[Cryptek]

There is a Magical operation of maximum importance; the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood...

The Legacy of Kain series is one of the best video game series ever made. It took the vampire horror genre and mixed it with high fantasy with a rich and detailed world and for its time, had great voice acting especially Simon Templeton and Tony Jay.

Not only was the voice acting above average, but the story as well. In fact, the story was quite complex even by today's standard. Every game was part of the whole, spanning different eras and throughout the physical and spectral realms.

The game was released in the mid 90s during the goth music and fashion craze.

In fact, I recall requesting the album by Information Society used in the game during my nights at the goth clubs.

While the first game Blood Omen is difficult to come across due to licensing issues, the rest of the games in the series are available on GOG.

 

[mcz117chief]

It was ok I guess.

I never finished any of the games. I played the original, Soul Reaver and Defiance and I always got bored from the constant puzzles, backtracking and mediocre combat. The story is ok but it never grabbed me, all the aliens and stuff, not my style in a fantasy setting. Janos Audron was a major disappointment. I expected him to be this awesome, powerful vampire with a real presence, but he was just a nerdy little blue vampire.

When it comes to vampire games Vampire The Masquerade Redemption and Bloodlines shit on them from a mile high.

 

[Cryptek]

It was ok I guess.

I never finished any of the games. I played the original, Soul Reaver and Defiance and I always got bored from the constant puzzles, backtracking and mediocre combat. The story is ok but it never grabbed me, all the aliens and stuff, not my style in a fantasy setting. Janos Audron was a major disappointment. I expected him to be this awesome, powerful vampire with a real presence, but he was just a nerdy little blue vampire.

When it comes to vampire games Vampire The Masquerade Redemption and Bloodlines shit on them from a mile high.

Aliens?

Never actually played Vampire: The Masquerade on PC despite being a huge World of Darkness fanatic. I owned maybe a couple thousand dollars worth of oWoD books but I was more into Mage, Wraith and Changeling.

And now they have a Wraith game coming out and it's one of my all time favorite pencil and paper RPGs but unfortunately it's a VR only game.

 

[mcz117chief]

Aliens?

Hylden, you know, the main antagonists of the series?

 

[Cryptek]

Hylden, you know, the main antagonists of the series?

They're not aliens. They were an advanced race from Nosgoth that was banished to the Demon Realm far in the past.

 

[mcz117chief]

They're not aliens. They were an advanced race from Nosgoth that was banished to the Demon Realm far in the past.

I expected this answer... They basically said that all the story, all the plots, all the events were pre-planned by this "race" that: came from the sky, looks completely different from all that is in Nosgoth, has flaming eyes and wants to destroy everything. They are basically the Burning Legion from Warcraft 3.

If it quacks like a duck...

 

[Cryptek]

I expected this answer... They basically said that all the story, all the plots, all the events were pre-planned by this "race" that: came from the sky, looks completely different from all that is in Nosgoth, has flaming eyes and wants to destroy everything. They are basically the Burning Legion from Warcraft 3.

If it quacks like a duck...

Where did you hear or read that the Hylden came from the sky? I have never heard this until now.

Yeah they're pretty much the masterminds along with the Elder God but never heard they came from anywhere else but Nosgoth.

It is said the Demon Realm, where they were banished, warps appearance and deformed them over time.

If anything is alien, it may be the Elder God. At some point it is theorized it came to Nosgoth and latched itself on to the Wheel of Fate, so to speak, like a parasite to feed off Nosgoth's souls.

But if anything, the "alien" in this series is more akin to Lovecraft than little Grey men in flying saucers.

I mean, I'll admit I'm wrong if you could provide a reliable source about Hylden being aliens, but I'm a huge fan of this series and that's the first I ever heard of that.

 

[mcz117chief]

Where did you hear or read that the Hylden came from the sky? I have never heard this until now.

I played Defiance, they literally come from the sky when the pillars fall

I mean, I'll admit I'm wrong if you could provide a reliable source about Hylden being aliens, but I'm a huge fan of this series and that's the first I ever heard of that.

They are aliens in every sense of the word, read my posts please.

 

[Cryptek]

I played Defiance, they literally come from the sky when the pillars fall


They are aliens in every sense of the word, read my posts please.

The Pillars were a barrier to keep them locked away in the Demon Realm.

I've even Googled this and there's nothing to say they came from the sky or anywhere beyond Nosgoth.

Sorry but if you can't provide a reliable source, you're incorrect here.

Anyways here's the Fandom article on the Hylden.

Hylden

"History is written by the victors. Beneath the vaults of Avernus I discovered scenes that told a familiar story, but from a very different point of view. This was the work of the enemy race, and revealed what the Vampire histories had conveniently omitted – how the noble Vampires, god-ridden...

legacyofkain.fandom.com

The Hylden were one of the three sapient species dominant in Nosgoth, along with the vampires and the humans. They were technologically-adept beings, "different in method and intention" to the Ancient vampires, but similar in power. Before Nosgoth's recorded history, they rejected the Elder God's doctrine and his Wheel of Fate, incurring the Ancient vampires' wrath; the consequent Vampire-Hylden war raged on for a millennium, and concluded with the banishment of the entire Hylden race to the nightmarish Demon Realm. When the Pillars of Nosgoth were raised to seal the Hylden in this plane, the Hylden retaliated by laying the blood curse on their vampire enemies.

I have read your posts and you're either misunderstanding or just flat out wrong.

 

[mcz117chief]

you're misunderstanding

perhaps, the murals were quite vague on who was who but in most it was some winged monsters coming from the skies. I can't recall it vividly as I last played it over a decade ago.

All the nonsense about the Elder God and Hylden and how the pillars are their prison etc. was added later. Originally they were just there as a source of life energy for the land. The ending of Legacy of Kain implies nothing about either the Elder God or Hylden. Kain is just chilling as the tyrant of Nosgoth but in Defiance when the pillars fall it is all completely different, no consistency here.

Like I said before but I'll repeat it just for you. The Hylden play the role of a typical alien race. They look completely different, even have flaming eyes, want to destroy everything and come from the outside, so the rivals of the story have to join forces to destroy them. If you still can't grasp it then think of Gears of War. Humans fought the Pendulum Wars until the Locusts appeared so the warring factions joined forces to defeat them. The Locust aren't "space aliens" but they are "aliens", they invade from the outside and want to destroy everybody, a new threat everybody has to join together to fight, exactly like Hylden. The fact that both Locusts and Hylden were technically there just out of sight doesn't really change their role.

 

[Cryptek]

perhaps, the murals were quite vague on who was who but in most it was some winged monsters coming from the skies. I can't recall it vividly as I last played it over a decade ago.

All the nonsense about the Elder God and Hylden and how the pillars are their prison etc. was added later. Originally they were just there as a source of life energy for the land. The ending of Legacy of Kain implies nothing about either the Elder God or Hylden. Kain is just chilling as the tyrant of Nosgoth but in Defiance when the pillars fall it is all completely different, no consistency here.

Like I said before but I'll repeat it just for you. The Hylden play the role of a typical alien race. They look completely different, even have flaming eyes, want to destroy everything and come from the outside, so the rivals of the story have to join forces to destroy them. If you still can't grasp it then think of Gears of War. Humans fought the Pendulum Wars until the Locusts appeared so the warring factions joined forces to defeat them. The Locust aren't "space aliens" but they are "aliens", they invade from the outside and want to destroy everybody, a new threat everybody has to join together to fight, exactly like Hylden. The fact that both Locusts and Hylden were technically there just out of sight doesn't really change their role.

I see what you're saying but it also is part of the "Ancient civilizaton who were highly advanced" like Atlantis or those "First Ones" from Assassin's Creed (unless they revealed them as aliens - I haven't kept up with those games) or Ancient Humans from Halo.

You're correct about them plotting and pretty much everything else but they don't originally come from "outside" at least as far as we know in Current lore and are native to Nosgoth.

For all we know a future game (which I hope happens but it probably won't) could reveal them to be alien. Fantasy worlds have lots of non human races that are still native to the world's they inhabit.

As for the Elder God, I think that it could be something from elsewhere that came to Nosgoth to feed.

Now when you say "they play a role similar to aliens from space" I get what you're saying there.

Anyways, I don't feel like arguing about this anymore. I've said what I could and backed it and will leave it at that.

 

[mcz117chief]

they don't originally come from "outside" at least as far as we know in Current lore and are native to Nosgoth.

They don't originally, I literally said it in my last post, they were technically there, just like Locusts were underground but out of sight but appeared as if from the outside to create a story.

 

[Cryptek]

They don't originally, I literally said it in my last post, they were technically there, just like Locusts were underground but out of sight but appeared as if from the outside to create a story.

Maybe you didn't see my edit but I did say I understand what you said in your latest reply about them playing a role similar to aliens.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

The one mistake I think they made was to not hammer into the customer's head that Blood Omen 2 only exists due to the timeline fuckery going on at the end of Soul Reaver 2.

I remember wondering how the hell Vorador was alive, it's because Blood Omen 1 got retconned by Soul Reaver 2, and Crystal Dynamics was not clear about it either in the press or in the game to my memory.