Thread: The legal issues with paternity fraud, and how rampant it is.

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Determining how prevelant paternity fraud is makes for some informative reading. One of the more credible sources on this subject is the AABB. In 1995, the AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) reported on test results from 280,000 paternity tests performed in their labs that year. Some of the report findings were: 1) Roughly 30% of the time, test results ruled out the named father as the biological father; 2) Marital status did not statistically alter the results. I.E. married women were as likely to misrepresent paternity as were single women; 3) The percentage was greater than 30% if it wasn’t the woman’s first pregnancy.


Had heard that stat previously that in a classroom DNA test, suddenly nearly 1/3rd of children were found to be from another man. But that could have just been one random area. Had heard lower estimates also. But now here it seems we have another independent and more reliable source with far larger sample attesting(confirming) that it is indeed basically 1 out of every 3 kids whose named father is not the biological father.

Very interesting indeed.

I still think I need to triple check this, but if true it is astounding.
 
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Pretty scummy for the number to be that high, if accurate. It basically means:

1: Multiple partners at conception.
2: They’re picking whichever partner best suits them, and lying to that partner about the child being theirs, as well as depriving the actual parent of any knowledge that their kid exists.

We need a much better culture than one where this kind of thing is this omnipresent.
 
Pretty scummy for the number to be that high, if accurate. It basically means:

1: Multiple partners at conception.
2: They’re picking whichever partner best suits them, and lying to that partner about the child being theirs, as well as depriving the actual parent of any knowledge that their kid exists.

We need a much better culture than one where this kind of thing is this omnipresent.

Researched a bit more, some sources say this was the result of men who sought testing. The source claims this means they thought their partner was lying, but I would say that is not necessarily the case. Still if it is indeed from men who sought testing, it is conceivable the real stat could be lower, and the classroom example could have been an exceptional case.


The Prevalence of Paternity Deceit - Statistics​

The need to know one's own human biological identity is as strong as the need to have your own family.

The government has no right to take a child away from a biological parent unless it is proven that the child is in danger and needs to be protected from the biological parents.

Yet, with conclusive studies that show between 10% and 16% of the general population are victims of paternity deceit, there are no laws to protect men and the most vulnerable people in our society, our newborn babies.
American Association of Blood Banks

Sometimes misquoted, the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB) publishes an annual report with DNA paternity testing statistics. Note that the statistics were concerning men that suspected that they are not the father and therefore sought testing.

Parentage Testing Program Unit - 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks that found that in 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not the biological father.. The annual DNA testing results for the AABB haven't varied much over many years
 
Man, what a horrible position this would be if you were put in it. My daughter is like my best friend and it would absolutely destroy me if I found out she wasn’t mine. Now, my wife and I have basically been inseparable since we first met so I’d have no reason to believe any kind of deceit however I can only imagine the emotional distress something like this would cause. Especially if the child was older and you raised it from the day it was born. I don’t think there’s any amount of money the court could award you that would remedy that feeling.
 
Man, what a horrible position this would be if you were put in it. My daughter is like my best friend and it would absolutely destroy me if I found out she wasn’t mine. Now, my wife and I have basically been inseparable since we first met so I’d have no reason to believe any kind of deceit however I can only imagine the emotional distress something like this would cause. Especially if the child was older and you raised it from the day it was born. I don’t think there’s any amount of money the court could award you that would remedy that feeling.
A lot of this stuff is being found out without necessarily looking for parenting. People have gotten DNA tests for ancestry to find out about distant family, and all of a sudden someone entirely unrelated appears as close family(someone who also took the ancestry test appears as a brother, or uncle, or grand father etc.), iirc. They are surprised and shocked by these findings.
 
I read an article on those ancestry DNA tests you can take at home, where up to 40% of the results they gave out had the person marked as the biological father not being the actual parent.

The article had quotes saying this was so high precisely because they're used as a cheap paternity test by a lot of guys, but no where near all of them, and that infact the number one complaint, that all these testing companies got, was from families accusing them of making a mistake, or of lying, when a kid turned out not to be related to their 'father'.
 


Had heard that stat previously that in a classroom DNA test, suddenly nearly 1/3rd of children were found to be from another man. But that could have just been one random area. Had heard lower estimates also. But now here it seems we have another independent and more reliable source with far larger sample attesting(confirming) that it is indeed basically 1 out of every 3 kids whose named father is not the biological father.

Very interesting indeed.

I still think I need to triple check this, but if true it is astounding.

However, this data is from what 30 years ago ?
 
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I read an article on those ancestry DNA tests you can take at home, where up to 40% of the results they gave out had the person marked as the biological father not being the actual parent.

The article had quotes saying this was so high precisely because they're used as a cheap paternity test by a lot of guys, but no where near all of them, and that infact the number one complaint, that all these testing companies got, was from families accusing them of making a mistake, or of lying, when a kid turned out not to be related to their 'father'.
What would be interesting to see is not the ancestry stats on children who got tested, but on adults who decided to test themselves to get their ancestry tree. As most of these adults probably wouldn't be suspecting their father is not their father. That would probably give a more accurate estimate of the real rate.
 
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Do you expect that it somehow got better in the last 30 years?


I can’t think of a single thing that’s gotten better in the last 30 years lol.

Yes, since people are more aware of DNA testing I expect cheaters to be more careful.

You give people too much credit. In fact thanks to dating apps and the internet in general cheating has never been easier.
 
Pretty scummy for the number to be that high, if accurate. It basically means:

1: Multiple partners at conception.
2: They’re picking whichever partner best suits them, and lying to that partner about the child being theirs, as well as depriving the actual parent of any knowledge that their kid exists.

We need a much better culture than one where this kind of thing is this omnipresent.
They're also probably fucking a bunch of look-a-likes. lol
 
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Pretty scummy for the number to be that high, if accurate. It basically means:

1: Multiple partners at conception.
2: They’re picking whichever partner best suits them, and lying to that partner about the child being theirs, as well as depriving the actual parent of any knowledge that their kid exists.

We need a much better culture than one where this kind of thing is this omnipresent.
But but but the PATRIARCHY YOU BIGOT!!!
 
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I'd bet money that most people's assumed ancestry is at least somewhat wrong, due to this type of thing. As long as the baby comes from the same general people group, it isn't going to be hard to pass off as the dad's.

Couple that with people lying about parentage for cultural reasons (oh no, mom just had another baby at 40, it totally wasn't the oldest daughter getting knocked up at 16), and lying about parentage for legal reasons (of course this kid I am immigrating into the country with is mine and not my cousin's), and the family tree in reality might not follow the approved story told by the family.

My family tree is all sorts of fucked up; we are finding family we didn't know about all over the place. :unsure:
 
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I'd bet money that most people's assumed ancestry is at least somewhat wrong, due to this type of thing. As long as the baby comes from the same general people group, it isn't going to be hard to pass off as the dad's.

Couple that with people lying about parentage for cultural reasons (oh no, mom just had another baby at 40, it totally wasn't the oldest daughter getting knocked up at 16), and lying about parentage for legal reasons (of course this kid I am immigrating into the country with is mine and not my cousin's), and the family tree in reality might not follow the approved story told by the family.

My family tree is all sorts of fucked up; we are finding family we didn't know about all over the place. :unsure:
I did one of those ancestry DNA tests last year, and it matches up with what I know of my family history, which is recorded on my mother's side going back about a thousand years, so that was reassuring.

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My father was Scottish, from the bit there in the dotted line, while my mother's from the similarly marked south east of England.

Everything else is almost certainly due to my my maternal family being renowned for their, let's say, incredibly friendly and welcoming attitudes.
 
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