Seems like a great movie, have to watch it. I've read that there'll be a streaming option soon, so I'll go with that.
Thread: Top Gun: Maverick IOTI Back into the Danger Zone
Official Thread
Kinda feels like a movie that needs to be enjoyed on a big screen tbh.
Fuck your feelings I'll watch it directly in front of my 4k TV.
Seriously though, I would love to watch it in a Cinema. But there's no option here to see it in English and German dubs cause physical pain.
- Platforms
This movie is proof Hollywood can still make amazing blockbuster sequels outside the MCU, but choose not to a vast majority of the time (usually a combination of greed, sheer incompetence, prioritization of insane ideologies, outright hatred and contempt of audiences, ect. Success of this and potentially Avatar 2 could show a shift back to that).
I wish the Star Wars sequels and Independence Day 2 had been as amazing as Top Gun: Maverick is. It truly is deserving of the term "Blockbuster."
I wish the Star Wars sequels and Independence Day 2 had been as amazing as Top Gun: Maverick is. It truly is deserving of the term "Blockbuster."
Reactions are giving me an erection. Can't wait to get my arse into a cinema to see it.
Crossposting from the Box Office OT
Seeing it a second time later this week.
Seeing it a second time later this week.
I think the theatrical release window for most Paramount movies is 45 days, might be longer for Maverick. In any case, it will be released on streaming around July 11-12 (at the earliest).
Cravis
Member
- Platforms
Just saw it. Absolutely amazing. A good ole fashion balls to the walls summer blockbuster.
Stouffers
FAFO
It's incredible. Go see it. 4 Lactating Tits!
OuterSpace
Member
Fun movie. Admittedly slow in some parts, paper supporting cast and really could have used a better score but ultimately delivers on the entertainment. The ending sequence in particular was really enjoyable and then goes wonderfully over the top just for the sake of being a crowd pleaser.
It has become weird seeing an old style star focused blockbuster movie these days and it was nice to get a decent one.
It has become weird seeing an old style star focused blockbuster movie these days and it was nice to get a decent one.
SirKicksalot
Member
I never expected it to lack the first one's energy.
Could have cut all the love interest scenes except for the bar and football bits. All of them were for the benefit of Maverick's character development, but since the story already contradicted the first movie's development and ending, I simply couldn't buy it. "This time he's going to get over Goose and settle down!" - nope, not buying it.
There's a throwaway line about him resisting two months at Top Gun after the first movie and it's just, man, such bullshit. It negates everything that was achieved back then and the more I think about it the dumber it gets. Why was Iceman pulling strings for Maverick when two months after the first movie he went right back to being exactly what Iceman didn't want him to be? And why was any of this even required when Miles Teller's character was so effective?
Anyway the plane scenes are the best plane footage since 9/11 and they should be watched on the biggest screen possible.
Gold Loot
Member
- Platforms
- Platforms
I want to see it again so badly.
It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. Easily in my top 10
It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. Easily in my top 10
Stouffers
FAFO
OuterSpace
Member
Yeah if I ever watch this again at home I'm definitely fast forwarding through all those scenes. The relationship was corny in the original but I feel there's a big difference between a young couple having a sexy fling vs the Bridges of Madison County.
Can't argue your other issues. There's certainly an "overlook or just go with it" factor to the movie.
Hinedorf
Member
- Platforms
I was too young when I saw the original and need to revisit it before this will make any sense to me. I am 100% skeptical of all these dazzling reviews from both press and people.
Only way I can watch this is proper drunk with headphones blasting so I'll be patient for that
Only way I can watch this is proper drunk with headphones blasting so I'll be patient for that
ValiantTraveler
Junior Member
- Platforms
I loved absolutely every minute of this film and was grinning from beginning to end. It delivered everything I wanted and then some. Feels like a film straight from the 80s/90s. The last 20 minutes reminded me of MGS1.
Not gonna lie, I had an emotional moment when the F-14 turned up.
- Platforms
What movie from 1917 are you referring to?
- Platforms
Nancy Pelosi's first sex tape
Watched it in XD. I thought all you nerds were over hyping it. Best movie I have seen in a longtime and one of my all time favorites. I loved how grounded it was and then the end just took it to 100. I couldn't stop smiling the whole time.
I'm very happy it was not woke. Added bonus- Theatre was packed in the middle of the day. Lots of old timers which I was not expecting. I bet the movie has massive legs.
I'm very happy it was not woke. Added bonus- Theatre was packed in the middle of the day. Lots of old timers which I was not expecting. I bet the movie has massive legs.
Last edited:
Hinedorf
Member
- Platforms
I just watched the OG Top Gun and there were some mind blowing things to me..... first off I'm a San Diego native and happen to work about a mile from where that base is. There's a very early scene in the movie where Tom Cruise is driving down a very straight road adjacent to the air base that I've literally raced down the same road on my 125cc white scooter all the same in the danger zone!
That being said I thought the movie was badass despite some really cheesedick 80's music/romance but the air combat had me all in.
I can totally see the hype for the new movie and can only imagine with improvement in technology this is probably the only movie I can think of ever going back to the movie theater again to see it in IMAX.
That being said I thought the movie was badass despite some really cheesedick 80's music/romance but the air combat had me all in.
I can totally see the hype for the new movie and can only imagine with improvement in technology this is probably the only movie I can think of ever going back to the movie theater again to see it in IMAX.
Right, time for my proper post on the topic. Soooo...First up, the planes are amazing. Properly amazing. The cinematography around them is brilliant, the action scenes are done brilliantly and maintain coherence throughout (which isn't always the case with modern CGI action scenes - having everything practical with real planes helps provide that grounding). Basically I can't fault that side of it at all. If you want big sexy planes doing sexy plane things, this is your movie.
Second, it doesn't hate us. There's some fan service with the infamous cobra move, some flashbacks to scenes with Goose (which look a little incongruous with the lower quality film), the polaroid from giving the bird, and the F-14 which is handled in some ways like the new Star Wars handles the Millennium Falcon, it's a museum piece and Maverick just about remembers how to use it while his young co-pilot (not naming to avoid spoiler) notes that it's an old heap of junk. Truth is it is old, the F-14 entered service in 1970 I think, so it's like a movie in 1986 having someone get in a Spitfire (and now you all feel old). When you see the inside of it actually it's amazing how old-fashioned it looks, though I have a feeling they may have been using an older revision than the one used in Top Gun (btw it was retired from use about 5 years after Top Gun). I'll be honest, I had a bit of an emotional moment when they fired it up, though I will just note that it's quite a glaring plot hole and its use shows that perhaps Tom has spent too long in Mission Impossible.
Where it falls down a bit is in not recognising that Top Gun was about more than just amazing planes (though god those planes were sexy - they made all of us want to be pilots and you can bet your arse when I was playing F-19 Stealth Fighter on my Atari ST the Top Gun music was playing in my head). It was also about male bonding. Sure there was the love interest, but even that existed within a context of male bonding, and you had the cheeky ribbing (such as the bet being to acquire carnal knowledge.. of a lady this time), you had perfect one-liners that anyone of a certain age will remember today.. take me to bed or lose me forever.. I feel the need, the need for speed.. sure it's cheesy but the point is it's a film where everyone has the perfect line, the perfect comeback, straight away, in a way that doesn't happen in real life, and that's fine because movies are about extraordinary people. Maverick doesn't have that. Some of the dialogue could have been lifted from the bad Ghostbusters unfortunately.
Similarly the cast isn't that interesting. The original had a couple of pilots who were cardboard cut-outs of course, but you had the central roster of Ice, Maverick, Goose, James Tolkan as Stinger with that brilliant line above, Tom Skerritt as Viper, and Meg Ryan as Goose's wife, hell even the love interest Kelly McGillis got some great lines. All of them were larger than life. The banter, the back and forth, was fantastic, everyone trying to get one over on each other in a playful way, it's the perfect example of male bonding in many ways, the same way I greet my mates I've not seen in a while with "alright you old cunt?" only those guys are funnier.
The new cast couldn't really do that. I'm not sure if it was the casting or the writing, probably a bit of both, but the writing definitely felt like it was holding back, the fear of cancellation is probably real. We lose that blue collar maleness that made Top Gun so good. It's a shame really when so much effort was put into the film. Technically it's fantastic and it's well-written overall in that the plot is serviceable enough as a vehicle for the action, but you just don't get cool (and admittedly unrealistic) stuff like the polaroid with the MiG, etc. There are callbacks to those moments but no new ones to give the film cultural relevance in 35 years in the same way Top Gun did.
Finally, this is a film of its time and made me feel a little sad for it. This time the US has the weaker tech, the enemy has caught up, and for plot contrivance reasons they're going in with a disadvantage with old F-18s vs modern enemy fighters, and it feels a bit like it knows we're just putting off the inevitable defeat from a stronger enemy. There was never that feeling in the 80s, there was a certain swagger that Top Gun captured perfectly, and it's missing from Maverick. The other thing is that focusing on the teacher rather than the students limits what the film can do in some ways, but it also shows that the youngsters just aren't up to it - like a Football Manager game where the regens are all crap so Wayne Rooney is still running around in his mid-40s as the best striker available. Where is the next Tom Cruise? I don't see him anywhere. Thing is though a young pilot with flaws finding himself, that classic hero story so popular in the 80s with Rocky, Karate Kid, Top Gun, Star Wars, it's the classic tale and we don't get that anymore, and that's a bad thing. We need those stories, but nobody makes them anymore.
I don't want to sound like I'm dunking on it completely. I had a good time, the planes were amazing, but I can't help feeling the sequel was made when the tech was right but the world wasn't.
Second, it doesn't hate us. There's some fan service with the infamous cobra move, some flashbacks to scenes with Goose (which look a little incongruous with the lower quality film), the polaroid from giving the bird, and the F-14 which is handled in some ways like the new Star Wars handles the Millennium Falcon, it's a museum piece and Maverick just about remembers how to use it while his young co-pilot (not naming to avoid spoiler) notes that it's an old heap of junk. Truth is it is old, the F-14 entered service in 1970 I think, so it's like a movie in 1986 having someone get in a Spitfire (and now you all feel old). When you see the inside of it actually it's amazing how old-fashioned it looks, though I have a feeling they may have been using an older revision than the one used in Top Gun (btw it was retired from use about 5 years after Top Gun). I'll be honest, I had a bit of an emotional moment when they fired it up, though I will just note that it's quite a glaring plot hole and its use shows that perhaps Tom has spent too long in Mission Impossible.
Where it falls down a bit is in not recognising that Top Gun was about more than just amazing planes (though god those planes were sexy - they made all of us want to be pilots and you can bet your arse when I was playing F-19 Stealth Fighter on my Atari ST the Top Gun music was playing in my head). It was also about male bonding. Sure there was the love interest, but even that existed within a context of male bonding, and you had the cheeky ribbing (such as the bet being to acquire carnal knowledge.. of a lady this time), you had perfect one-liners that anyone of a certain age will remember today.. take me to bed or lose me forever.. I feel the need, the need for speed.. sure it's cheesy but the point is it's a film where everyone has the perfect line, the perfect comeback, straight away, in a way that doesn't happen in real life, and that's fine because movies are about extraordinary people. Maverick doesn't have that. Some of the dialogue could have been lifted from the bad Ghostbusters unfortunately.
Similarly the cast isn't that interesting. The original had a couple of pilots who were cardboard cut-outs of course, but you had the central roster of Ice, Maverick, Goose, James Tolkan as Stinger with that brilliant line above, Tom Skerritt as Viper, and Meg Ryan as Goose's wife, hell even the love interest Kelly McGillis got some great lines. All of them were larger than life. The banter, the back and forth, was fantastic, everyone trying to get one over on each other in a playful way, it's the perfect example of male bonding in many ways, the same way I greet my mates I've not seen in a while with "alright you old cunt?" only those guys are funnier.
The new cast couldn't really do that. I'm not sure if it was the casting or the writing, probably a bit of both, but the writing definitely felt like it was holding back, the fear of cancellation is probably real. We lose that blue collar maleness that made Top Gun so good. It's a shame really when so much effort was put into the film. Technically it's fantastic and it's well-written overall in that the plot is serviceable enough as a vehicle for the action, but you just don't get cool (and admittedly unrealistic) stuff like the polaroid with the MiG, etc. There are callbacks to those moments but no new ones to give the film cultural relevance in 35 years in the same way Top Gun did.
Finally, this is a film of its time and made me feel a little sad for it. This time the US has the weaker tech, the enemy has caught up, and for plot contrivance reasons they're going in with a disadvantage with old F-18s vs modern enemy fighters, and it feels a bit like it knows we're just putting off the inevitable defeat from a stronger enemy. There was never that feeling in the 80s, there was a certain swagger that Top Gun captured perfectly, and it's missing from Maverick. The other thing is that focusing on the teacher rather than the students limits what the film can do in some ways, but it also shows that the youngsters just aren't up to it - like a Football Manager game where the regens are all crap so Wayne Rooney is still running around in his mid-40s as the best striker available. Where is the next Tom Cruise? I don't see him anywhere. Thing is though a young pilot with flaws finding himself, that classic hero story so popular in the 80s with Rocky, Karate Kid, Top Gun, Star Wars, it's the classic tale and we don't get that anymore, and that's a bad thing. We need those stories, but nobody makes them anymore.
I don't want to sound like I'm dunking on it completely. I had a good time, the planes were amazing, but I can't help feeling the sequel was made when the tech was right but the world wasn't.
Forgot a couple of things in the above that I wanted to mention.
The love interest was a bit pointless really. Obviously Jennifer Connelly is a hot milf and it's always good to see her, but I'm not sure the relationship added much to the film. Being an already-established relationship from his past you might expect a bit more chemistry, and to be fair there's more there than elsewhere, but it's never as convincing a relationship as Goose and his wife and kid in the first film (though again there's that young couple thing going on which makes it more interesting and dynamic - older couples have a different energy which just isn't as exciting on film) and lacks the new romance excitement of the first film's love interest. To me the end scene focusing too much on that instead of the relationship with Goose Jr was an error too, as it missed the point of what the film is about.
Music is my second concern, which ties into the above in a way. Mostly they leaned into modern trends for more orchestral soundtracks, a wise choice since there's not much out there that could have worked from the world of pop music (though perhaps someone like Bruno Mars might have been able to add something cool), but again that sits there with the problem that the movie is made at the wrong time, a time when the arts are basically dead in the West. It does however have one egregious exception, the song at the end as he flies off in his little plane, which is frankly out of place.
As you can see, it's fine, but it's no Take My Breath Away, it won't have the same cultural resonance.
The love interest was a bit pointless really. Obviously Jennifer Connelly is a hot milf and it's always good to see her, but I'm not sure the relationship added much to the film. Being an already-established relationship from his past you might expect a bit more chemistry, and to be fair there's more there than elsewhere, but it's never as convincing a relationship as Goose and his wife and kid in the first film (though again there's that young couple thing going on which makes it more interesting and dynamic - older couples have a different energy which just isn't as exciting on film) and lacks the new romance excitement of the first film's love interest. To me the end scene focusing too much on that instead of the relationship with Goose Jr was an error too, as it missed the point of what the film is about.
Music is my second concern, which ties into the above in a way. Mostly they leaned into modern trends for more orchestral soundtracks, a wise choice since there's not much out there that could have worked from the world of pop music (though perhaps someone like Bruno Mars might have been able to add something cool), but again that sits there with the problem that the movie is made at the wrong time, a time when the arts are basically dead in the West. It does however have one egregious exception, the song at the end as he flies off in his little plane, which is frankly out of place.
As you can see, it's fine, but it's no Take My Breath Away, it won't have the same cultural resonance.
- Platforms
Just got back from the movie and we had a good time! My dad worked on F-14, F-16 and F-18 jet engines and it was cool listening to my dad talking about them.
The ending was convinient though lol
The ending was convinient though lol
of course they found the ONE F14 that was in perfect condition and made it out alive. Can't have Maverick die lol
Last edited: