[DonDonDonPata]

Turn-based strategy game Warhammer 40,000: Battlesector coming to PS4, Xbox One on December 2

Publisher Slitherine and developer Black Lab Games will release turn-based strategy game Warhammer 40,000: Battlesector for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One on December 2, the companies announced. It wil…

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Already launched on PC in July this year. Favorable reviews:



This looks similar to a simple-but-fun W40K on PSP called 'Squad Command'. The Warhammer series seems to be perpetually circling around a simple and user-friendly adaptation of the tabletop (this is not new; it has been this way since the 90s), but Games Workshop enjoys endless spinoffs instead. This looks closer to the real thing.

Kinda sucks that there are only two Codexes plus one expansion (Blood Angels + Tyranids + Sisters of Battle) available. Otherwise, I'm interested. Confirmed campaign plus a skirmish mode, plus versus modes. I might pick it up if/when it gets a physical PS4 release. I really hope they expand with more factions. I want interesting ones like orks, eldar, chaos marines with sub-factions, literally anything but another Human faction like imperium or Ultramarines. That'd be sweet.

Gameplay trailer:

 

[mcz117chief]

Tried it, it is okay, not worth 34€ at all though. My biggest problem is that it is melting GPUs for some reason. I had to play at 1080p 60fps and my RTX2070 Super was still at like 80% and all fans were going full throttle. Possibly very bad optimization.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Tried it, it is okay, not worth 34€ at all though. My biggest problem is that it is melting GPUs for some reason. I had to play at 1080p 60fps and my RTX2070 Super was still at like 80% and all fans were going full throttle. Possibly very bad optimization.

Oh perfect! I remember the PSP version of Squad Command sometimes dipping into 20FPS, while the DS version... lol.

So it'll be N O S T A L G I C

Thank you for the heads up. Might hold off if it's not that good. The skirmish mode is attractive to me, if nothing else. Lotta games (across many genres) omit skirmish modes.

 

[mcz117chief]

Oh perfect! I remember the PSP version of Squad Command sometimes dipping into 20FPS, while the DS version... lol.

So it'll be N O S T A L G I C

Thank you for the heads up. Might hold off if it's not that good. The skirmish mode is attractive to me, if nothing else. Lotta games (across many genres) omit skirmish modes.

Well, you know, you can always sail the high seas and or just refund before the 2 hours mark. Maybe you will enjoy it. I myself found it a nice distraction but I wouldn't pay more than 20€.

 

[manfestival]

Will probably check this out when it goes on sale.

 

[Stilton Disco]

Squad Command remains my favourite 40K game, so I'm very please to hear this is like it and not shit.

Also looks like it at least has the option for proper Space Marines, not just the Primaris bollocks, so great stuff. Will give it a go.

 

[mcz117chief]

Squad Command remains my favourite 40K game, so I'm very please to hear this is like it and not shit.

Also looks like it at least has the option for proper Space Marines, not just the Primaris bollocks, so great stuff. Will give it a go.

The only OG Space Marines when I played were the assault marines though. The rest were primaris. So no tactical squads, devastators or terminators. But maybe they were later down the campaign I dunno.

Edit: list of all units in the game

• Lieutenant (including a unique Lieutenant, Sgt/Lt. Carleon)
• Primaris Librarian
• Sanguinary Priest (including a unique Sanguinary Priest, Brother Aeturo)
• Intercessor Squad
• Inceptor Squad
• Hellblaster Squad
• Aggressor Squad
• Assault Marine Squad
• Death Company Squad
• Techmarine
• Furioso Dreadnought
• Librarian Dreadnought
• Land Speeder
• Land Speeder Typhoon
• Baal Predator

 

[Stilton Disco]

The only OG Space Marines when I played were the assault marines though. The rest were primaris. So no tactical squads, devastators or terminators. But maybe they were later down the campaign I dunno.

Edit: list of all units in the game

• Lieutenant (including a unique Lieutenant, Sgt/Lt. Carleon)
• Primaris Librarian
• Sanguinary Priest (including a unique Sanguinary Priest, Brother Aeturo)
• Intercessor Squad
• Inceptor Squad
• Hellblaster Squad
• Aggressor Squad
• Assault Marine Squad
• Death Company Squad
• Techmarine
• Furioso Dreadnought
• Librarian Dreadnought
• Land Speeder
• Land Speeder Typhoon
• Baal Predator

Well that's pissed on my chips. Really dislike the entire concept of Primaris, let alone their dull as ditch water designs and implementations.

 

[mcz117chief]

Well that's pissed on my chips. Really dislike the entire concept of Primaris, let alone their dull as ditch water designs and implementations.

Yeah, they are just a marketing tool given life in lore the most boring way possible. Instead of giving Marines new gear, new doctrine or new unique chapters they went the least inspired route and just "upgraded" them all instantly. The worst of all, their tactical flexibility has been discarded and are now effectively Imperial Aspect Warriors like the Eldar (Plasma guys, super bolter guys, super melee guys). Still waiting for an official product line of "reasonable marines"

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I think this would be the best place to put this, cross post from GAF.

Let me preface this, I'm aware of what Tabletop Simulator is capable of.

I was looking into Battlesector since it came out on Game Pass, and it got me thinking. I love 40k, but I cannot ever see myself getting into the mini game unless I get a resin 3d printer, because fuck GW prices. I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on injection-molded plastic figurines. To me 40k is novels, videogames, and grim-dank memes.

Do you ever see GW sanctioning a digital version of the actual tabletop game with purchasable models, and full rule sets? I could imagine pre-set 'skins' with full customization options for people to personalize. I would also imagine options for all the dice rolls to happen in the background, or have the ability to run through them step-by-step.

Realistically this will probably never happen, and GW makes Nintendo-level decisions when it comes to leaving money on the table. I would think accessing the other end of the gaming market opposite people willing to spend $200 on a single model is a no-brainer IMO.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Well that's pissed on my chips. Really dislike the entire concept of Primaris, let alone their dull as ditch water designs and implementations.

What has changed with those compared to the Space Marines of old?
Googled it, but not sure now what's up with this.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Well that's pissed on my chips. Really dislike the entire concept of Primaris, let alone their dull as ditch water designs and implementations.

Bro, it took one of humanity's most prominent geniuses, who is an insane amalgamation of multiple of humanity's most prominent geniuses, 10,000 years to make marginal improvements on the Emperor's Crusade-era Astartes.

Show me on the doll where the Primaris shot you with the bolter.

Edit- I'll reiterate that I don't play tabletop, if the Primaris pushed your filthy Xeno army's shit in I get it. I'm just talking from a lore perspective.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

What has changed with those compared to the Space Marines of old?
Googled it, but not sure now what's up with this.

In Universe - Arch-Magos Belisarius Cawl was tasked by Ultramarine Primarch Roboute Guilliman to further improve on the capabilities of the Space Marines shortly after the end of the Horus Heresy. Guilliman gets bodied by his brother Fulgrim shortly after, and Cawl takes advantage of 10,000 years of bureaucratic incompetence to hide his experiments. Events happen, Cadia Stands falls*, and Guilliman is resurrected by his Elf waifu with Cawl's help. Cawl reveals his slightly better space marines, and the Indomitus Crusade is kicked off.

Real Life - Games Workshop wanted to sell more overpriced plastic to people, and needed a reason to get them to open their wallets.

Edit -* The planet broke before the Guard, motherfucker!

 

[Stilton Disco]

Bro, it took one of humanity's most prominent geniuses, who is an insane amalgamation of multiple of humanity's most prominent geniuses, 10,000 years to make marginal improvements on the Emperor's Crusade-era Astartes.

Show me on the doll where the Primaris shot you with the bolter.

Edit- I'll reiterate that I don't play tabletop, if the Primaris pushed your filthy Xeno army's shit in I get it. I'm just talking from a lore perspective.

Actually it's Belasarius Cawl that I have the biggest problem with.

The guy is a fucking Gary Stu arse pull that was shoved into canon out of nowhere and was the lone explanation for fucking everything from reviving Guilliman (completely overshadowing the involvement of Yvrainne and contributing to the Ynnari storyline going nowhere), to inventing totally new and incredibly illegal technology that would have had any other tech priest burnt at the stake, AND creating better Space Marines.

By comparison, the Primaris are out of place for the setting (there were already better Space Marines, the Thunder Warriors that were far more powerful, but would go psychotically insane, the Raptors that got sabotaged by the Alpha Legion, the 21st Founding, that is called the 'Cursed Founding' for a reason, as well as the Custodes and the Grey Knights, that take an insane amount of time, resources and effort to create just one of), and are dull as ditch water (goodbye flexible load outs and customisation, hello specialist units that steal the gimmick of the Eldar), but ultimately just a line refresh to appeal to a broader and more international market.

Cawl though, Cawl absolutely sticks out like some idiots fan character who is the absolute best established at everything, super special and unique and totally knew and was respected by all the settings major characters, they just never mentioned him because of his super top secret mission from one of the actual Primarchs, that the Emperor totally helped him with! Original character, do not steal!

Get rid of Cawl, have the Primaris just be either a bit of Thunder Warrior or Raptor tech, thus unstable and prone to spazzing out, and all the new vehicles be a new STC discovery, and I wouldn't hate them anywhere near as much. Hell, just say it's a new mark of Armour from the aforementioned STC as an excuse for 'True scale' marines, and I'd be fine. As it is though,it fundamentally undermines every Grim Dark thing I used to love about Marines

 

[mcz117chief]

Get rid of Cawl, have the Primaris just be either a bit of Thunder Warrior or Raptor tech, thus unstable and prone to spazzing out, and all the new vehicles be a new STC discovery, and I wouldn't hate them anywhere near as much. Hell, just say it's a new mark of Armour from the aforementioned STC as an excuse for 'True scale' marines, and I'd be fine. As it is though,it fundamentally undermines every Grim Dark thing I used to love about Marines

Literally that. Why not just say it was a new armour and be done with it? They could make them bigger without any explanation since they always were a bit on the short side in the TT. The Primaris thing is total, and most of all unnecessary, nonsense.

Also: read this article, it made me chuckle a bit.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Actually it's Belasarius Cawl that I have the biggest problem with.

The guy is a fucking Gary Stu arse pull that was shoved into canon out of nowhere and was the lone explanation for fucking everything from reviving Guilliman (completely overshadowing the involvement of Yvrainne and contributing to the Ynnari storyline going nowhere), to inventing totally new and incredibly illegal technology that would have had any other tech priest burnt at the stake, AND creating better Space Marines.

By comparison, the Primaris are out of place for the setting (there were already better Space Marines, the Thunder Warriors that were far more powerful, but would go psychotically insane, the Raptors that got sabotaged by the Alpha Legion, the 21st Founding, that is called the 'Cursed Founding' for a reason, as well as the Custodes and the Grey Knights, that take an insane amount of time, resources and effort to create just one of), and are dull as ditch water (goodbye flexible load outs and customisation, hello specialist units that steal the gimmick of the Eldar), but ultimately just a line refresh to appeal to a broader and more international market.

Cawl though, Cawl absolutely sticks out like some idiots fan character who is the absolute best established at everything, super special and unique and totally knew and was respected by all the settings major characters, they just never mentioned him because of his super top secret mission from one of the actual Primarchs, that the Emperor totally helped him with! Original character, do not steal!

Get rid of Cawl, have the Primaris just be either a bit of Thunder Warrior or Raptor tech, thus unstable and prone to spazzing out, and all the new vehicles be a new STC discovery, and I wouldn't hate them anywhere near as much. Hell, just say it's a new mark of Armour from the aforementioned STC as an excuse for 'True scale' marines, and I'd be fine. As it is though,it fundamentally undermines every Grim Dark thing I used to love about Marines

Unless they were going to go balls-deep with the 'Time of Ending' trope you needed something to inject a little hope into the plotline. GW doesn't want to do to 40k what they did to Warhammer Fantasy where the setting nearly died. I expect all the loyalist Primarchs to return over the course of the next decade.

Grim-dark only goes so far before it becomes absurd on its face, and Cawl is hardly a Mary Sue when you take his novel into account. For God's sake the universe is chock-full of Mary Sues if Cawl is one.

 

[Cryptek]

I'm looking forward to the new Chaos Gate game. Man, that looks good.

Warhammer 40k is on a role lately. A lot of new and good games coming out.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

God I want Factor 5 to make a 40k game ala Rogue Squadron.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

So they just made better Space Marines?

 

[Stilton Disco]

Unless they were going to go balls-deep with the 'Time of Ending' trope you needed something to inject a little hope into the plotline. GW doesn't want to do to 40k what they did to Warhammer Fantasy where the setting nearly died. I expect all the loyalist Primarchs to return over the course of the next decade.

Grim-dark only goes so far before it becomes absurd on its face, and Cawl is hardly a Mary Sue when you take his novel into account. For God's sake the universe is chock-full of Mary Sues if Cawl is one.

That novel was a desperate act of damage control and retconing to try and reign in a bit of the backlash, that itself causes more than a few problems.

Also he was there from the very first second they started to "go balls-deep with the 'Time of Ending'". We've literally had all those ancient prophecies confirmed to be starting, characters announcing it's the Wolf Time, the Great Awakening of the Necrons, that The Lion is healed and ready to wake, the Eldar god of the Dead on the verge of birth, return of Kaldor Drago, the Great Game being effectively over for the dark gods in this universe and the final Black Crusade bearing down on Terra.

Cawl was the start of tossing out the status quo and bringing in a new more melodramatic one. And that's what he added; melodrama. Soap opera like arse pulls and dramatic revelations.

Sure, there had been terrible characters before that, and out of place overpowered ones, but they never effected the setting before.

It's also not about hope. Only edgy idiots thought 40K was hopeless and all about the grim dark. It's always had its heroes, thse few brave bastards rallying humanity (or whatever species) agaist the coming darkness. In fact I'd say the greatest symbol of hope in the setting always was and still is Dante, who has been around since second edition, and still outshines every single post Gathering Storm attempt to lighten up the setting.