The "Controversial" Gaming Opinion Thread

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The story of the second half of Xenoblade Chronicles sucks. I am so sick of bad guys being good guys and good guys being bad guys. It is so overdone and so stupid. The first half of the story was good but it just started unravelling when you crossed to the other monster.
 
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Return to Krondor > Betrayal at Krondor

Sorry but the ugly outdoor primitive 3d open world and the repetitive dungeons doesn't hold up well.

Yes it's still a good game but even back then, especially with the wall of text, made it kind of a slog.

I get people didn't like Return to Krondor but I think it's better in every way. Graphics were good and varied, there was speech, no huge walls of text just to describe opening a fucking treasure chest and imo a better story.

I do think it would be cool if they perhaps remade Betrayal at Krondor. Or even just continued with new games based off the books or on the same world.
 
Apparently there's a market for women protagonists who look like men. Returnal, Control, Last of Us....
 
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Apparently there's a market for women protagonists who look like men. Returnal, Control, Last of Us....
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I like 2/3 of those and will probably play Returnal. I've said it so many damn times... I'll play anything if its fun, identifying with the protagonist is not important to me. Will I complain? Sure, I think in TLOU II they could have made the chars prettier, the most glaring and obvious one is how they have flashbacks to TLOU 1 where they don't use the actual TLOU 1 footage because it doesn't fit their less cute adult Ellie, it's clear she'd have grown up to be prettier, I think they covered up for this by claiming it was to avoid Ellen Paige's need to sue them but Ellie would have been prettier than that tranny. But it's a minor quibble, the main character can be Jim Sterling after his sex change operation and I'd still play it if it was fun. Did I play Super Mario Bros. or Donkey Kong Country because I IDENTIFIED with those protags? Nope. Control I think is just some weirdness with their character creator, every character in the game, male or female has sort of weird faces and honestly the protag gets away with the least weird face of the bunch, but sure the actual actress is more attractive. Returnal, yeah, she looks like an ugly dyke but again, if the game's fun I'm there.

I think it's important to voice our displeasure with this shit but does it stop me playing a game? Nope.
 
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Explosive Zombie said:
I like 2/3 of those and will probably play Returnal. I've said it so many damn times... I'll play anything if its fun, identifying with the protagonist is not important to me. Will I complain? Sure, I think in TLOU II they could have made the chars prettier, the most glaring and obvious one is how they have flashbacks to TLOU 1 where they don't use the actual TLOU 1 footage because it doesn't fit their less cute adult Ellie, it's clear she'd have grown up to be prettier, I think they covered up for this by claiming it was to avoid Ellen Paige's need to sue them but Ellie would have been prettier than that tranny. But it's a minor quibble, the main character can be Jim Sterling after his sex change operation and I'd still play it if it was fun. Did I play Super Mario Bros. or Donkey Kong Country because I IDENTIFIED with those protags? Nope. Control I think is just some weirdness with their character creator, every character in the game, male or female has sort of weird faces and honestly the protag gets away with the least weird face of the bunch, but sure the actual actress is more attractive. Returnal, yeah, she looks like an ugly dyke but again, if the game's fun I'm there.

I think it's important to voice our displeasure with this shit but does it stop me playing a game? Nope.
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Agreed. I'm getting a little bored with some people's obsession with the 'Woke Quotient' aspect of media. I've spoken out elsewhere of my general disdain for TLOU2 in terms of its narrative, but I don't take issue with its woke overtures so much as find them wholly incongruous to the games fictive settings that seem entirely at odds with its world-building. In a world that diverges from our own sometime in 1993 (IIRC) it just doesn't make a lot of sense. In large part, though that's because the writers have firmly written many of the older characters as retrograde archetypes (almost painfully 1950s style) versus bed them down as teens/20 somethings in 1993.
 
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Agreed. I'm getting a little bored with some people's obsession with the 'Woke Quotient' aspect of media. I've spoken out elsewhere of my general disdain for TLOU2 in terms of its narrative, but I don't take issue with its woke overtures so much as find them wholly incongruous to the games fictive settings that seem entirely at odds with its world-building. In a world that diverges from our own sometime in 1993 (IIRC) it just doesn't make a lot of sense. In large part, though that's because the writers have firmly written many of the older characters as retrograde archetypes (almost painfully 1950s style) versus bed them down as teens/20 somethings in 1993.
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I think it was current to the year TLOU 1 came out, you can find dusty PS3s in peoples homes and stuff. I'd argue the lesbian stuff might be pushed against in a society attempting to rebuild but they make it clear Jackson is flourishing and has plenty of children. The tranny sub-plot does stretch it a little but it also follows the same tropes we've seen often in say fantasy fiction, a girl is going to be forced to marry a village elder so shaves her head and tries to be one of the warriors to escape that... like that's pretty common stuff, it felt like they added a bit more current year trans stuff to it maybe but nothing over the top. The main narrative is about revenge with a conflict that parallels Israel/Palestine, it's not pro-revenge and it glorifies neither side of the war, it's deep with nuance to it, the wokeisms are mostly window dressing, if Abby was a man, if a character wasn't trans, the narrative remains fundamentally the same because those aren't the most important aspects of the narrative. But there is some incongruity, I can see it.

I said it in another thread, I'm powering through The Boys Season 2 as well and from what I understand the ACTUAL CORE OF THE STORY is woke, but I'm still going to do it. I've always valued my entertainment over my political beliefs and nothing is ever 100% perfect. I also don't want it to reach this point where we're seeing things that aren't there because we're so VIGILANT about woke stuff. Like would Arya in Game of Thrones pretending to be a boy/confused for a boy and being a "strong woman" be considered woke if the show had started recently? Most people loved her character but that was before we started getting so fed up with this stuff, nevermind if you were reading the book which date back to the '90s.

The worst thing about the woke injection into media, for me, is making certain characters Mary/Gary Stus... they have no flaws, are always right and are beyond uninteresting. Rey was only well-liked due to the natural charisma of Daisy Ridley as a person, as a character she's thoroughly uninteresting and many more like her who have no charisma have come and gone (looking at you Brie Larson). That's when woke actually ruins a narrative for me, when it gives us bad characters, one thing TLOU II did right was keep the characters flawed and interesting, Abby could have easily been this strong woman who's always right and the best at everything, but they didn't go that route, I won't say more because of spoilers but trust me, they avoided that problem.
 
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I think it was current to the year TLOU 1 came out, you can find dusty PS3s in peoples homes and stuff. I'd argue the lesbian stuff might be pushed against in a society attempting to rebuild but they make it clear Jackson is flourishing and has plenty of children. The tranny sub-plot does stretch it a little but it also follows the same tropes we've seen often in say fantasy fiction, a girl is going to be forced to marry a village elder so shaves her head and tries to be one of the warriors to escape that... like that's pretty common stuff, it felt like they added a bit more current year trans stuff to it maybe but nothing over the top. The main narrative is about revenge with a conflict that parallels Israel/Palestine, it's not pro-revenge and it glorifies neither side of the war, it's deep with nuance to it, the wokeisms are mostly window dressing, if Abby was a man, if a character wasn't trans, the narrative remains fundamentally the same because those aren't the most important aspects of the narrative. But there is some incongruity, I can see it.

I said it in another thread, I'm powering through The Boys Season 2 as well and from what I understand the ACTUAL CORE OF THE STORY is woke, but I'm still going to do it. I've always valued my entertainment over my political beliefs and nothing is ever 100% perfect. I also don't want it to reach this point where we're seeing things that aren't there because we're so VIGILANT about woke stuff. Like would Arya in Game of Thrones pretending to be a boy/confused for a boy and being a "strong woman" be considered woke if the show had started recently? Most people loved her character but that was before we started getting so fed up with this stuff, nevermind if you were reading the book which date back to the '90s.

The worst thing about the woke injection into media, for me, is making certain characters Mary/Gary Stus... they have no flaws, are always right and are beyond uninteresting. Rey was only well-liked due to the natural charisma of Daisy Ridley as a person, as a character she's thoroughly uninteresting and many more like her who have no charisma have come and gone (looking at you Brie Larson). That's when woke actually ruins a narrative for me, when it gives us bad characters, one thing TLOU II did right was keep the characters flawed and interesting, Abby could have easily been this strong woman who's always right and the best at everything, but they didn't go that route, I won't say more because of spoilers but trust me, they avoided that problem.
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Ultimately everything lives or dies on the quality of the writing and the world-building. With reference to TLOU2 for instance, the world-building of the SCARs falls flat because within the time frame of the fictive universe it makes little sense that culturally this entire enclave would have fallen over into deifying someone they actively knew within the space of a dozen or so years. Even Waypoint (the wokest of gaming website you'd imagine) took issue with a lot of the game's plot and world-building to the extent that they dedicated a 2 part 6 hour podcast to dismantling it :-



Absolutely savaged it
 
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Ultimately everything lives or dies on the quality of the writing and the world-building. With reference to TLOU2 for instance, the world-building of the SCARs falls flat because within the time frame of the fictive universe it makes little sense that culturally this entire enclave would have fallen over into deifying someone they actively knew within the space of a dozen or so years. Even Waypoint (the wokest of gaming website you'd imagine) took issue with a lot of the game's plot and world-building to the extent that they dedicated a 2 part 6 hour podcast to dismantling it :-



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I'd have to see but my impression was the Scars had existed since the earliest days of the outbreak, that the person they deify is from the onset and not currently living.
 
i almost gave up on third person modes and still think the perspective is kinda garbo, aka 'over-the-shoulder' views where avatars make or break the experience

control brought me back to the light, stellar physics and rendering techniques thanks to the northlight engine

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Northlight - Remedy

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Explosive Zombie said:
I like 2/3 of those and will probably play Returnal. I've said it so many damn times... I'll play anything if its fun, identifying with the protagonist is not important to me. Will I complain? Sure, I think in TLOU II they could have made the chars prettier, the most glaring and obvious one is how they have flashbacks to TLOU 1 where they don't use the actual TLOU 1 footage because it doesn't fit their less cute adult Ellie, it's clear she'd have grown up to be prettier, I think they covered up for this by claiming it was to avoid Ellen Paige's need to sue them but Ellie would have been prettier than that tranny. But it's a minor quibble, the main character can be Jim Sterling after his sex change operation and I'd still play it if it was fun. Did I play Super Mario Bros. or Donkey Kong Country because I IDENTIFIED with those protags? Nope. Control I think is just some weirdness with their character creator, every character in the game, male or female has sort of weird faces and honestly the protag gets away with the least weird face of the bunch, but sure the actual actress is more attractive. Returnal, yeah, she looks like an ugly dyke but again, if the game's fun I'm there.

I think it's important to voice our displeasure with this shit but does it stop me playing a game? Nope.
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And that's why they keep making this fucking garbitch.

Explosive Zombie said:
I think it was current to the year TLOU 1 came out, you can find dusty PS3s in peoples homes and stuff. I'd argue the lesbian stuff might be pushed against in a society attempting to rebuild but they make it clear Jackson is flourishing and has plenty of children. The tranny sub-plot does stretch it a little but it also follows the same tropes we've seen often in say fantasy fiction, a girl is going to be forced to marry a village elder so shaves her head and tries to be one of the warriors to escape that... like that's pretty common stuff, it felt like they added a bit more current year trans stuff to it maybe but nothing over the top. The main narrative is about revenge with a conflict that parallels Israel/Palestine, it's not pro-revenge and it glorifies neither side of the war, it's deep with nuance to it, the wokeisms are mostly window dressing, if Abby was a man, if a character wasn't trans, the narrative remains fundamentally the same because those aren't the most important aspects of the narrative. But there is some incongruity, I can see it.

I said it in another thread, I'm powering through The Boys Season 2 as well and from what I understand the ACTUAL CORE OF THE STORY is woke, but I'm still going to do it. I've always valued my entertainment over my political beliefs and nothing is ever 100% perfect. I also don't want it to reach this point where we're seeing things that aren't there because we're so VIGILANT about woke stuff. Like would Arya in Game of Thrones pretending to be a boy/confused for a boy and being a "strong woman" be considered woke if the show had started recently? Most people loved her character but that was before we started getting so fed up with this stuff, nevermind if you were reading the book which date back to the '90s.

The worst thing about the woke injection into media, for me, is making certain characters Mary/Gary Stus... they have no flaws, are always right and are beyond uninteresting. Rey was only well-liked due to the natural charisma of Daisy Ridley as a person, as a character she's thoroughly uninteresting and many more like her who have no charisma have come and gone (looking at you Brie Larson). That's when woke actually ruins a narrative for me, when it gives us bad characters, one thing TLOU II did right was keep the characters flawed and interesting, Abby could have easily been this strong woman who's always right and the best at everything, but they didn't go that route, I won't say more because of spoilers but trust me, they avoided that problem.
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Stockholm Syndrome: the post
 
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Quality posting like always, Brap.
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Alright here let me shit out a 5 paragraph essay of autism that describes basically everybody on here.
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
WAH WAH THIS THING WOKE
WAH WAH I CONSUMED THING THAT'S WOKE AND NOW I'M UPSET
 
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It's not Stockholm syndrome, that's not how that works lol, it's "thing I love has bits of thing I hate now injected into it" Stockholm syndrome would imply you hated it from the start but are letting it grow on you or something. I've loved Naughty Dog games since Uncharted 1, it's unfortunate some of the things they've done to them but the core of what makes them enjoyable is still there. I loved The Boys Season 1, I'll see if the core of what made season 1 great remains through season 2. Though, I have had stockholm syndrome pushed on me by people "get past the first 10 hours of x game, get past the first 5 episodes of y show" and I'm pretty much always like NOPE. I'm not upset by TLOU II, fantastic game.

Anyways... here's a Brap post...

WAH WAH PERSON LIKES THING I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD LIKE, I'M UPSET
 
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I'm not getting involved, lol.

I will say a lot of my frustration with 'It's woke and I hate that, but I'm going to buy anyway.' viewpoints, is that the longer people don't reject this crap, the more we all have to put up with it. I think that's where Brap comes from also.

Woke didn't ruin The Boys for you, but for me, short of YouTubing some clips of Jenson Ackles' debut on the show, because I like him a lot, it completely ended any fun I could have. I mean, didn't they say Pewdiepie was a Nazi? Lol. I can't bankroll or even tolerate that level of ideological insanity.

As long as people don't say no, this will continue forever.
 
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But I do get liking something that only has a little woke in it. I don't care if Control stars Jesse Man-Jaw, if it's a fun experience all the way out, and nothing else is touched by it.

To some extent, it's a balance. We all want to have entertainment, in a time where sanity has departed. What are we willing to put up with, what standards are we willing to set, to get that entertainment?
 
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i almost gave up on third person modes and still think the perspective is kinda garbo, aka 'over-the-shoulder' views where avatars make or break the experience

control brought me back to the light, stellar physics and rendering techniques thanks to the northlight engine

www.remedygames.com

Northlight - Remedy

www.remedygames.com www.remedygames.com

some crazy shit going on in that game, devs would be wise to learn from the masters at remedy

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The reason I finally gave in tonight was due to the gifs you posted.

No, not kidding.
 
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I consume anything I enjoy, I'm a consoomer, I don't take principled stands or boycott things, I don't watch things because I think they look gay... like uh... The Greatest Showman? I'll never watch that shit, it's not some principled boycott, it just looks really boring and lame lol.
 
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But I do get liking something that only has a little woke in it. I don't care if Control stars Jesse Man-Jaw, if it's a fun experience all the way out, and nothing else is touched by it.

To some extent, it's a balance. We all want to have entertainment, in a time where sanity has departed. What are we willing to put up with, what standards are we willing to set, to get that entertainment?
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I think the "twist" reveal is even worse than Jesse tbh....
 
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Spoiler that stuff guys, if it comes up.

Not even talking as an admin. I will just be 😤 if someone ruins this game for me.
 
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The big reveal about the "big bad" in the game (and the other paranormal events, I believe) is kind of lame from what I read.
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There isn't really a big reveal or twist, what makes what's going on interesting is all the nuance and possible implications from it, in other words it's best absorbed as an entire picture including with reading documents/watching videos/etc. in-game. If it was built up to you that there's some like "haha, the enemy was X all along!" no, it's not really like that, like no Shyamalan level crap like that.
 
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Spoiler that stuff guys, if it comes up.

Not even talking as an admin. I will just be 😤 if someone ruins this game for me.
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I'm not gonna say anymore unless somebody asks and I'll "Spoiler Tag" it. I wasn't planning on putting it out with doing so.
 
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the death of arena shooters is a travesty

nothing controversial there other than to say i got a lot of problems with you people
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what counts as an "arena shooter"? Because the MP games in that style have always BORED me, I was more into Rainbow Six/Team Fortress then when Counter-Strike hit that was injected into my veins... then Battlefield... like for me competitive MP has always been most boring when it's arena-style.
 
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what counts as an "arena shooter"? Because the MP games in that style have always BORED me, I was more into Rainbow Six/Team Fortress then when Counter-Strike hit that was injected into my veins... then Battlefield... like for me competitive MP has always been most boring when it's arena-style.
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depends who you ask, i'd put all those in the arena shooter bucket while some of my more maniacal friends would say the genre is relegated to blitzkrieg live / die / repeat - types meaning quake, unreal, so forth where sudden death is around every corner

basically if you are killing each other in maps like dust or the longest yard, it's prolly an arena shooter
 
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