[HeresJohnny]

Good points, I don't think it has to go as far as campaigning Resetera though, with a campaign and micro analyzing everything, but it can go as far as if the direct product regardless of the creators is compromised to a point where you're enjoyment is affected, don't buy it.

Resetera is would be more inclined to try and boycott the Mario movie because Chris Pratt is a Christian, thats gonna drive anyone nuts holding that standard.

But if you don't like Christian messaging and they say, had Mario now tell everyone to be Christian, its directly affecting the product you're paying for and its an easy no buy if you're not into that.

But you're absolutely right, militant boycotting over every offensive action of everyone involved in a product isn't possible, and isn't q standard we should hold each other to.

Entertainment is optional. Like, the more options and sources I have for entertainment, the more picky I can be. If a company openly promotes itself to be at odds with something I don't like it lowers the chances I'll entertain myself with that instead of something else.

 

[ManofTwo]

Its low hanging fruit for a PR department, I wouldn't read too much into it. They know what side their bread is buttered.

This pretty much. I have no quarrel with this.
As long as it doesn't affect productivity or raise cost significantly.

Btw to a comment above not @Hostile_18 comment but someone says it's the "company"s money"

No it isn't CPR is a publicly company and his has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders. So it's the shareholders money and they decide if this is best use of capital.

In the end as I said these programs get outrageously bloated and not only shareholders get burned but so do the employees because they have to cut costs which typically leads to lays offs.

 

[regawdless]

Hope people scrutinise all the company's they buy products from, with this kind of eye for detail lol. None of us would buy anything. Period. Might as well just throw in the towel now. Just don't care, and keep your sanitary in check.

I mean, I just want to play games and to be left alone, I don't want any culture war BS. I don't want to die on any hill or fight for anything, I want to turn off my brain and have fun.

Unfortunately, some elites and most powerful companies in the world decided to radically reshape society and change the understanding of the very core of our existence by forcing it through companies and politics. The CEOs from Blackrock and Vanguard are openly saying this in interviews.

That's what DEI is all about and it's not some little "detail". They suck us into this shit, it's not like gamers came up with that. My motivation for making this thread was to inform people that this formerly based and fun oriented game developer now became an ally to this radical cause by becoming a DEI champion with DEI departments, DEI hires, policies and being in the chokehold of the DEI money. Which inevitably will affect the writing, stories and the characters of upcoming games.

It all sucks so hard, but I don't think covering up my eyes and singing "lalalalala" pretending to not hear anything would be good for my sanity mid term. I much rather pay attention and purchase games without that shit, there are more than enough games out there to consume for me. Why should I give people my money who want to actively brainwash me and my kids into dumb ass ideas that are harmful.

We got here because a tiny radical group kept pushing hard and everyone else said exactly what you just said. That's not something we should be proud of or advice others to do tbh.

 

[Hostile_18]

I mean, I just want to play games and to be left alone, I don't want any culture war BS. I don't want to die on any hill or fight for anything, I want to turn off my brain and have fun.

Unfortunately, some elites and most powerful companies in the world decided to radically reshape society and change the understanding of the very core of our existence by forcing it through companies and politics. The CEOs from Blackrock and Vanguard are openly saying this in interviews.

That's what DEI is all about and it's not some little "detail". They suck us into this shit, it's not like gamers came up with that. My motivation for making this thread was to inform people that this formerly based and fun oriented game developer now became an ally to this radical cause by becoming a DEI champion with DEI departments, DEI hires, policies and being in the chokehold of the DEI money. Which inevitably will affect the writing, stories and the characters of upcoming games.

It all sucks so hard, but I don't think covering up my eyes and singing "lalalalala" pretending to not hear anything would be good for my sanity mid term. I much rather pay attention and purchase games without that shit, there are more than enough games out there to consume for me. Why should I give people my money who want to actively brainwash me and my kids into dumb ass ideas that are harmful.

We got here because a tiny radical group kept pushing hard and everyone else said exactly what you just said. That's not something we should be proud of or advice others to do tbh.

But my point is what makes this worse than anything else companies do? Plus were talking about a internal company policy. Like fair enough if the next game has all this forced DEI, I'll likely be right there with you. When companies push too hard they will suffer, i.e the new Assassin's Creed. Let them hear your voice on the subject, but I think a boycott for this is too over reactionary.

But we all have our own values and line in the sand. If someone dosn't want to buy a product for any reason, I'm not going to tell them their wrong.

Unless its a Naughty Dog game

 

[regawdless]

But my point is what makes this worse than anything else companies do? Plus were talking about a internal company policy. Like fair enough if the next game has all this forced DEI, I'll likely be right there with you. When companies push too hard they will suffer, i.e the new Assassin's Creed. Let them hear your voice on the subject, but I think a boycott for this is too over reactionary.

But we all have our own values and line in the sand. If someone dosn't want to buy a product for any reason, I'm not going to tell them their wrong.

Unless its a Naughty Dog game

It's Naughty Gods, you infidel.

To your point, videogames, in contrast to many other products, are actively being abused to spread the message. Videogames have been pretty much targeted and hijacked. Did you see the latest internal documents from Activision and Co where they forced DEI dictators into every dev team to ensure the games spread the message? In these companies, the message became a mandatory and integral part of the creative process.

That's why I care, because I know that some retards work their asses off to manipulate me into giving into their radical BS, sometimes more obvious, sometimes it's a lighter touch, but the motivation is the same in both cases. And I'm even expected to pay them for it. Like.... How about no. I'll gladly play other games and support other devs. I have more than enough options, a ton of awesome games out there for me, especially in the indie space.

I draw a hard line because they do.

 

[Hostile_18]

It's Naughty Gods, you infidel.

To your point, videogames, in contrast to many other products, are actively being abused to spread the message. Videogames have been pretty much targeted and hijacked. Did you see the latest internal documents from Activision and Co where they forced DEI dictators into every dev team to ensure the games spread the message? In these companies, the message becomes a mandatory and integral part of the creative process.

That's why I care, because I know that some retards work their asses off to manipulate me into giving into their radical BS, sometimes more obvious, sometimes it's a lighter touch, but the motivation is the same in both cases. And I'm even expected to pay them for it. Like.... How about no. I'll gladly play other games and support other devs. I have more than enough options, a ton of awesome games out there for me, especially in the indie space.

I draw a hard line because they do.

I get what your saying, but I don't think were there yet with CD Projekt.

Tv shows and movies are targeted the same. I love Doctor Who, but that has become really bad for it.

I mean if 95% of the employees don't believe in it, it seems harsh to not buy it on mass.

When Uncharted 5 comes out (this year?) if it as woke elements it will simply be in the negative category, but I'm going to have so much fun regawdless that I can't justify missing out on such a good time.

It's not like pointing out negatives in things but still buying it hasn't resulted in change with previous games. I'm not as convinced its all or nothing.

 

[regawdless]

I get what your saying, but I don't think were there yet with CD Projekt.

Tv shows and movies are targeted the same. I love Doctor Who, but that has become really bad for it.

I mean if 95% of the employees don't believe in it, it seems harsh to not buy it on mass.

When Uncharted 5 comes out (this year?) if it as woke elements it will simply be in the negative category, but I'm going to have so much fun regawdless that I can't justify missing out on such a good time.

It's not like pointing out negatives in things but still buying it hasn't resulted in change with previous games. I'm not as convinced its all or nothing.

I wouldn't necessarily say CDPR aren't there yet.

Cyberpunk released four years ago and leading up to the game, they already caved in and implemented all kinds on diverse characters and stories, black gay cop to date, lesbian love option side character, very positive and empowering trans character with a bunch of missions etc. It was very inclusive and checked all the boxes. Was very well done and well written, one of my favorite games of all time but yeah, a ton of stuff was in there that hasn't been in their stories before.

Since then, they embraced the DEI even more, embedded it into their company and culture, became DEI Champions. Makes me think they are already there but that it'll obviously show when their next game will be released.

Most aren't aware and think it's some rather conservative Polish dev, but that's long gone. They're an international DEI driven company now. How much that'll influence their next games, we will see. But we should keep our expectations in check.

 

[teezzy]

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

Are we sure its women?

I think the policy includes dilation leave too

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

Menstrual leave is a good thing

Stfu

In the short-term, the peace and quiet is a huge benefit. I agree.

In the long-term, women's productivity will go down even further which will increase the full-time earnings gap which Democrats will use as an excuse to tax you more.

 

[Grinchy]

This 24 year old woman once went on a rant about how women have it harder (she's the laziest person there) and it was like 2 days after saying something about how she can't do something because it's something men should do.

She'll probably be CEO one day.

 

[regawdless]

Of course, Pride month logo

 

[teezzy]

Muh culture war

 

[Be-Gone]

Of course, Pride month logo

That's nothing new. They've been changing the logo for years now.

But I would agree there are worrying signs:

1. DEI department with staff exclusively dedicated to DEI initiatives
This is the classic conundrum, as these people will quite logically look for opportunities to show their job is needed.

2. Far-left devs at high ranking positions.
It may have escaped some, but Philipp Weber
, currently Narrative Director on the new Witcher Saga, and, especially, Patrick K. Mills, in charge of Franchise development/Presumably Project Hadat inceptor, lean heavily, heavily to the left.

3. New US Boston studio
Given current cultural climate in the game dev industry, it would be unbelievable to think moving to the US, recruiting top US seasoned devs, will somehow not reflect upon Cyberpunk Orion.


It's not looking great, but maybe things will turn out for the best.

 

[regawdless]

Muh culture war

Agree, I hate that they're pushing it so hard.

 

[Be-Gone]

Muh culture war

Are you bent on downplaying the culture wars?

 

[teezzy]

Are you bent on downplaying the culture wars?

Im woke

 

[Be-Gone]

Im woke

Figures.

 

[regawdless]

So there's this whole X thing going on right now where the CEO of CDPR was claiming they don't do DEI.

Now everyone is throwing the receipts at them. Kinda hilarious. The CEO is such a retard, going all in with DEI, very openly, proud of it. Then suddenly.... "Don't believe your eyes and ears, it's not happening". While having a dedicated DEI manager and all. Remarkable.

 

[WesternBlood]

Red as a symbol of this is appropriate.

Communism persists as it gets bandied about and put into public like an achievement, all the while roping in men who pretend to be women are now also contractually included in destroying productivity.

It starts as a geeewhiz let the heckin' wimmin bleed out at home, there used to be menstrual huts for this, and now let's get rid of the patriarchy. What appears to be benign and an act of kindness for women turns into another wedge used by DEI to subvert society.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

 

[WesternBlood]

 

[CAPTAIN RAINCOAT]

i actually think thats a good thing ...from having a mrs who literally shuts down when the engine is doing its oil change

 

[regawdless]

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I'm telling you, Blackrock are a bunch of ****.

 

[FreddyFooker]

It's a very bad sign for a company if they have a low percentage of 40+ years old devs, who know the domain, how to plan and there's a load of lower age green devs who havnt got a clue but are highly opinionated.

The 40+ guys have families, mortgage i.e. redponsibilites and care about the company, the 20-40 age range couldn't give a fu*k and will up and leave tomorrow if they get a better job.

 

[regawdless]

It's a very bad sign for a company if they have a low percentage of 40+ years old devs, who know the domain, how to plan and there's a load of lower age green devs who havnt got a clue but are highly opinionated.

The 40+ guys have families, mortgage i.e. redponsibilites and care about the company, the 20-40 age range couldn't give a fu*k and will up and leave tomorrow if they get a better job.

It's a very bad sign if a company has many women tbh. 100 nerd dudes will create a better game than 100 women. Change my mind.