Calcium
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The fucking Hobbits lasted longer against a Troll than these tested elven warriors. No consideration given to common sense whatsoever, qween needs to slay.
Thread: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power IOTI It is here, Galadriel. The moment we feared
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Hardensoul
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Copy/pasta from other site! Watching out of curiosity. It's shit so far!
The dialogue is bad, what's with the opening sequence with the kids. The ship was clearly floating/sailing but oh now bully sinks it with rock and saying it didn't float!
Then the philosophical talk with. Brother about difference with the rock and ship! Wtf!
Also, what was Galadriel wearing the huge dress that fans out on the grass like a wedding dress! How is she moving around with it! Oh right they never show her walking around with it! Smh
The score is overbearing, why does it have to be so loud and at wrong times that it drowns out the dialogue and special effect sounds, it was very distracting!
The dialogue is bad, what's with the opening sequence with the kids. The ship was clearly floating/sailing but oh now bully sinks it with rock and saying it didn't float!
Then the philosophical talk with. Brother about difference with the rock and ship! Wtf!
Also, what was Galadriel wearing the huge dress that fans out on the grass like a wedding dress! How is she moving around with it! Oh right they never show her walking around with it! Smh
The score is overbearing, why does it have to be so loud and at wrong times that it drowns out the dialogue and special effect sounds, it was very distracting!
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Hardensoul
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I've seen that montage of Elf capital destroyed before!
It looked like the Burning of Tedrassil by the Horde on WoW, almost exact sequence! I never read the books, so it's just observation!
It looked like the Burning of Tedrassil by the Horde on WoW, almost exact sequence! I never read the books, so it's just observation!
GreyHorace
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I've read all the books, even the Silmarillion. And while I do see the deviations Jackson did from Tolkien's text, I don't think all of them were negative. Hell, I'll take a controversial position and readily say some of them were improvements, especially with regards to pacing. The Fellowship of the Ring is a slow ass book to read through and it takes forever for Tolkien to get the plot going forward. Jackson deserves credit for quickening the pace for impatient moviegoers and those first 3 hours just fly past because you're so invested in it.
The LOTR movie trilogy is fantastic but not without it's flaws. The Hobbit trilogy on the other hand, is just a mess but I'll save that rant for another day.
BaneIsPain
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I don't even know where to start. So many missing pieces, contradictions, and dialogues didn't help. This is not a slow burn, this pure bland, and poor pacing. I'm glad I don't contribute to their viewing count. 1 example is enough, how the hell Galadriel can swim that far?
"You haven't seen what I have seen" rings true for this show. positive thing I can say is does look expensive tv show.
"You haven't seen what I have seen" rings true for this show. positive thing I can say is does look expensive tv show.
Stifler's Mom
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I concur with the pacing. Really done well.
I have a bit of problems with a few of the scenes, where I think the movies deviate too much from the atmosphere the book portrays, or are outright wrong.
That whole section in the prancing pony felt more like a horror movie than a homely tavern to me, for example. Or Galadriel turning into monster in that sequence in Lorien is very out there, too.
And the aforementioned Elves parading up like it's the the Hitler Wagner gay club of Stuttgart in Helm's Deep is outright silly and wrong.
but YMMV off course...
GreyHorace
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The Prancing Pony is one of those unfortunate changes PJ had to make when adapting a book into film. It's made more sinister in the movie so as to keep the tension up, as just a few scenes before the hobbits first encountered the Nazgul. Having it be a merry ol' tavern would have killed the building suspense so it's a change I can agree with. Same with his other big change, scrapping The Scouring of the Shire. After the destroying the Ring and being made heroes it'd be a jarring for audiences to watch Frodo and his buddies to go all commando on Saruman and Wormtongue for destroying their home.I concur with the pacing. Really done well.
I have a bit of problems with a few of the scenes, where I think the movies deviate too much from the atmosphere the book portrays, or are outright wrong.
That whole section in the prancing pony felt more like a horror movie than a homely tavern to me, for example. Or Galadriel turning into monster in that sequence in Lorien is very out there, too.
And the aforementioned Elves parading up like it's the the Hitler Wagner gay club of Stuttgart in Helm's Deep is outright silly and wrong.
but YMMV off course...
I agree somewhat with the nuclear Galadriel scene though. It was way over the top in showing how she could be corrupted by the One Ring. On the other hand, PJ's take on Bilbo nearly succumbing to the Ring's influence once more in Rivendell is brilliant and also downright scary!
Gonna guess like most things its got (just slightly) more 0/10 score trolls than 10/10 defenders. So Audience is probably somewhere around the mid 50s?
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that fight scene was so poorly made. I've seen low budget films that mst3k riffed that looked better than that. Also a side note why do all action scenes have to be over the top instead of realistic? The realistic fighting looks better
Visually its stunning, scenery and everything else......you can see this that this is a high budget tv series.
There are part and dialogues I really like, I think the show can do well if it continues in a specific direction
but it hard to overlook the deviations from the book and as @BaneIsPain said, the pace is off, its actually very noticeable as you go on.
I don't mind the score, it sound epic and medieval like.
Overall from what I've seen I'd give it a 5/10. Its average.
There are really cool scenes that deserve far more exploring but all they do it give you a glimpse and move on, which is down right criminal given how spectacular the scenery is in this series and the amount of money they invest in it.
There are part and dialogues I really like, I think the show can do well if it continues in a specific direction
but it hard to overlook the deviations from the book and as @BaneIsPain said, the pace is off, its actually very noticeable as you go on.
I don't mind the score, it sound epic and medieval like.
Overall from what I've seen I'd give it a 5/10. Its average.
There are really cool scenes that deserve far more exploring but all they do it give you a glimpse and move on, which is down right criminal given how spectacular the scenery is in this series and the amount of money they invest in it.
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Hardensoul
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I agree, the score isn't bad. It's just the placement was distracting. If the volume was turned down at certain points it would've been less distracting.
Some of the dialogue was cringe, guess it's good thing the score drowns it out!
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cryptoadam
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They gonna ban your Amazon Prime if you give it a negative review LOL....
I don't doubt the positive reviews are all paid off reviewers.
I don't doubt the positive reviews are all paid off reviewers.
My biggest problem was making the ghost army the "you win" button.
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It's fine it's just really fucking dull. Some of the dialogue feels really clunky. Galadriel has spent more time swimming than anything else thus far. 2 hours felt like 5.
Must give credit to the sets, CG and score. All top notch.
I'm not exactly sure what reviewers have seen to proclaim this being worthy of anything above a 5. So far it seems as though it's laying the foundations to something greater, but it's glacial pace is killing any immersion I have.
Must give credit to the sets, CG and score. All top notch.
I'm not exactly sure what reviewers have seen to proclaim this being worthy of anything above a 5. So far it seems as though it's laying the foundations to something greater, but it's glacial pace is killing any immersion I have.
BaneIsPain
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If this continues, there will be likely more allegory. Didn't showrunners know that Tolkien hates allegory?
Dacon
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I hope you guys aren't watching this shit on prime.
I don't know why you would want to feed the fucking machine like that.
I don't know why you would want to feed the fucking machine like that.
I'm still astounded that Amazon gave such a big show to a couple of greenhorn showrunner tbh. The dudes have fuck all credits to their names.
Just watched the first episode. I like it so far. It's a bit slow, but that's unexpected for a first episode where characters need to be established.
I watched the blindwave reaction, i have to admit im interested in watching this myself.
The user reviews on MetaCritic are hilarious.
And so on. Based on the first couple pages, MAYBE 1 in 5 positive reviews didn't hurl insults and assume intent. Pretty funny that they are doing exactly what they are mad about.
And so on. Based on the first couple pages, MAYBE 1 in 5 positive reviews didn't hurl insults and assume intent. Pretty funny that they are doing exactly what they are mad about.
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I'll have to wait to see if it turns out ok before I watch. I'm really tired of the girl boss shit. Don't these fucks realize we've ALWAYS had strong females. It's just that now, they have to be stronger and better than every man, never have any faults, and rarely show vulnerability.
Shit, I just watched the original Poltergeist yesterday. The heroes were women! The mom went after her daughter and showed actual love for her husband and was vulnerable as hell when she fell into the pool. Badass. Everyone remembers the little "This house is clean." woman. We loved them. It wasn't shoved in our face. These new woke writers well NEVER get it.
Shit, I just watched the original Poltergeist yesterday. The heroes were women! The mom went after her daughter and showed actual love for her husband and was vulnerable as hell when she fell into the pool. Badass. Everyone remembers the little "This house is clean." woman. We loved them. It wasn't shoved in our face. These new woke writers well NEVER get it.
Calcium
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All this focus on creating strong female characters lately and they still aren't putting out anything that even comes close to Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor. They just aren't capable of creating good characters, no matter the gender.
Fucking wild. The perfect definition of a strong female lead and yet they can't recreate it. Strong woman deserve a place pop culture but they need to be well written.
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Can't say I am surprised. People are curious, there's a big budget thrown behind it and the reviews are all over the place.
Won't be surprised if this is the last time Amazon release numbers though.
I'm already grimacing at the thought of watching another hour, let alone 6.
I was one of that 25 million. I am ashamed but I foresee it dropping. Its not good. Unless they address the issues, its not gonna last.
Pumpkin Seeds
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I will try to finish one episode of this. The writing was bad enough in the early minutes that I shut it off.
JORMBO
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I watched the first episode. Great visuals, but it was boring.
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That's an outright incredible feat right there, somehow making Middle Earth of all places boring.
Dacon
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It's what happens when you have millions of retards whining about shit being woke but still watching this crap for dumbass reasons. That's why this shit will never stop.
dude stfu. im just one person it doesnt matter. doesnt matter that i pay disney and amazon and netflix every month. my whining on an extremely small video game forum is enough to get it cancelled.
BaneIsPain
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In a way, I felt the Hobbit like a proper middle-earth regardless the quality of the movie. Maybe, a stronger casts did help.
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I like how the first episode focuses on how the elves are thousands of years old while also unable to forget anything and why that's such a problematic combination. I'm the hoping one of the arcs is Galadriel struggling to move beyond being the genocidal maniac the orcs think she is. I thought the opening line of there being light before the first sunrise wasn't just generic nonsense but describes how they didn't have the normal passage of time where they're from. The opening felt like the early part of a creation story, especially with them being kids, and I liked how it came together with the ending.
The audio quality is incredible. In my experience Amazon has always had the best sound out of the streaming services and they took advantage of that here. It felt really epic in some parts.
But there's no way around it - there's a lot of bad acting here. I also thought there's sometimes something slightly off with some of the lighting. When these two things come together, it goes from looking like really well executed fantasy to a daytime soap opera.
They should have shown more about what happened with Morgoth, like the original trilogy did with Sauron, or else it's just too disconnected to go from the idyllic opening to everyone already in Middle Earth thinking an ancient threat is gone.
This show could be something great maybe next season if they listen to feedback and try to salvage the investment but I wouldn't expect much from this first one.
The audio quality is incredible. In my experience Amazon has always had the best sound out of the streaming services and they took advantage of that here. It felt really epic in some parts.
But there's no way around it - there's a lot of bad acting here. I also thought there's sometimes something slightly off with some of the lighting. When these two things come together, it goes from looking like really well executed fantasy to a daytime soap opera.
They should have shown more about what happened with Morgoth, like the original trilogy did with Sauron, or else it's just too disconnected to go from the idyllic opening to everyone already in Middle Earth thinking an ancient threat is gone.
This show could be something great maybe next season if they listen to feedback and try to salvage the investment but I wouldn't expect much from this first one.
Hardensoul
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I was curious as a lot of people are. I didn't see much of the trailers. But I heard of the criticisms. I watch alot of Nerdrotic and Geeks and Gamers. I was hoping that it wasn't true.
It's Lord of the Rings, the granddaddy of most if not all fantasy genre. The Trilogy movies are still the considered the best by many! It would attract everyone who's heard of it.
So, the fist few episodes will get historic views until people see how shit it was and looks like at will continue to be shit!