I outlined that this endless woke-hunting is largely banal, pointless, and isn't much of an indicator of a show's quality in these times because Sturgeon Laws still holds true, and that you in your own protestations were effectively echoing it. Everything you've posted since has essentially been a variation of: -
I pointed out that people ARENT being unreasonable for not bothering with this show for entertaining one of the most divisive social issues today. You made the argument that this somehow that makes them equivalent to the radicals on Resetera. It doesn't. If it did they would be demanding the producers of this show be fired, their public humiliation, the loss of their ability to hold a job and their permanent dehumanization. Everyone who watched the show would be labeled some kind of monster and othered. These folks are simply saying they won't watch. I can't get mad if people refuse to eat their mashed potatoes when there's a bit of shit sprinkled in.
As far as Sturgeon's Law goes, I simply don't agree with it.
Because ultimately you can't refute it as an argument. Most of anything creative is largely garbage.
Ultimately it can't be proven either. Even then, garbage by whose estimation? One man's trash is another's treasure and all that. There's plenty of films and tv shows I don't think are very good but others really enjoy. There is no standard, just different tastes. Some of my friends specifically enjoy watching things because they think they're bad.
I don't think most of anything creative is garbage, and I think it cannot reasonably be stated either, simply based on the fact that it's impossible to consume every piece of media. There's a gross amount of shows and films that come out worldwide. Maybe the argument can be made if you live in some Americentric bubble, but even then there's plenty of film and tv productions that are good and not ESG slop.
If the argument was most creative productions are mediocre then I'd probably agree. Outright shit? Nah I can't get on board with that. That's just my personal opinion.
Even if Sturgeons Law objectively was objectively true in all instances, it still wouldn't mean that wokeness is not a signifier of poor quality. Simply from the fact that even if most media is bad, there can be plenty of indications of what kind of bad it will be. Most of us have plenty of experience watching DEI approved media at this point, and most of us have had bad experiences as a result.
There's different types of bad, and a bad ESG production is not on equal standing with a normal bad production. I, like most people can sit through a bad movie and not feel personally insulted when the curtain closes, with shitty ESG films that isn't the case.
Call Me Chato has a whole series dedicated to looking at TV shows from the past based on the yearly TV listings then goes into how most of them end up getting shuttered within a few episodes or a season or so before being canceled. With the odd gem breaking out to 4-5 seasons, becoming syndicated and then part of the broader cultural landscape, versus the ones that fall off into obscurity.
A show being shuttered or cancelled doesn't automatically make it bad though. There's been plenty of entertaining shows with promise that have been killed before coming into their own. Failing to reach syndication isn't necessarily a sign of quality/potential. There are a lot of shows that have very long lifespans that I think most people would agree aren't very good at this point like Family Guy or the Simpsons.
Fallout is an entertaining show that does a good job of staying true to the IP it is based on. It's probably not going to win any Emmys (though maybe some technical awards for make-up and sets) but it is a worthwhile watch if you're a fan of the games and isn't the preachy wokefest like some people here would have you believe. Who knows maybe Nolan and Joy will fuck up season 2 like they did with Westworld, however assuming Amazon Greenlight more I'm at least interested to see where they go with it.
I personally think it's just kind of ok, with some very bland and boring moments with really good moments sprinkled throughout. Damn near every scene with Cooper in it is gold.
I see some Fallout fans feel personally insulted by some of the decisions this show has made, outside of the one random weirdo.
I don't think anyone is accusing this show of being a "preachy wokefest", and I agree with you that they'd be wrong with if they did/have. It's mostly just people decrying the inclusion entirely, and either expressing their displeasure with it and moving on or just refusing to watch on principal, which is fine. I don't think it's fair to attack them for that.
