Thread: Weekly Bible Reading Thread
There was lots of good advice and wisdom in this week's reading. One verse I did have some issue with was 29:5
5 Those who flatter their neighbors
are spreading nets for their feet.
I would usually be nice to my neighbours, especially if we had been living near each other for a while. I guess being overly nice and too differential could be problematic, if they were to betray you later on. Thankfully, in my experience the good neighbours usually stay good neighbours while the bad neighbours usually stay bad as well.
 
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There was lots of good advice and wisdom in this week's reading. One verse I did have some issue with was 29:5

I would usually be nice to my neighbours, especially if we had been living near each other for a while. I guess being overly nice and too differential could be problematic, if they were to betray you later on. Thankfully, in my experience the good neighbours usually stay good neighbours while the bad neighbours usually stay bad as well.

Remember that flattery and abundance of talking are considered signs of a fool in Proverbs.

Whose feet is the net spread for? The flatterer's, or the neighbor's? If the net is spread for the flatterer, it implies that flattery can trip you up and catch you (instead of benefiting you). The flatterer is foolish, thinking that flattery is all it takes to build a neighborly relationship. I've known folks since childhood who would be "super nice" trying to become your friend but it came across as desperate and false.

. If the net is spread for the neighbor's feet, it implies that sometimes flattery is used to lower someone's guard and take advantage of them. In the second case, the flatterer is someone to watch carefully before trusting them fully.

Maybe Solomon complimented the paint job on his neighbor's chariot and then the guy would never shut up about it. I've met neighbors like that. Or maybe, as king, Solomon received all kinds of empty flattery with the intent to snare.
 
There was lots of good advice and wisdom in this week's reading. One verse I did have some issue with was 29:5

I would usually be nice to my neighbours, especially if we had been living near each other for a while. I guess being overly nice and too differential could be problematic, if they were to betray you later on. Thankfully, in my experience the good neighbours usually stay good neighbours while the bad neighbours usually stay bad as well.

There's a big deal between flattery and genuine appreciation. I think that what's being referred to here. Flattery is used to get something out of someone.

Chapter 28 seems to focus a lot on law and justice.
28:4

4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
but those who keep the law strive against them.

Pretty accurate when you look around these days and see the cheering over breaking the law (example, BLM riots, people thinking that health insurance CEO being murdered is acceptable). Ties into 29:8 as well

8 Scoffers set a city aflame,
but the wise turn away wrath

29:9

9 If a wise man has an argument with a fool,
the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

No point in arguing with people who argue in bad faith or have a warped perception of reality. Pretty much sums up the gaming forum XD
 
Proverbs 28:9

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction,
even their prayers are detestable

Is King Solomon talking about those who do not heed his instruction, or the Lord's instruction? This verse is kind of confusing to me if King Solomon is referring to his instruction, because how could Solomon possibly know others' prayers and judge them as being detestable? Or is Solomon saying that refusing to listen to wisdom and such will ruin a man down to the very prayers that he prays? As in, the foundation of that man is ruined and even something that is supposed to be sacred is tainted?
 
Proverbs 28:9

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction,
even their prayers are detestable

Is King Solomon talking about those who do not heed his instruction, or the Lord's instruction? This verse is kind of confusing to me if King Solomon is referring to his instruction, because how could Solomon possibly know others' prayers and judge them as being detestable? Or is Solomon saying that refusing to listen to wisdom and such will ruin a man down to the very prayers that he prays? As in, the foundation of that man is ruined and even something that is supposed to be sacred is tainted?

I suppose that King Solomon is talking about those that don't heed God's instructions, as those who keep going the wrong way would be far better off actually doing the right thing rather than praying about being saved from their own actions. It could be interpreted as Solomon talking about people following his instructions, but that wouldn't need to be included in the Bible.
 
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The reading for this week is Proverbs 30-31, finishing up the book of Proverbs.


Sayings of Agur
30
The sayings of Agur son of Jakeh—an inspired utterance.
This man's utterance to Ithiel:
"I am weary, God,
but I can prevail.[a]
2 Surely I am only a brute, not a man;
I do not have human understanding.
3 I have not learned wisdom,
nor have I attained to the knowledge of the Holy One.
4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Whose hands have gathered up the wind?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!
5 "Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
7 "Two things I ask of you, Lord;
do not refuse me before I die:
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, 'Who is the Lord?'
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.
10 "Do not slander a servant to their master,
or they will curse you, and you will pay for it.
11 "There are those who curse their fathers
and do not bless their mothers;
12 those who are pure in their own eyes
and yet are not cleansed of their filth;
13 those whose eyes are ever so haughty,
whose glances are so disdainful;
14 those whose teeth are swords
and whose jaws are set with knives
to devour the poor from the earth
and the needy from among mankind.
15 "The leech has two daughters.
'Give! Give!' they cry.
"There are three things that are never satisfied,
four that never say, 'Enough!':
16 the grave, the barren womb,
land, which is never satisfied with water,
and fire, which never says, 'Enough!'
17 "The eye that mocks a father,
that scorns an aged mother,
will be pecked out by the ravens of the valley,
will be eaten by the vultures.
18 "There are three things that are too amazing for me,
four that I do not understand:
19 the way of an eagle in the sky,
the way of a snake on a rock,
the way of a ship on the high seas,
and the way of a man with a young woman.
20 "This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats and wipes her mouth
and says, 'I've done nothing wrong.'
21 "Under three things the earth trembles,
under four it cannot bear up:
22 a servant who becomes king,
a godless fool who gets plenty to eat,
23 a contemptible woman who gets married,
and a servant who displaces her mistress.
24 "Four things on earth are small,
yet they are extremely wise:
25 Ants are creatures of little strength,
yet they store up their food in the summer;
26 hyraxes are creatures of little power,
yet they make their home in the crags;
27 locusts have no king,
yet they advance together in ranks;
28 a lizard can be caught with the hand,
yet it is found in kings' palaces.
29 "There are three things that are stately in their stride,
four that move with stately bearing:
30 a lion, mighty among beasts,
who retreats before nothing;
31 a strutting rooster, a he-goat,
and a king secure against revolt.[b]
32 "If you play the fool and exalt yourself,
or if you plan evil,
clap your hand over your mouth!
33 For as churning cream produces butter,
and as twisting the nose produces blood,
so stirring up anger produces strife."

Sayings of King Lemuel
31
The sayings of King Lemuel—an inspired utterance his mother taught him.
2 Listen, my son! Listen, son of my womb!
Listen, my son, the answer to my prayers!
3 Do not spend your strength[c] on women,
your vigor on those who ruin kings.
4 It is not for kings, Lemuel—
it is not for kings to drink wine,
not for rulers to crave beer,
5 lest they drink and forget what has been decreed,
and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.
6 Let beer be for those who are perishing,
wine for those who are in anguish!
7 Let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.
8 Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who are destitute.
9 Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character
10 [d]A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 "Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all."
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

 
I thought that Proverbs 30: 8-9 was nice:

8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, 'Who is the Lord?'
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.

I think that these verses are basically saying that having a moderate income is the best way to be. Extreme financial situations do tend to bring out the worst in people.
 
So far we've covered:

John
James
Joshua
Judges
Ecclesiastes
Proverbs

I'm thinking for the next book that perhaps we could cover Genesis, unless anyone wants to cover something different. I just thought starting it from the beginning would be an easy segway into the Moses books later on.
 
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Genesis is a great chapter to study. I find that the early chapters of Genesis spawn a lot of questions in my mind. I believe that anything is possible with God, so I wont say that we never get the full story in this life on Earth, but there are just not enough details to satisfy my curiosity about the beginning. Maybe it was meant to be, for some reason, that we don't know the full story and everything into the why. I read the Torah several months ago so that would be a good refresher.

I've been having an extraordinarily difficult time understanding Paul's books. I don't know why, but much of Corinthians and second Corinthians and his others do not register. Some of the most profound advice and information comes from Paul, so it's a bit frustrating, but I'm sure next re-read I'll be able to grasp a lot more of the material.

Like from 2015-2018, I was bouncing around Proverbs and reading them because they all interested me yet I didn't understand the wisdom at that time. During our time studying Proverbs, most of the wisdom is understood now and I don't have to question every other verse to know what is being said by King Solomon. It took a decade, but just through living life and experiencing most of Proverbs is no longer a mystery to me.

I think there's a book in the Bible for everyone that will strongly resonate given what people are going through in life.
 
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Genesis is a great chapter to study. I find that the early chapters of Genesis spawn a lot of questions in my mind. I believe that anything is possible with God, so I wont say that we never get the full story in this life on Earth, but there are just not enough details to satisfy my curiosity about the beginning. Maybe it was meant to be, for some reason, that we don't know the full story and everything into the why. I read the Torah several months ago so that would be a good refresher.

I've been having an extraordinarily difficult time understanding Paul's books. I don't know why, but much of Corinthians and second Corinthians and his others do not register. Some of the most profound advice and information comes from Paul, so it's a bit frustrating, but I'm sure next re-read I'll be able to grasp a lot more of the material.

Like from 2015-2018, I was bouncing around Proverbs and reading them because they all interested me yet I didn't understand the wisdom at that time. During our time studying Proverbs, most of the wisdom is understood now and I don't have to question every other verse to know what is being said by King Solomon. It took a decade, but just through living life and experiencing most of Proverbs is no longer a mystery to me.

I think there's a book in the Bible for everyone that will strongly resonate given what people are going through in life.

I guess after Genesis we can go to the two Corinthians books. From what I remember, most of the New Testament chapters after the gospels are full of useful advice so that will be interesting to learn about.
 
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I guess after Genesis we can go to the two Corinthians books. From what I remember, most of the New Testament chapters after the gospels are full of useful advice so that will be interesting to learn about.
We don't have to study Paul's letters afterwards. It's up to you. I'm more interested in reading about the prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel than to pick back up what all that Paul had wrote. Eventually I'm going to go back try again; re-read and study Corinthians and all the rest but it doesn't have to be so soon.
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I was on vacation all week. Here's my thoughts on Proverbs 30-31

Proverbs 30:20-23

20 "This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats and wipes her mouth
and says, 'I've done nothing wrong.'
21 "Under three things the earth trembles,
under four it cannot bear up:
22 a servant who becomes king,
a godless fool who gets plenty to eat,
23 a contemptible woman who gets married,
and a servant who displaces her mistress.

20, I can't be the only one thinking it, can I?
22, basically what happens when those who are unworthy are elevated into high positions. Nothing good ever comes from it.

And a side note for 30, I find it strange how Solomon says "there are 3 things, no 4 things" repeatedly in this chapter (he does it in previous chapters as well). I wonder why he sometimes adds to his totals. Maybe some sort of teaching device? I doubt he was thinking of this stuff off the cuff or forgetting about things as he spoke. He does it repeatedly back to back in this chapter, anyone else wonder about this?

Proverbs 31 is very interesting as well because it's not Solomon and the tone is much different. It's also interesting because it specifically provides guidance for women. Reading through it made me think that finding a woman with the values listed in Proverbs 31 is the way to go. I've been with girls who had none of those values and retrospectively, I can see why it was an awful idea.

Final Thoughts On Proverbs

As I mentioned before, it's my favorite book in the Bible for all of the wisdom on how to live a fulfilling life. One thing that I noticed throughout Proverbs is just the repetition. Certain statements are repeated, often times twice in the same chapter. At the start, Solomon says a few times "my son, heed this instruction". I really think the reason is because it's hard to honestly live by these rules and hold yourself to these standards. Everybody is different and has different areas of their lives they need help with, so while certain verses may seem easy to one reader, to another they'd be a challenge (and vice versa). I believe the repetition is there to make points stick. You have to constantly say these things to yourself and remind yourself of them if you wish to triumph over things in life.
 
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And I'll double post just to keep the Proverbs post separate. I'm down for whatever you guys want to read next. We've spent a lot of times recently in the OT however, maybe do a reading of the NT soon?
 
And a side note for 30, I find it strange how Solomon says "there are 3 things, no 4 things" repeatedly in this chapter (he does it in previous chapters as well). I wonder why he sometimes adds to his totals. Maybe some sort of teaching device? I doubt he was thinking of this stuff off the cuff or forgetting about things as he spoke. He does it repeatedly back to back in this chapter, anyone else wonder about this?

I think that the grouping of the teachings probably would have been a sort of teaching device. We are already noticing its uniqueness and maybe that is what Solomon was trying to achieve.
 
To help keep things more efficient, I've created a second Bible reading thread. I've mainly done it so that it is easier to go back to previous books, if anyone wants to do so.

Here is the link for the new thread: