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Thread: First Look At Fallout Series | starring Ella Purnell, Kyle MacLachlan and Walton Goggins.
I'm A-OK if people engage with a show and then decide whether it is for them or not, but this constant 'is it woke?' Boycott mentality is for the birds and frankly drags pretty much every discussion thread like this on the site and for the most part it is BS conduct, and is simply the same Jihadist mindset as what the REEs at Reset-Era engage in.
As Sturgeon's Law goes '90% of everything is crap' and that's true for Film, TV, Music, Games, and books, and it's as true today as it was 30 years ago, before PC, DEI, ESG, and 'Woke' were even a thing. The error people make is one of cause and correlation. They assume that simply because there are some DEI aspects included in a production, that means it is going to be inherently awful off the bat, and they incessantly set their filtering process to 'woke' which is erroneous.
For better or worse right now at least DEI has a financial stranglehold on a tonne of things due to Blackrock, and I don't think it benefits creative work remotely, however, I also don't believe it is necessarily an impediment to quality productions coming out, any more so than before, because most stuff is middling at best regardless When you look at say Rings of Power, they went all in on DEI when it came to the casting, which certainly dragged at immersion, esp when the common cultural touchstone is Peter Jackson's LoTR Films. However, even if the cast was all white I don't think it would have made much of a difference because the storyline and writing are absolutely crap (I gave it 4 episodes before I noped out).
Is this a 10/10 show? No. However, it's pretty entertaining esp if you've ever played a Fallout game. Does the show have issues? For sure (it's a little uneven in places), but nothing that makes it a 'hard pass' in my book. The fact that one of our resident REEs is banding around that overused Shibboleth 'Mary Sue' and yet at the same time someone like The Critical Drinker who regularly calls out 'woke' is saying quite the opposite when it comes to the characters is pretty telling in terms of how broken some peoples mindsets are.
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Yeah, I can't agree there at all. There's a very obvious contagion in media that's been eroding most productions for the better part of a decade, and a lot of people are fed up with this crap for good reason. They're not operating off of some cultist impulse to saturate everything with their political leanings like Reset-Era. It's not at all the same as that rabid, intolerant and downright psychotic crowd that tears everything down and demands change, to say "this thing has something in it I don't like, so I won't participate". That is a pretty big false equivalency.
There is nothing wrong with boycotting media that doesn't align with your own personal principals/tastes/beliefs, and it's a much more understandable mindset than simply consuming media which continues to entertain ideas a person may find abhorrent. Why should anyone give their tacit approval for this by watching it when it contains content they do not approve of?
As far as discussion goes, you choose who you engage with. Nothing anyone posts can bring anybody down unless they choose to allow it to do so. There's more than enough folks here willing to discuss the content of this show as this thread can attest. 6
80 percent of the time it winds up being true. There's a reason that this mindset exists, and it's because most of the time productions compromised by this nonsense wind up being utter shit.
The only thing this is "telling" of is that different people have different tolerances for this stuff.
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@Dacon it's true some of us can tolerate some degree wokeness. It's really hard to ignore that in current media. Fallout was so minimal, but it was expected since we've seen that DEI list requirement of Amazon. But I was more surprised how minimal it was. It just felt the creators just had to add it to satisfy the requirements.
Maybe I'm older but I just don't enjoy sex scenes or gratuitous nudity on screen, especially if it's unnecessary. It was weird and odd seeing the nude ceremony of Vault 4. It just felt out of place. Lucy who seems to be active sexually didn't even go nude from beginning of show where she literally had sex in her wedding gown. Then to have that scene where everyone went nude, except Lucy but good comedic scene from her being weirded out. But with the tone of show so far did it need to shown?
There are too many forced/unneeded sex scenes in Hollywood shows/movies. Especially gay sex. It's gotten way too gratuitous. If you going to show kissing scene then removing clothes, fine. But simulate, nope I'm out. I don't need to watch straight sex simulation either. I'll go to the porn sites for that. Modern media has gotten to degenerate!
In recent years I've started watching way more Korean/Taiwan/Japanese shows. The stories are more entertaining now than western media.
Maybe I'm older but I just don't enjoy sex scenes or gratuitous nudity on screen, especially if it's unnecessary. It was weird and odd seeing the nude ceremony of Vault 4. It just felt out of place. Lucy who seems to be active sexually didn't even go nude from beginning of show where she literally had sex in her wedding gown. Then to have that scene where everyone went nude, except Lucy but good comedic scene from her being weirded out. But with the tone of show so far did it need to shown?
There are too many forced/unneeded sex scenes in Hollywood shows/movies. Especially gay sex. It's gotten way too gratuitous. If you going to show kissing scene then removing clothes, fine. But simulate, nope I'm out. I don't need to watch straight sex simulation either. I'll go to the porn sites for that. Modern media has gotten to degenerate!
In recent years I've started watching way more Korean/Taiwan/Japanese shows. The stories are more entertaining now than western media.
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If people want to hysterically boycott everything with what they perceive as even a tinge of DEI based on 3rd party reporting, they're certainly entitled to do so (even if they're quite clearly going against the broader cultural consensus). However, you are simply regurgitating Sturgeon's law yourself, because you acknowledge that not everything that gets released today is terrible, despite the reality that DEI is endemic.
Again, do I like DEI? No, I think it is terrible and the sooner it dies a death the better. However, I don't necessarily believe it's a useful litmus test for gauging the quality of a production, given its ubiquity presently. Take Dune for instance, that's got some DEI stuff going on (they gender and race swapped Liet Kynes for example), however, albeit I have issues with both films, stuff like that doesn't concern me so much versus the format decisions, and some aspects of the storyline that DV elected to pass on.
With anything fictive, everything ultimately comes down to the writing first and foremost, coupled with the people running things. For all the shit one can throw at Disney Star Wars output, Andor was surprisingly compelling (and I'm not a big fan of Rogue One).
The key issue where 'Woke ' media generally fails is a simple one and that is where the writers attempt to deliver 'edutainment' over 'entertainment' or as TCD would say 'The Message' because that shit is lame and no one cares for someone trying to lecture them, least of all by people, who more often than not have very little authority to do so. However, not everyone is hell-bent on trying to do that in media, versus just making compelling content, even in the present climate.
Ultimately though as someone who is heavily invested in this site in every sense of the word, it makes for a boring read when I come here and all some people ever spout are litanies about why they can't or won't engage with this, that, or whatever because 'reasons' ad nauseum, an infinitum.
You:
If people want to hysterically boycott everything with what they perceive as even a tinge of DEI based on 3rd party reporting, they're certainly entitled to do so (even if they're quite clearly going against the broader cultural consensus). However, you are simply regurgitating Sturgeon's law yourself, because you acknowledge that not everything that gets released today is terrible, despite the reality that DEI is endemic.
Again, do I like DEI? No, I think it is terrible and the sooner it dies a death the better. However, I don't necessarily believe it's a useful litmus test for gauging the quality of a production, given its ubiquity presently. Take Dune for instance, that's got some DEI stuff going on (they gender and race swapped Liet Kynes for example), however, albeit I have issues with both films, stuff like that doesn't concern me so much versus the format decisions, and some aspects of the storyline that DV elected to pass on.
With anything fictive, everything ultimately comes down to the writing first and foremost, coupled with the people running things. For all the shit one can throw at Disney Star Wars output, Andor was surprisingly compelling (and I'm not a big fan of Rogue One).
The key issue where 'Woke ' media generally fails is a simple one and that is where the writers attempt to deliver 'edutainment' over 'entertainment' or as TCD would say 'The Message' because that shit is lame and no one cares for someone trying to lecture them, least of all by people, who more often than not have very little authority to do so. However, not everyone is hell-bent on trying to do that in media, versus just making compelling content, even in the present climate.
Ultimately though as someone who is heavily invested in this site in every sense of the word, it makes for a boring read when I come here and all some people ever spout are litanies about why they can't or won't engage with this, that, or whatever because 'reasons' ad nauseum, an infinitum.
The Vault 4 Stuff was quite uneven for sure. I think in most people's view that storyline felt like a swing and a miss.
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I'll wait until modders take out the woke stuff to watch it.
Stifler's Mom
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Someone did note that in the flashback scene of the Enclave, with Wilzig (Michael Emerson) it looked like there might have been a super mutant under one of the gurneys a couple of dudes were wheeling past him at one point.
Main issue really is the cost side of things. It would be hard to pull that stuff off with prosthetics alone, so that then means you're talking about CGI, and the problem there is the cost to do it well, especially if there are a few of them and they are talking etc. Disney shredded 200 million making She-Hulk and their CGI was for shit for the most part.
DonDonDonPata
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Don't think I'll stick with the show. Episode 1 was disappointing. Like most Hollywood productions nowadays, every moment felt like tourists play-acting in a world they don't understand. All the character roles feel like they were written for the main purpose of "defying expectations". Maybe it was a budget issue but I felt there was too much talking and not nearly enough visual storytelling and exploration.
We have the boilerplate Mexican cartel villain.
We have the sputtering black loser who needs the kindness of a tranny to become a hero.
We have a Hollywood actor who, out of all the characters, is supposed to be the relatable salt of the earth.
We have the kidnapped father trope and the mysterious mother trope... I'm just waiting for Hiccup's mom to show up in How to Train Your Dragon 2 to dazzle every male character with her badassery.
I'm rolling with laughter at the folks who condemn Fallout 4's bad writing (which is plentiful) yet seem fine with the TV show. C'mon. C'mon.
I've seen some comments here and elsewhere like "hey now, this isn't like Rings of Power or anything" which kind of says it all. We've become so numb to mediocre TV that when something less-mediocre comes along we confuse its flavor with that of quality TV. I decided to give it a try because Critical Drinker actually liked it, but I think he missed the mark. Maybe he was too drunk to notice the problems. I'll go watch A Boy and His Dog.
We have the boilerplate Mexican cartel villain.
We have the sputtering black loser who needs the kindness of a tranny to become a hero.
We have a Hollywood actor who, out of all the characters, is supposed to be the relatable salt of the earth.
We have the kidnapped father trope and the mysterious mother trope... I'm just waiting for Hiccup's mom to show up in How to Train Your Dragon 2 to dazzle every male character with her badassery.
I'm rolling with laughter at the folks who condemn Fallout 4's bad writing (which is plentiful) yet seem fine with the TV show. C'mon. C'mon.
I've seen some comments here and elsewhere like "hey now, this isn't like Rings of Power or anything" which kind of says it all. We've become so numb to mediocre TV that when something less-mediocre comes along we confuse its flavor with that of quality TV. I decided to give it a try because Critical Drinker actually liked it, but I think he missed the mark. Maybe he was too drunk to notice the problems. I'll go watch A Boy and His Dog.
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I think starting to fall into the camp that's starting to like bad shows. Last Airbender LA, comes to mind. At first watch I liked it but I couldn't go back to watch it. I started noticing its bad flaws.
Oddly, it looks like I'm one of the few that's seeing the flaws in Fallout show from the start! For some reason the flaws really bothered me more in this show!
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Prime Video's 'Fallout' TV Creators Confirm Show Will Feature Heavy Social Commentary, Wants To Sidestep "Binary Thinking" On Good And Evil
Prime Video's Fallout creators, the husband and wife team of Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy, confirmed the video game adaptation will feature heavy social commentary.thatparkplace.com
Confirmed this shows gonna be shit.
Basically gonna lean heavily on social issues from a powerful female lens.
I'm already out
im so glad you were wrong (I expected it to be utter ass, too)
show is fantastic
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Me:
You:
If people want to hysterically boycott everything with what they perceive as even a tinge of DEI based on 3rd party reporting, they're certainly entitled to do so (even if they're quite clearly going against the broader cultural consensus). However, you are simply regurgitating Sturgeon's law yourself, because you acknowledge that not everything that gets released today is terrible, despite the reality that DEI is endemic.
Again, do I like DEI? No, I think it is terrible and the sooner it dies a death the better. However, I don't necessarily believe it's a useful litmus test for gauging the quality of a production, given its ubiquity presently. Take Dune for instance, that's got some DEI stuff going on (they gender and race swapped Liet Kynes for example), however, albeit I have issues with both films, stuff like that doesn't concern me so much versus the format decisions, and some aspects of the storyline that DV elected to pass on.
With anything fictive, everything ultimately comes down to the writing first and foremost, coupled with the people running things. For all the shit one can throw at Disney Star Wars output, Andor was surprisingly compelling (and I'm not a big fan of Rogue One).
The key issue where 'Woke ' media generally fails is a simple one and that is where the writers attempt to deliver 'edutainment' over 'entertainment' or as TCD would say 'The Message' because that shit is lame and no one cares for someone trying to lecture them, least of all by people, who more often than not have very little authority to do so. However, not everyone is hell-bent on trying to do that in media, versus just making compelling content, even in the present climate.
Ultimately though as someone who is heavily invested in this site in every sense of the word, it makes for a boring read when I come here and all some people ever spout are litanies about why they can't or won't engage with this, that, or whatever because 'reasons' ad nauseum, an infinitum.
I feel like on this forum especially we need to recognize we're oldheads.
We're the pop culture version of old guys yelling at kids to get off their lawn. Folks expecting media to not have DEI aspects or "Woke" dogwhistles are going to be perpetually disappointed until their deathbed.
I found peace in recognizing blatant pandering bullshit (Rings of Power, Redfall, Suicide Squad) vs. quality media with "woke" tendencies (Spider-Man 2/Spiderverse movies, Fallout, etc.).
I'm not gonna swear off all media and never enjoy a new game with my kids or show with my wife just because it has DEI or woke aspects. I'll still come here to shit-talk the parts I don't like, though
They should just cancel rings of Powah and just give fallout its budget.
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The power armor is still cut and pasted right down to the scuff marks and patina on the shine whenever they are shown. With the exception of the yao guai scratch marks on the one piece of armor, which is also a cut and paste job of the rest.
Beezos and his penis rocket money should have done better. Too much money was sunk in dem rangs of powah, I'm sure.
There were two trannies in this season, btw (other was the blonde he/she in Vault 4 in the crowd). Possibly more, I don't know who was green-screened with the water monster or that roomba with the brain on top.
Troons, troons never change..mirite folx?
Beezos and his penis rocket money should have done better. Too much money was sunk in dem rangs of powah, I'm sure.
There were two trannies in this season, btw (other was the blonde he/she in Vault 4 in the crowd). Possibly more, I don't know who was green-screened with the water monster or that roomba with the brain on top.
Troons, troons never change..mirite folx?
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Phunkydiabetic
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Ideological brain rot?
He is by far the weakest aspect of the show thus far. I'm really hoping there's one hell of an epic character arc for him but as it stands I'm left wondering how such a wimpy person got within 100 miles of the Brotherhood of Steel. He's the antithesis of what the Brotherhood of Steel is supposed to be all about. Still early, maybe his character will get better or become more likeable but for now I'm not sure how much more sour pussed whimpering I can take from this dude. I groan whenever it flips over to his story.
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No I'm not, that's just how you're misconstruing it. I don't agree with Sturgeon's Law to begin with, and I'm not saying 80 percent of everything is bad, just 80 percent of woke productions.
That is the internet, you can either ignore, tolerate, or be broken down by the things that annoy you.
Honestly don't think it gets better. He is annoying as hell and I've gotten to where I can't even stand looking at his dumb face anymore. They have characters that are obviously great, and who would obviously be fan favorites and instead choose to continue to waste time on this character. I almost feel like they want us to hate him.
It's the HBO effect. They do these things in these stories just cause they can. How else will you know it's a show for "mature" audiences?
I feel the tone of this show is often schizophrenic. It's annoying how much time gets wasted too.
Some people definitely seem to be so starved for new media it seems theyre willing to tolerate and excuse any amount of nonsense to justify their desire to keep watching. Some even get resentful of others for not doing the same. I've noticed this whenever I criticize a new game, or film. People are building weird little cults around media properties in a way that's more disturbing than fandoms ever were.
It's gotten pretty annoying that people are treating him as some sort of authority on media, when he's just another guy like any other giving his opinion on stuff.
To each his own. Some ppl will like it. Other won't and others won't watch it out of principle.
Who cares. What are we commies? Thread is for all walks of life.
I freaking hate DEI but imo this one ain't it.
Who cares. What are we commies? Thread is for all walks of life.
I freaking hate DEI but imo this one ain't it.
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About 5 years ago, I'd be right with ya. Nowadays, asking if something is woke is a legit question. At this point, I just figure EVERYTHING is going to have some form of THE MESSAGE shoved into it. I do my due diligence to try to weed the worst out. Anything Sweet Baby touches, I will never consume. Shit like the new Star Wars game where an employee says they hate whites? Nope.
The thing is, these people HATE US AND LITERALLY WANT US DEAD. If something I'm going to watch panders to these lunatics, why the fuck would I watch? Because it only panders a little? Shit will never swing back the other way until we say NO MORE!
I watched the first episode and I'd give it a 1 out of 4 on the woke scale. Not too much to make me stop, but the shit is DEFINITELY there.
Main character white man with black daughter right at the beginning.
Tom boy with a mustache.
Girl boss moments.
So, not bad, but it's there. Shit, I was honestly floored when the main character's chosen husband was a white guy.
I will be shocked if this doesn't go full retard by the end.
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Same energy. Hope she sticks to her guns about the source material just like Cavill. We need more people in Hollywood like them. Though if even Cavill's clout wasn't enough to sway the woketards then I doubt she has a chance behind the scenes. Guess we'll know where she really stands if they deviate greatly and she sticks around and doesn't leave the roll like Cavill did.
Halfway through the season and it could all fall apart in the end, rest assured we'll tear it apart if it does, but for now the show is actually refreshing in the current landscape Wokewood has been putting forth. And I'm a huge stickler for the woke crap. Heck, my wife and I are watching it and the first thing she said was, "Well I can stomach this MUCH better than For All Mankind." Which she refused to watch soon after the women to the moon arc started.
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That's also when I stopped watching For All Man Kind. I didn't care to find out how worst it got!
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The problem is, it doesn't matter if she wants to or not. Like Cavill, it ultimately doesn't matter what they want or feel, theyre not making the choices.
DonDonDonPata
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yeah I'm a bit too jaded at this point... an actor coming out and talking about "respect for source material" is really nothing more than marketing to fill a headline. They know people are tired of writers messing with source material, so they throw it in to draw in the skeptics and fence sitters. Pretty sure every Star Wars since Rogue One had someone in the cast or one of the writers getting in front of a camera and talking about "respecting the source material".
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I just finished the first episode and I thought it was great. I felt like a giddy teenager watching a TV show about one of my favorite gaming franchises. I can't believe people are upset about Maximus's friend. I thought it was a dude, a bit effeminate but still a dude. I've met some guys like that. Now the actor could be trans in real life, I don't know but it didn't bother me in the show. The Lucy stuff was awesome and The Ghoul kicked ass. I can't wait to keep watching.
VlaudTheImpaler
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This is why I always tell the ugliest women and men I meet to never give up hope. There's always gonna be someone out there like you who'll hit that. No need to turn to hormone therapy.
Phunkydiabetic
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Where it would've been annoying is if they were to do the typical dei, inclusive preaching ramming it down your throat shit that so many other shows do. Now the moment I saw this person I figured something was up but..he (they?) just kind of exist. There's no backstory of how he hacked a Mr. Orderly in order to perform a sex change or whining about how the wasteland is filled with transphobes or something..the character just is. As far as I can tell transgenderism isn't even explicitly mentioned.
I can understand the hate if it's some injected preachy-ness or whatever, but the whole "I'm boycotting the show because of this one inconsequential character" is odd. So if the show isn't doing the same cornball ramming woke down your throat thing like so many other shows, is it just the literal idea of the character existing that angers people?
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Hit what? I don't even understand your comment, it has nothing to do with the show. I'm straight and I literally said that I thought that was a dude. Why would I hit that? Whatever... Carry on.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Pardon me if I discriminated but I did say women and men. It was a comment on your standards... or lack thereof. It's what gives so many hope.
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This usually after they try the "Star Wars isn't for you anymore, deal with it." doesn't bring the asses to the seats they want.
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Episode 2 was good. They REALLY nailed the look and feel of the universe. It felt very video gamey with the scenarios that happened. I appreciate that the main character is an attractive female. This one was a 0 out of 4 on the wokeness scale (0 being none detected).
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NGL my biggest gripes with the show so far are the inconsistent tone, and how everything just looks too clean. I don't get the feeling that the world has ended in nuclear fire and it's being held together by duct tape and silly string like in the games.
I feel like on this forum especially we need to recognize we're oldheads.
We're the pop culture version of old guys yelling at kids to get off their lawn. Folks expecting media to not have DEI aspects or "Woke" dogwhistles are going to be perpetually disappointed until their deathbed.
I found peace in recognizing blatant pandering bullshit (Rings of Power, Redfall, Suicide Squad) vs. quality media with "woke" tendencies (Spider-Man 2/Spiderverse movies, Fallout, etc.).
I'm not gonna swear off all media and never enjoy a new game with my kids or show with my wife just because it has DEI or woke aspects. I'll still come here to shit-talk the parts I don't like, though
My point exactly. I'm down for a good laugh at some of the absurd stuff, like She-Hulk or RoP, but in large part what these things ultimately share in common is piss-poor writing and dismal showrunners at the end of the day. The problem is some people it seems to me are just looking for reasons to pass on any and everything 24/7 and then mistakenly presume the rest of us here should somehow care, repeatedly. I get why there can be a certain amount of trepidation over beloved IP and whatnot (There's a Blade Runner 2099 Series currently filming in Prague right now for Amazon Studios and Ridley Scott is involved
) however there are still people out there making good entertaining engaging product regardless of whatever studio mandates they might have to operate to, simply to get produced.If people want to boycott everything and spend their time solely playing old games, and watching old TV Shows and Films that is certainly their prerogative, but the baseline assumption that somehow the rest of us should care is another matter entirely. Shit is boring to read, and brings nothing meaningful to the table.
So before 'Woke' everything was absolute gold? Whom exactly are you hoping to convince with that line of reasoning? Sturgeon's Law is known because it resonates with many people. It's entirely OK to enjoy crap (we all do. The Spartacus TV series was a great guilty pleasure to watch, but I wouldn't put it in my top-tier TV recommendations), but this idea that 'woke' is somehow any more of a marker than what came before is an utter fallacy, even more so given its ubiquitous nature presently.
Alternatively, I can just continue to call people out on their laughable mid-wit BS.
As I outlined previously it's pretty much redundant given that DEI is endemic to almost all media presently. Hence, a better question is 'Is it a good watch? ' or 'Do you recommend it?' versus asking for a laundry list of offenses that our resident joyless Wokefinder Generals will avail you of because they obsess about this stuff to the detriment of rhyme and reason.
From what I've read that whole aspect is intentional. Characters have an aim, but then get dragged into Sidequest BS repeatedly, exactly like in the games. I don't think it always lands (one of the later episodes is a swing and a miss IMHO), but I like that approach, and it's a framework for them to round out the world-building when doing so, especially for people with no prior relationship to the games. I would class Fallout as a pleasant surprise in terms of how well it turned out for the most part, as I would say expectations were low given how poorly Amazon Studios has been when it comes to the handling of certain IPs.
She's likeable character. At first I thought she was annoying but and how she just want to have sex with everybody.
But that's how she was trained. Literal cow.
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Yup. I liked Lucy the cousin fucker character!
Wish I didn't know that tidbit!
I thought that whole aspect was a pretty funny road to go down, and loved the sense that her fucking Chet was a known thing, but kind of tolerated. I also liked that Chet then goes from a lovelorn bachelor to instant family (just add water) with Stephanie. Somehow I don't think that was quite what he was expecting.
Presently on my second watch and quite enjoying soaking in more of the details and what's said by various characters throughout.
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I thought that whole aspect was a pretty funny road to go down, and loved the sense that her fucking Chet was a known thing, but kind of tolerated. I also liked that Chet then goes from a lovelorn bachelor to instant family (just add water) with Stephanie. Somehow I don't think that was quite what he was expecting.
Presently on my second watch and quite enjoying soaking in more of the details and what's said by various characters throughout.
I understood that could happened being in vault for over 200yrs.
But my other issue with the vault was the sense of scale. I couldn't tell how big it was. It was weird seeing all those people popped up after seeing so many got killed by raiders. Where are the children? I don't recall seeing any except in Lucy flashbacks.
Silo on Apple showed scale! Wasn't expecting to look like that. But Vaults didn't come close, just felt like it showed only one floor!