 100 bucks for him. Nope, it turns out that this thing is worth a lot of $$. It sold this morning for a little over $1200
So he's got his Switch 2 fully paid for and will be getting accessories and games and expanded memory and all that shit too. Now I gotta figure out how to justify paying for my own Switch 2 lol
He said he had a 20th Anniversary Pokemon edition Nintendo 3DS in his closet. I figured ok a 3DS, maybe we get 100 bucks for him. Nope, it turns out that this thing is worth a lot of $$. It sold this morning for a little over $1200
So he's got his Switch 2 fully paid for and will be getting accessories and games and expanded memory and all that shit too. Now I gotta figure out how to justify paying for my own Switch 2 lol
