[TaySan]

Which lead to over 1 million downloads! Doubt over a million copies hit the streets early!



Yea, maybe!

Blaming Yuzu for the leak of TotK and loss of revenue is like blaming car dealers for car accidents. What the drivers do with their cars once bought is none of their business. Same thing with emulators. Of course, it's not about winning when Nintendo can just bankrupt them by dragging things out in court

 

[Hostile_18]

I agree that they're certainly over zealous regarding their products.

I firmly believe they're more at fault for their piracy problems. Their services are compromised every generation. People frequently download their roms from Nintendo's shop! lol Their games are playable on emulator before they're available to paying customers. It's all on them. Not us.

It's a tough one. I mean on PC I can nearly always get 4k 120fps. To be honest despite having access to everything I've only really played Smash and Mario Kart. It wouldn't be a massive loss but I really hope Yuzu can fight it. If they lost any emulator would be venerable and preservation is so important to the industry. Where else can I play Silent Hill games on a modern format etc.

 

[Hostile_18]

Blaming Yuzu for the leak of TotK and loss of revenue is like blaming car dealers for car accidents. What the drivers do with their cars once bought is none of their business. Same thing with emulators. Of course, it's not about winning when Nintendo can just bankrupt them by dragging things out in court

It's a really hard topic as Nintendo only needs to attack and win against one part of the whole chain to bring Yuzu down. As you say though Nintendo probably know Yuzu can't fight it.

Also make sure you load up your emulator tonight and get the latest patch lol.

 

[Optimus]

It's a tough one. I mean on PC I can nearly always get 4k 120fps. To be honest despite having access to everything I've only really played Smash and Mario Kart. It wouldn't be a massive loss but I really hope Yuzu can fight it. If they lost any emulator would be venerable and preservation is so important to the industry. Where else can I play Silent Hill games on a modern format etc.

There's Ryujinx. It works really well. The biggest loss with Yuzu isn't even PC. Yuzu android is where it's at! I play Switch on an Odin 2 with better resolution and framerates. lol

That might even be what caught Nintendo's attention though they're not saying it.

I'm still just bewildered that Wii U and 3DS emulation was literally pulling the roms from their eshop!! lol

 

[Pyrate]

For the ones happy about this let me remind you about Mario All Stars and Nintendo arbitrarily taking it off sale after a very limited amount of time. Or the fact Nintendo loves to litigate against its fan base for any kind of mods or even instigates rules for fan Smash tournaments. Fuck Nintendo.

One would have to be a cuckold to defend Nintendo here, a cuck or an ignorant, could go either way.

 

[Hostile_18]

There's Ryujinx. It works really well. The biggest loss with Yuzu isn't even PC. Yuzu android is where it's at! I play Switch on an Odin 2 with better resolution and framerates. lol

That might even be what caught Nintendo's attention though they're not saying it.

I'm still just bewildered that Wii U and 3DS emulation was literally pulling the roms from their eshop!! lol

Ryujinx won't be spared if Nintendo win. They legal department probably just aren't sure how to spell it at the moment lol.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

unpopular opinion to PC gamers, but Nintendo deserves more leeway for being one of the few companies to still release physical copies of videogames. If the market was digital-only, full of microtransactions and early access like it is on PC, I can understand why someone would lose a realistic opinion on the value of a game as a product. Since a part of Nintendo's business model is physical hardware and physical games, there's nothing wrong with defending their product. Pirates wouldn't comprehend a world where a digital product isn't free for the taking.

The notion that most people are using Yuzu to emulate the games they already own is either stupidly naive or a knowing deception.

 

[Pyrate]

Ryujinx won't be spared if Nintendo win. They legal department probably just aren't sure how to spell it at the moment lol.

The funny thing is if Nintendo was actually genuine about this suit, they'd go after Ryujinx since that one does permit leaked games to work on it, or at least more leaked games would work on Ryujinx first, while Yuzu would almost intentionally have something that blocks a leaked game from running until release. I don't remember which specific game of theirs leaked that had this occur because it wasn't just Zelda but people would play the game before release on Ryujinx, not Yuzu. But it's obvious they're not doing this for legitimacy.

This is not throwing Ryujinx under the bus or anything, just to point out that they just went for the most popular thing to take down, regardless of credibility in doing so, it's evident in their argument where it doesn't apply at all for what they went after, (Yuzu) but could theoritically stand some ground against a different project (Ryujinx).

 

[TaySan]

unpopular opinion to PC gamers, but Nintendo deserves more leeway for being one of the few companies to still release physical copies of videogames. If the market was digital-only, full of microtransactions and early access like it is on PC, I can understand why someone would lose a realistic opinion on the value of a game as a product. Since a part of Nintendo's business model is physical hardware and physical games, there's nothing wrong with defending their product. Pirates wouldn't comprehend a world where a digital product isn't free for the taking.

The notion that most people are using Yuzu to emulate the games they already own is either stupidly naive or a knowing deception.

Nintendo should be going after the people hosting the servers for pirated games, not Yuzu, and punishing the people who legitimately own the games.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Nintendo should be going after the people hosting the servers for pirated games, not Yuzu, and punishing the people who legitimately own the games.

Hosting the downloads for pirated software and inventing reverse-engineered software to facilitate pirated software can both be wrong at the same time, actually, and Nintendo can go after both which is why that's exactly what they do.

Buying a Switch cartridge doesn't entitle the customer to play that game on any hardware they want. They might want to, and they might have the means to, and they might even argue it's harmless, but they're not entitled to it.

I've downloaded enough pirated stuff and enjoyed enough crummy third-party software hacks over the years to simply enjoy the sauce while it's available and shrug when it's inevitably taken away. The entitlement and the dramatic moral grandstanding on the issue of piracy of digital games has always been cringe, and PC gamers have always been the cringiest at it, acting like they literally cannot enjoy a videogame if it's not cracked, torrented, and modded to 120fps at native 4k.

 

[Pyrate]

unpopular opinion to PC gamers, but Nintendo deserves more leeway for being one of the few companies to still release physical copies of videogames.

This is entirely missing the point, which was cleared multiple times in this thread so I won't say it again here, but I don't like this train of thought you convey; since Nintendo arent dipshits in one part of the indutry, they deserve to be dipshits in this part. I greatly disagree.

If the market was digital-only, full of microtransactions and early access like it is on PC, I can understand why someone would lose a realistic opinion on the value of a game as a product. Since a part of Nintendo's business model is physical hardware and physical games, there's nothing wrong with defending their product. Pirates wouldn't comprehend a world where a digital product isn't free for the taking.

If you're really understanding the value of a product, you'd recognise the importance of emulation.

Nintendo may still be going with a physical media strategy, but that's not always the case. Just from the top of my head, MGS Master Collection on Switch doesn't have all the games on the cartiridge, you'd have to download whatever isn't included separately, I believe Arkham Collection and countless 3rd party games have this trend too. And if we're strictly talking first party, I can instantly recall a couple of instances (Mario Strikers Battle League, and Nintendo Switch Sports) where Nintendo released a game then added DLCs later, DLCs that I'd argue should've been there to begin with.

So they're not exactly saints in this aspect when you think about it, better than others sure, but in no way giving them leeway to pull something as stupid as this (I don't agree that there should be any leeway for something not illegal or wrong in the first place). I'd put them next to Sony as far as ensuring first party games are available physically.

And I hope you weren't generalising and grouping everyone with that last sentence there. Very poor thinking if so.

The notion that most people are using Yuzu to emulate the games they already own is either stupidly naive or a knowing deception.

The notion that it's okay to shut the whole thing down and fuck over the legitimate users over whatever the percentage of unlawful ones is, is equally as naive or deceptive.

 

[Optimus]

Ryujinx won't be spared if Nintendo win. They legal department probably just aren't sure how to spell it at the moment lol.

There's not really any chance of Nintendo winning anything. They'll achieve a settlement most likely, and if they did win a case against Yuzu, it will be because Yuzu provided instructions for how to dump firmware and games. But all of this is in that legal gray area that is basically protected under fair use in the USA. What Nintendo has a good faith argument over is that Yuzu benefited from TotK leaking early as shown by their Patreon donations doubling when that occurred. They can claim that Yuzu benefits directly from Nintendo Switch piracy.

If that Patreon didn't even exist, there'd likely not be a case.

 

[Pyrate]

inventing reverse-engineered software to facilitate pirated software can both be wrong at the same time, actually, and Nintendo can go after both which is why that's exactly what they do.

Oookay, that's a lot of bullshit to debunk here, let's go ahead

No, reverse engineering a game console to facilitate running games is fully lawful and has been proven to be so in the past.

Having said software also be able to run illegally obtained games is not the problem of the emulator to deal with, since all emulators have did the required work to the best of their abilities so that only legitimate users, that is, with their jailbroken console that they obtained the legitimate BIOS files from, and their legally dumped game (depending on the country, dumping a game ROM may need to "circumvent the copyright protection" on the game disc to rip the game files out, could be illegal. I'll get to why legality of game dumping doesn't amount to shit in the next section), only these users, should be able to emulate the console and play their games. Means of piracy will always exist and it's impossible to have a system to prevent them, unless of course, you're a fan of always online DRMs, in that case you can kindly go fuck yourself.

Buying a Switch cartridge doesn't entitle the customer to play that game on any hardware they want. They might want to, and they might have the means to, and they might even argue it's harmless, but they're not entitled to it.

That's where laws will have to fuck off for a second if they don't agree, because this is also a No. Buying a game disc, or here, a Switch cartridge, indeed entitles me to do what ever the fuck I would want to do with it, so long it's for personal use and not distribution or trade. I don't give a shit what their ToS or a raging fanboy would say, I bought the disc, I own it.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

This is entirely missing the point, which was cleared multiple times in this thread so I won't say it again here, but I don't like this train of thought you convey; since Nintendo arent dipshits in one part of the indutry, they deserve to be dipshits in this part. I greatly disagree.

Well we greatly disagree on the way Nintendo is acting like dipshits, I thought that was obvious.

If you're really understanding the value of a product, you'd recognise the importance of emulation.

Emulating products that are no longer available for purchase is fine, if that's your issue. On the flip side, emulating games that are currently being sold has always been sketchy. This isn't a new conversation. Nintendo is allowed to go after any brands which enable people to play Nintendo's products without owning the Nintendo hardware and legitimate copies of Nintendo software. The integrated hardware/software product is Nintendo's brand. Nintendo needs to make money from the market year after year to stay afloat. Software that enables people to use Nintendo's products without paying are competing with Nintendo, at an absolute minimum. Even if Nintendo had no legal standing to go after Yuzu, we'd agree that it offers an alternative entry point into Nintendo's brand. It's competition.

Don't forget how legal hurdles have been used against videogames, and against Nintendo specifically. To them, piracy is just another vector of competition because it is taking attention and money away from the brand-holder, in short term tangible ways and in long term intangible ways.

Nintendo may still be going with a physical media strategy, but that's not always the case. Just from the top of my head, MGS Master Collection on Switch doesn't have all the games on the cartiridge, you'd have to download whatever isn't included separately, I believe Arkham Collection and countless 3rd party games have this trend too. And if we're strictly talking first party, I can instantly recall a couple of instances (Mario Strikers Battle League, and Nintendo Switch Sports) where Nintendo released a game then added DLCs later, DLCs that I'd argue should've been there to begin with.

So they're not exactly saints in this aspect when you think about it, better than others sure, but in no way giving them leeway to pull something as stupid as this (I don't agree that there should be any leeway for something not illegal or wrong in the first place). I'd put them next to Sony as far as ensuring first party games are available physically.

All of these minor complaints might be the case, but you're still able to buy a physical record of those digital files. Are we playing ignorant as if physical ownership hasn't been a massive controversy not only for Nintendo but for Sony, Microsoft, and PC, too? Does the PS4 "this is how you share a PS4 game" video not get millions of views?

I do view piracy as destructive to the concept of physical ownership in gaming, whereas digital ownership and piracy go hand in hand. Brands like Nintendo that sell physical games are naturally going to be opposed to piracy that devalues and deemphasizes the physical product. It should be no surprise that Nintendo works hard to shut down things that reduce/remove the need to buy their physical cartridges.

And I hope you weren't generalising with that last sentence there. Very poor thinking if so.

The generalizing is mostly from the piracy defenders, who have always gotten emotional and moralistic about this issue. It has been this way for decades.

I mean, if you snuck into a movie and boasted to your friends about seeing it, fine, but then don't turn around and pretend you have a moral obligation to sneak into movies or that you are "entitled to experience the film in exactly the way that I want". We all know at a basic level that Nintendo is selling something and we buy it. Flesh and blood people get to take a paycheck because the customers buy it. All of the silly moralizing about piracy can be extrapolated to any product and eventually just becomes tryhard internet socialism kinda retardation. And the piracy crowd has always been this way, it has literally never changed.

Just buy the game and complain about the crappy controls and MIDI music like the rest of us.

The notion that it's okay to shut the whole thing down and fuck over the legitimate users over whatever the percentage of unlawful ones are is equally as naive or deceptive.

It's "okay" to shut the whole thing down because the software isn't legitimate. I put "okay" in quotes because the existence of the software doesn't bother me, but I'm also not pretending that Nintendo is anti-gaming or committing some anti-gaming crime here. That's the cringe I'm talking about. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the pirates, leakers, and hackers who "ruin" it for everyone else.

 

[Pyrate]

What Nintendo has a good faith argument over is that Yuzu benefited from TotK leaking early as shown by their Patreon donations doubling when that occurred. They can claim that Yuzu benefits directly from Nintendo Switch piracy.

If that Patreon didn't even exist, there'd likely not be a case.

Yep, I always knew that damned Patreon paywall thing could bring trouble one day. I generally don't like it when an open source project has a paywalled extra option, could be cause for trouble.

I don't agree that this is why they made the suit though, I believe they would've gone for it regardless.

 

[Amorous Biscuit]

All of these minor complaints might be the case, but you're still able to buy a physical record of those digital files. Are we playing ignorant as if physical ownership hasn't been a massive controversy not only for Nintendo but for Sony, Microsoft, and PC, too? Does the PS4 "this is how you share a PS4 game" video not get millions of views?

I do view piracy as destructive to the concept of physical ownership in gaming, whereas digital ownership and piracy go hand in hand. Brands like Nintendo that sell physical games are naturally going to be opposed to piracy that devalues and deemphasizes the physical product. It should be no surprise that Nintendo works hard to shut down things that reduce/remove the need to buy their physical cartridges.

This might be true if the market hadn't shifted almost entirely to digital over the last decade.

Obviously they'll want to protect their IP, but as a consumer, what I do with my product once purchased ~ either physical or digital ~ should be none of Nintendo's business. The piracy problem is always so overblown and repeatedly used as a means to destroy good work done either to preservation or for enthusiasts who use emulation as a means for enhancing their play experience.

 

[Optimus]

Yep, I always knew that damned Patreon paywall thing could bring trouble one day. I generally don't like it when an open source project has a paywalled extra option, could be cause for trouble.

I don't agree that this is why they made the suit though, I believe they would've gone for it regardless.

They may have gone after them regardless, but the case documents lay a clear good faith argument that TotK was downloaded a million times the week before release and in that span of time Yuzu's Patreon donations doubled. Among the claims against Yuzu is the matter that dumping firmwares from your Nintendo Switch is considered a violation of their copyright over the Switch's software. Yuzu literally provides step-by-step guide to dumping the firmware, game cart roms, and digitally owned games from your Nintendo Switch. Thus Nintendo's chief argument against Yuzu and its creator is that they (project, creator) benefit directly from pirating Nintendo Switch software while Nintendo feels a direct loss.

I've never looked at Yuzu's patreon, so I don't know what they paywall. You can get the nightly release free of charge.

 

[Pyrate]

They may have gone after them regardless, but the case documents lay a clear good faith argument that TotK was downloaded a million times the week before release and in that span of time Yuzu's Patreon donations doubled. Among the claims against Yuzu is the matter that dumping firmwares from your Nintendo Switch is considered a violation of their copyright over the Switch's software. Yuzu literally provides step-by-step guide to dumping the firmware, game cart roms, and digitally owned games from your Nintendo Switch. Thus Nintendo's chief argument against Yuzu and its creator is that they (project, creator) benefit directly from pirating Nintendo Switch software while Nintendo feels a direct loss.

I've never looked at Yuzu's patreon, so I don't know what they paywall. You can get the nightly release free of charge.

What you said about Yuzu and their Patreon subscribers increasing is true, but here's the thing: not even the paywalled version ran the game before release, they're not dumb enough to make it so their paid version runs the game and the free version doesn't, that'd be the textbook background for a lawsuit and they know it. What probably happened is people got excited so they subscribed to the Patreon, they couldn't play the game early even with the paid version, so Yuzu may have benefited from the game leaking, but they still did not officially enable the pirated game to be played on their software, and that's where the good faith argument of theirs is invalidated.

*Yuzu's Patreon version is dubbed Early Access, I assume it has experimental features, and it generally exists as a way ro support development, not an advertised product you'd order for a special benefit that the free version doesn't have. **I still don't like the idea of paid software alongside it's open source option, partly because of the potential to allow this mess to happen.

 

[Optimus]

What you said about Yuzu and their Patreon subscribers increasing is true, but here's the thing: not even the paywalled version ran the game before release, they're not dumb enough to make it so their paid version runs the game and the free version doesn't, that'd be the textbook background for a lawsuit and they know it. What probably happened is people got excited so they subscribed to the Patreon, they couldn't play the game early even with the paid version, so Yuzu may have benefited from the game leaking, but they still did not officially enable the pirated game to be played on their software, and that's where the good faith argument of theirs is invalidated.

*Yuzu's Patreon version is dubbed Early Access, I assume it has experimental features, and it generally exists as a way ro support development, not an advertised product you'd order for a special benefit that the free version doesn't have. **I still don't like the idea of paid software alongside it's open source option, partly because of the potential to allow this mess to happen.

I don't really understand any of this talk about games not running pre-release. TotK may not have been in a playable state via Yuzu when it leaked, but I've played Mario Wonder and Mario RPG ahead of release on my android version of Yuzu.

And whatever paying Patreon users are getting, it's nothing more than a nightly build. I know there's a paid version of Yuzu in the Google Play store that is advertised as "early access" -- it's not anything different than the nightly builds.

I personally don't feel like Nintendo has much of a case, but I'm also not a judge or a lawyer.

 

[Zog]

I don't really understand any of this talk about games not running pre-release. TotK may not have been in a playable state via Yuzu when it leaked, but I've played Mario Wonder and Mario RPG ahead of release on my android version of Yuzu.

And whatever paying Patreon users are getting, it's nothing more than a nightly build. I know there's a paid version of Yuzu in the Google Play store that is advertised as "early access" -- it's not anything different than the nightly builds.

I personally don't feel like Nintendo has much of a case, but I'm also not a judge or a lawyer.

Sometimes I think Nintendo brings cases just so they can say that they tried. Something required by copyright laws.

 

[Rock And Roll]

"Oh look at all you corporate cucks simping for Nintendo!!! You bunch of consoomers hahahaha!!!!!"


"WELL IF NINTENDO GAVE US THE OPTION TO BUY BETTER HARDWARE WE WOULDN'T BE PIRATING IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Always entertaining to watch the piracy crowd attempt to justify their stealing. I'm sure they are fine with the theft in big cities like San Francisco, NYC and Chicago as well. "THAT THEFT IS DIFFERENT REEEEEEEEEE"

I don't care if you pirate games, just stop with the stupid arguments for it.

 

[Zog]

"Oh look at all you corporate cucks simping for Nintendo!!! You bunch of consoomers hahahaha!!!!!"


"WELL IF NINTENDO GAVE US THE OPTION TO BUY BETTER HARDWARE WE WOULDN'T BE PIRATING IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Always entertaining to watch the piracy crowd attempt to justify their stealing. I'm sure they are fine with the theft in big cities like San Francisco, NYC and Chicago as well. "THAT THEFT IS DIFFERENT REEEEEEEEEE"

I don't care if you pirate games, just stop with the stupid arguments for it.

Look above, you see what I did here? I made a perfect copy of your post without removing the original post. That's how software works.

 

[Nicktendo]

Look above, you see what I did here? I made a perfect copy of your post without removing the original post. That's how software works.

Look above, you see what I did here? I made a perfect copy of your post so that we can all read it again and lose even more braincells. That's how retardation works.

 

[Optimus]

"Oh look at all you corporate cucks simping for Nintendo!!! You bunch of consoomers hahahaha!!!!!"


"WELL IF NINTENDO GAVE US THE OPTION TO BUY BETTER HARDWARE WE WOULDN'T BE PIRATING IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Always entertaining to watch the piracy crowd attempt to justify their stealing. I'm sure they are fine with the theft in big cities like San Francisco, NYC and Chicago as well. "THAT THEFT IS DIFFERENT REEEEEEEEEE"

I don't care if you pirate games, just stop with the stupid arguments for it.

Are you claiming that if someone owns a game, such as Breath of the Wild or any of the other various games that run sub-optimally on Nintendo's hardware, and they decide to download and play said game on their PC, that's the same as stealing? Deliberately wording it in this way because dumping your own firmware and game rom is tedious and requires additional purchases to make happen.

 

[Hardensoul]

I don't really understand any of this talk about games not running pre-release. TotK may not have been in a playable state via Yuzu when it leaked, but I've played Mario Wonder and Mario RPG ahead of release on my android version of Yuzu.

And whatever paying Patreon users are getting, it's nothing more than a nightly build. I know there's a paid version of Yuzu in the Google Play store that is advertised as "early access" -- it's not anything different than the nightly builds.

I personally don't feel like Nintendo has much of a case, but I'm also not a judge or a lawyer.

You or people advocating been saying it's not pirating. How is that not pirating? No one will officially Sell those before release date!

The issue I have with emulation is with current console and new games being on net. It's ripe for abuse and pirated. I'm with old games not being sold anymore being emulated.

 

[Nicktendo]

Are you claiming that if someone owns a game, such as Breath of the Wild or any of the other various games that run sub-optimally on Nintendo's hardware, and they decide to download and play said game on their PC, that's the same as stealing? Deliberately wording it in this way because dumping your own firmware and game rom is tedious and requires additional purchases to make happen.

Why would you buy a sub-optimal product?

 

[Zog]

Look above, you see what I did here? I made a perfect copy of your post so that we can all read it again and lose even more braincells. That's how retardation works.

I must have hit a nerve. Maybe we should question the morality of a company selling the same file millions of times even though the copies cost them nothing,

When you think of theft, you think of something being lost. Nothing is lost when a copy is made.

 

[Nicktendo]

I must have hit a nerve. Maybe we should question the morality of a company selling the same file millions of times even though the copies cost them nothing,

Yes, you're right. They should make the game and then distribute copies of it for free so we can all enjoy it. After all, the copies cost them nothing. I'm so awestruck by this simple yet mind-blowing response. Truly amazing.

Very, very immoral to make something and then sell copies of it.

When you think of theft, you think of something being lost. Nothing is lost when a copy is made.

Requesting the mods change my name to Zog and my tag to member so I can post under his name and account.

Don't worry, Zoggy boy. Nothing is being lost. It's just a simple copy.

 

[Zog]

Yes, you're right. They should make the game and then distribute copies of it for free so we can all enjoy it. After all, the copies cost them nothing. I'm so awestruck by this simple yet mind-blowing response. Truly amazing.

Very, very immoral to make something and then sell copies of it.

You are simplifying things. When a company sells a car there are many costs involved in building that ONE car. They can't just make free copies and sell them to you for full price the way software works. Further, if someone steals a car something was lost that cannot be replaced for free.

What goes on with software is called copyright infringement because there is a difference.

 

[Nicktendo]

You are simplifying things. When a company sells a car there are many costs involved in building that ONE car. They can't just make free copies and sell them to you for full price the way software works. Further, if someone steals a car something was lost that cannot be replaced for free.

What goes on with software is called copyright infringement because there is a difference.

 

[Zog]

So we are doing this? Can't have a serious conversation, you just want to shit post. Not getting baited in this time.

 

[Sejan]

This case seems odd to me.

1. Reverse engineering is completely and clearly allowed by the law provided that it's done from a clean room environment. As long as the yuzu team hasn't used Nintendo's proprietary information to make their emulator, there is no claim here.
2. The Tegra X1 was a well documented chip before Nintendo chose it, there is no way that they didn't know that security would be an issue.
3. Yuzu did not distribute TotK, and probably didn't push pirating the game. This seems akin to a racetrack owner being sued because a stolen car was driven on it. i don't think this claim goes anywhere provided that the Yuzu team didn't do anything to directly facilitate TotK's piracy such as promoting their emulator runs it or make specific patches to support it before its release.

They probably shouldn't list how to extract keys from your device on their official website, but courts have upheld similar things in the past with jail breaking iPhones and the like.

I'm guessing that Nintendo is trying to force a little guy out by flexing their legal muscles, but this also seems like the sort of case that a tech rights legal team or charity would take pro bono to protect tech rights. These sorts of cases are defended for free or at a discount more often than you'd think.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Are you claiming that if someone owns a game, such as Breath of the Wild or any of the other various games that run sub-optimally on Nintendo's hardware, and they decide to download and play said game on their PC, that's the same as stealing? Deliberately wording it in this way because dumping your own firmware and game rom is tedious and requires additional purchases to make happen.

No, what I am saying is who gives a shit. Play the game. Only nerds with too much time on their hands care about their precious framerates and resolution then go out of their way to emulate and download this crap. That's not going to suddenly make a bad game good, and it's not going to make a good game bad.

 

[Nicktendo]

So we are doing this? Can't have a serious conversation, you just want to shit post. Not getting baited in this time.

I never claimed it was stealing. I just lost brain cells reading your retarded justification for why it's different.

Reddit-tier ballbaggery to an extreme degree, including your gay UHHH TECHNICALLLY explanation for why muh a car or physical item is different. If someone downloads a product for free, the company has lost a sale. You can reeee and say "oh they wouldn't have bought the game anyway, so it doesn't matter!" So why doesn't everyone just do that then? Rules for thee, but not for reee!

Amazing that people who cry about games being safe and woke, in the year of our Lord 2024, don't understand how all of this works and are perfectly happy to pirate products that are not going along with the homo agenda. "Muh it looks better on my PC! Why won't Nintendo cater to MEEEE??" And this shit is not exclusive to Nintendo, the same case can be made for any game which is current gen.

Go play your woke shit if you don't think the price you're being asked to pay for the software is justified. It's your choice, no one is forcing you to buy "sub-optimal" products.

Having your cake and eating it is a great way to exacerbate all of the problems currently found in the games industry, however.

Paying full-whack for something you think is bad or sub-optimal is arguably more cringe than pirating it for free. Giving them 60 of your hard earned greens to support the product as it is released so you can sneak off and play it in 4K60 in an emulator is just giving Nintendo the message that what they're doing is fine. Abused-housewife levels of cuckery tbh. Not giving you what you want but you're still handing over the dough. Maybe they'll change next time!!

If you want them to improve and cater to you, don't buy what they're offering. Chasing visuals and tech is working out very well for Sony and Microsoft, so Nintendo must be CRAZY for not doing the same thing, amirite?

 

[Optimus]

You or people advocating been saying it's not pirating. How is that not pirating? No one will officially Sell those before release date!

The issue I have with emulation is with current console and new games being on net. It's ripe for abuse and pirated. I'm with old games not being sold anymore being emulated.

Because I done paid for those games and was just waiting on it to arrive. Sure, maybe it is technically pirating. Just the same as maybe it's not technically pirating. lol

 

[Optimus]

No, what I am saying is who gives a shit. Play the game. Only nerds with too much time on their hands care about their precious framerates and resolution then go out of their way to emulate and download this crap. That's not going to suddenly make a bad game good, and it's not going to make a good game bad.

Well, in the case of BotW, it got really irksome gliding into places from high above only to find out a damn hinox was laying there sleeping. The game's pop-in draw distances got reduced significantly in those first few weeks post-launch because of all the complaining about stutter in very specific locales like around the Deku tree. Personally, this really reduced the quality of my experience with the game. Yeah, I still enjoyed the game. And I enjoyed the hell out of it a couple of years later playing it at 4K, 60fps with vastly improved enemy draw distances. Yeah, I think that's slightly bigger than you're "only nerds care" claim. It does make a really good game even better.

 

[Hardensoul]

Because I done paid for those games and was just waiting on it to arrive. Sure, maybe it is technically pirating. Just the same as maybe it's not technically pirating. lol

Yes, it is pirating! You didn't ripped your own copy. How can I believe you actually bought the copies or that you may have returned them since you already played them!

 

[Pyrate]

I don't really understand any of this talk about games not running pre-release. TotK may not have been in a playable state via Yuzu when it leaked, but I've played Mario Wonder and Mario RPG ahead of release on my android version of Yuzu.

Are you sure you didn't use mods to achieve that? I know for sure at least for Wonder when it leaked, yuzu couldn't officially be able to run the game.

 

[Optimus]

Yes, it is pirating! You didn't ripped your own copy. How can I believe you actually bought the copies or that you may have returned them since you already played them!

lol

Well, I can take timestamped photos. But then I could AI generate that shit, too... you got me!

 

[Pyrate]

lol

Well, I can take timestamped photos. But then I could AI generate that shit, too... you got me!

I could post a photo of my physical collection and these clowns will still call it piracy. It's a lost cause when you're arguing with stupid.