[Hostile_18]

It's scary to spend that much on am5 motherboards, the cpu pins are now in the motherboard.

Oh man I much preferred it when it was on the CPU. It's the only part of PC building I don't like. One mistake and that's it.

Look how pretty it is! Can hold 7 nvmes without affecting the GPU lanes as well. With the case I use, I am always facing the motherboard.

 

[regawdless]

Nvidia trying to enter the laptop CPU market, but there are some challenges they need to overcome. Nothing for the high-end PC market in sight yet. 2026 window seems realistic.

Nvidia is building a CPU

Taking on Intel and AMD The dark satanic rumour mill has manufactured a hell-on-earth yarn claiming that Nvidia is building a CPU for consumer PCs, marking a step into territory dominated by AMD and Chipzilla. According to a new report, Nvidia is eyeing up the laptop and AI markets as it gears...

fudzilla.com

 

[Mickmrly]

Nvidia trying to enter the laptop CPU market, but there are some challenges they need to overcome. Nothing for the high-end PC market in sight yet. 2026 window seems realistic.

Nvidia is building a CPU

Taking on Intel and AMD The dark satanic rumour mill has manufactured a hell-on-earth yarn claiming that Nvidia is building a CPU for consumer PCs, marking a step into territory dominated by AMD and Chipzilla. According to a new report, Nvidia is eyeing up the laptop and AI markets as it gears...

fudzilla.com

They really want to finish off intel don't they. First AMD was fighting them in the CPU market, now NVIDIA as well.

 

[Bullet Club]

Apologies for the lateness on this one - the PS5 Pro workload has been challenging - but we couldn't ignore the arrival of what looks like an all-time CPU great. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D significantly outperforms the Ryzen 7 7800X3D - which remained the best gaming CPU despite the arrival of new Intel and AMD processors. This thing's a beast - a genuine halo product.

 

[Chozofication]

They really want to finish off intel don't they. First AMD was fighting them in the CPU market, now NVIDIA as well.

Intel is their own worst enemy. I cannot believe the state of the 200 ultra launch.

If Nova lake and its rentable units core design isn't a slam dunk on amd, they're in big trouble. That design better live up.

 

[regawdless]

STUNNING PERFORMANCE

They test games at 1080p and DLSS performance mode. That's internal 540p.

It's not what the customers do with this CPU, it's aimed at the high-end market. 4k balanced mode would make sense.

But no, let's completely ignore the real life use case and make a video that won't show you the actual impact it'll have when you play games.

 

[Bullet Club]

They test games at 1080p and DLSS performance mode. That's internal 540p.

It's not what the customers do with this CPU, it's aimed at the high-end market. 4k balanced mode would make sense.

Don't they test CPUs at 1080p due to any issues at that resolution would be because of CPU limitations, whereas at 4K it's due to the GPU?

 

[XOR]

STUNNING PERFORMANCE

They test games at 1080p and DLSS performance mode. That's internal 540p.

It's not what the customers do with this CPU, it's aimed at the high-end market. 4k balanced mode would make sense.

But no, let's completely ignore the real life use case and make a video that won't show you the actual impact it'll have when you play games.

I think there must be something wrong with their description. Must be 4k performance. Getting 80 to 110fps in most games at 1080p performance is virtually imposssible with a 4090.

 

[regawdless]

Don't they test CPUs at 1080p due to any issues at that resolution would be because of CPU limitations, whereas at 4K it's due to the GPU?

Yes of course they do that for those reasons. What I'm saying is, that they can do it but they should also add higher resolutions because this video is very misleading. It suggests that gamers will get 10+20% more performance over the top Intel chip in some cases. Which they won't when they buy it and play at higher res.

A review should include the real use case as well, otherwise it's worthless. You don't review a racing tire only in the lab under curated circumstances, say it's 20% better and be done. You'd put that tire on a car and see if it actually improves lap times, then determine if it's worth it or not.

At 4k, this CPU delivers around 5% more fps on average than my 13600k, which isn't the top Intel chip by any means. That's with a 4090.

Useless review.

 

[regawdless]

I think there must be something wrong with their description. Must be 4k performance. Getting 80 to 110fps in most games at 1080p performance is virtually imposssible with a 4090.

They chose the most CPU limited games like Baldurs Gate or Flight Simulator, GPU performance isn't that relevant when a game is CPU bound. These games slaughter CPUs and can't really deliver high fps. They tested it on these games on purpose at low res to stress test the CPU.

 

[XOR]

They chose the most CPU limited games like Baldurs Gate or Flight Simulator, GPU performance isn't that relevant when a game is CPU bound. These games slaughter CPUs and can't really deliver high fps. They tested it on these games on purpose at low res to stress test the CPU.

Baldur gate 1080p ultra dlaa
390+fps

 

[XOR]

Yes of course they do that for those reasons. What I'm saying is, that they can do it but they should also add higher resolutions because this video is very misleading. It suggests that gamers will get 10+20% more performance over the top Intel chip in some cases. Which they won't when they buy it and play at higher res.

A review should include the real use case as well, otherwise it's worthless. You don't review a racing tire only in the lab under curated circumstances, say it's 20% better and be done. You'd put that tire on a car and see if it actually improves lap times, then determine if it's worth it or not.

At 4k, this CPU delivers around 5% more fps on average than my 13600k, which isn't the top Intel chip by any means. That's with a 4090.

Useless review.

Yeah but if you want high framerates many games require 4k dlss. And then you do see 20% gains. At 1080p gains are up to 50% over intel chips iirc.

 

[regawdless]

Baldur gate 1080p ultra dlaa
390+fps

DF took the third act (I think) city area, on purpose because it's the one area that slaughters CPUs, it's where the game becomes heavily CPU bound. The rest of the game, like shown in your video, runs way better.

 

[regawdless]

Yeah but if you want high framerates many games require 4k dlss. And then you do see 20% gains. At 1080p gains are up to 50% over intel chips iirc.

Do I see 20% gains at 4k with DLSS? Where?

That's my issue. Are the gains there? It's possible, but we don't know. I want to know. They should show me. Because DLSS isn't free, especially upscaling to 4k it uses some resources, it's not all linear.

I want to see that, I hope the gains are that big, would consider buying one of that's the case.

 

[XOR]

DF took the third act (I think) city area, on purpose because it's the one area that slaughters CPUs, it's where the game becomes heavily CPU bound. The rest of the game, like shown in your video, runs way better.

I have trouble believing all those games run at or under 100fps at 540p.

What happens to a normal cpu if some of these are in the 70s with a 9800x3d?

 

[XOR]

Do I see 20% gains at 4k with DLSS? Where?

That's my issue. Are the gains there? It's possible, but we don't know. I want to know. They should show me. Because DLSS isn't free, especially upscaling to 4k it uses some resources, it's not all linear.

I want to see that, I hope the gains are that big, would consider buying one of that's the case.

I like 100+fps. And at high settings this can require dlss for several modern games.

 

[regawdless]

I have trouble believing all those games run at or under 100fps at 540p.

What happens to a normal cpu if some of these are in the 70s with a 9800x3d?

But it's the reality. CPU limits are a bitch, and these games are infamously brutal.

 

[Hostile_18]

Don't forget the 5090 will stretch CPUs even further as well. 1080p testing is basically telling you the lifespan of the product (when which cpus will eventually fall behind).

I do agree though it's good to have a current day scenario with maxed out components/res. That's why I always go to Tech Power Up for reviews.

 

[regawdless]

I like 100+fps. And at high settings this can require dlss for several modern games.

Very useful video, thanks!

 

[Bullet Club]

 

[regawdless]

 

[regawdless]

And they over promised

 

[Bullet Club]

 

[regawdless]

Yeah seems like the 9800X3D remains the one to buy.

 

[Pagusas]

Yeah seems like the 9800X3D remains the one to buy.

no reason it wouldn't unless you add productivity into the mix. But for pure gaming and general use? Yeah the 98003d series has been the best. The 99503D though is the first xx503d I've seen hang so close to it in gaming and even beat it in a few. Surprising and wonderful given I always build hybrid gaming/editing machines. I'd jump on it if I didn't already have a 7950x, and the hassle of selling it just isnt worth the gains right now.

 

[XOR]

no reason it wouldn't unless you add productivity into the mix. But for pure gaming and general use? Yeah the 98003d series has been the best. The 99503D though is the first xx503d I've seen hang so close to it in gaming and even beat it in a few. Surprising and wonderful given I always build hybrid gaming/editing machines. I'd jump on it if I didn't already have a 7950x, and the hassle of selling it just isnt worth the gains right now.

If using parallelism why dont more productivity apps use gpu accel gpus run circles around cpu parallelism wise

 

[Pagusas]

If using parallelism why dont more productivity apps use gpu accel gpus run circles around cpu parallelism wise

Only thing I can think of is flexibility and support for the most systems with and without dedicated gpus. (and the fact many programs like Premier and After Effects seem like they are assembled by Monkey's are are often on the razers edge of being completely stable. Premier is likely solely responsible for more hair loss than any other program on earth due to its propensity to crash at the very worst moment)

 

[Bullet Club]

AMD Ryzen CPUs are obliterating Intel retail sales charts, thanks to PC gamers

People can't get enough of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and 7800X3D, while the latest Intel Core Ultra Arrow Lake CPUs have dropped off the radar.

AMD Ryzen CPUs are riding a wave of popularity right now, and the latest best seller charts show them completely annihilating the competition from Intel. What's more, most of the Intel chips that are being bought are now over a year old, with its new Core Ultra CPUs sitting a long way down people's shopping lists.

As we found in our Ryzen 7 9800X3D review, AMD's latest CPU architecture is an absolute beast for gaming, especially when it's equipped with 3D V-cache. It's unequivocally the best gaming CPU you can buy right now, and it's proving incredibly popular. I've just tracked the best seller charts at a number of retailers, and they all point to the same picture – AMD is selling loads of its CPUs, particularly when it comes to X3D, while Intel chips are a long way down the charts.

Let's start with Amazon, where the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and the new Ryzen 9 9950X3D are the top two best sellers, with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D coming third. Gaming CPUs are clearly big business right now. You have to drop all the way to number 15 before you see an Intel CPU, and that's the last-gen Core i9 14900K, with Intel's new flagship Core Ultra 9 285K flailing at number 42 (it's listed at number 44, but two of the entries above it are erroneous AM5 contact frames, rather than CPUs).

Now let's look at Newegg, where the 9800X3D is at number one, followed by the budget-friendly Ryzen 5 7600X at number two, and the 7800X3D at number three. The first Intel CPU appears at number seven, and again it's a last-gen chip, the Core i7 14700K. You have to drop all the way to number 19 before the first Intel Arrow Lake CPU appears, the Core Ultra 7 265K, with the Core Ultra 9 285K at number 20.

Meanwhile, Best Buy has a very different picture, with the new X3D chips nowhere to be seen at the top (possibly because they're out of stock). Again, though, AMD owns the top four places, with the first Intel CPU appearing at number five, and again it's a last-gen Core i5 14600K. The first Arrow Lake CPU, the Core Ultra 7 265K is out of the top 10 at number 11, while the 285K is languishing at number 30.

Finally, let's look at the CPUs with the most units sold at Overclockers in the UK, where the Ryzen 7 7800X3D rules the roost at number one, with the 9800X3D at number three. This time, the first Intel chip to appear is the Core i7 12700K at number 11.

The Core Ultra 9 285K doesn't appear until the second page at number 57. Now, this page tracks most units sold ever, rather than recently, and the site also says that 50 people have viewed the 285K page today, so it's still getting interest, but AMD's latest CPUs are clearly selling in much bigger numbers than Intel's ones.

What interests me about most of these charts, though, is that it's AMD's X3D CPUs that are really winning. PC gamers are clearly big business when it comes to people building their own PCs, and as I found in my Core Ultra 7 265K review, AMD's latest X3D CPUs are substantially more powerful than Intel's new Arrow Lake CPUs when it comes to churning out frame rates.

This trend also follows a number of issues with Intel Raptor Lake CPUs crashing in games based on the Unreal Engine in 2024, with some CPUs even becoming damaged after use. The company had to roll out a number of BIOS updates before a proper Intel CPU fix was established.

There are still good reasons to consider Intel's new CPUs if you're not a gamer – they're really power-efficient, and they handle multi-threaded work really well too, but that's clearly not enough when it comes to selling CPUs at retail, where gamers are pulling the shots.

If you are planning a new processor purchase, check out our CPU upgrade guide to see how to install your new chip, as well as our guide on how to apply thermal paste, where we take you through the process.

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Source: PCGamesN

 

[Dreamlord]

Can I get some opinions on AMD 9800x3d vs Intel 285k?

I am still undecided. My main issue is i only had an AMD processor/mobo once, 20 years ago, and i hated it because it was super unstable. Otherwise I've always stuck with Intel.

I dont mind paying a bit extra for Intel. I just want a fast and most importantly stable system. I do not plan on overclocking.

 

[TaySan]

Can I get some opinions on AMD 9800x3d vs Intel 285k?

I am still undecided. My main issue is i only had an AMD processor/mobo once, 20 years ago, and i hated it because it was super unstable. Otherwise I've always stuck with Intel.

I dont mind paying a bit extra for Intel. I just want a fast and most importantly stable system. I do not plan on overclocking.

9800x3D all the way for gaming performance and AMD cpus have been great since Ryzen. No reason to buy Intel right now tbh at least for gaming.


Source: My current build has a 9800x3d, and my last build was also a Ryzen 3900x, and they were both solid processors for gaming

 

[Dreamlord]

9800x3D all the way for gaming performance and AMD cpus have been great since Ryzen. No reason to buy Intel right now tbh at least for gaming.

I want to know more about things like stability, drivers, any issues with peripherals and their drivers, etc. I know windows handles drivers, but mobo and cpu drivers also have a factor in how everything works together.

 

[TaySan]

I want to know more about things like stability, drivers, any issues with peripherals and their drivers, etc. I know windows handles drivers, but mobo and cpu drivers also have a factor in how everything works together.

I never had any driver or peripheral issues with my old 3900x build. Ditto with my 9800x3D now. Stability should be fine too especially if you're not going to fuck with overclocking. AMD has improved a lot with Ryzen on that front

 

[regawdless]

I want to know more about things like stability, drivers, any issues with peripherals and their drivers, etc. I know windows handles drivers, but mobo and cpu drivers also have a factor in how everything works together.

9800x3D is the way to go. No issues driver or stability wise. Consistently great performance. I was thinking about upgrading to it from my 13600k, but that would be another larger investment of around 1k overall for CPU, new mobo and fast RAM. It can wait, the 13600k is still good enough.

 

[crumbs]

I want to know more about things like stability, drivers, any issues with peripherals and their drivers, etc. I know windows handles drivers, but mobo and cpu drivers also have a factor in how everything works together.

We've been shifting from Intel to AMD on a number of our workstations at the small business I work at, including an UnRaid NAS that has been extremely stable for several years. I also switched to a 7800x3d setup for my personal gaming rig last year. I haven't noticed a difference in stability compared to Intel, with the usual caveats to buy from Mobo vendors with good support, buy quality RAM , etc

The biggest source of instability on systems from either CPU vendors has been Windows 11, especially the 2H24 update. It's in a much better state now, but it caused some annoyances last fall on the test systems we tried it on.

 

[regawdless]

 

[HE1NZ]

So what CPU should I buy. I'm confused by all this.

I hear 9800X3D is really good, but apparently it sucks for everything else other than gaming, and too expensive at the moment. Plus I watch videos like these and it appears to be losing to old Intel CPU on some occasions. 12900K sounds kinda cool, a lot cheaper and won't explode like 13k and 14k series? Won't require moving to DDR5 too.

Any thoughts? I need a CPU for gaming and work in 3D software. Currently on 8700k.

 

[TaySan]

So what CPU should I buy. I'm confused by all this.

I hear 9800X3D is really good, but apparently it sucks for everything else other than gaming, and too expensive at the moment. Plus I watch videos like these and it appears to be losing to old Intel CPU on some occasions. 12900K sounds kinda cool, a lot cheaper and won't explode like 13k and 14k series? Won't require moving to DDR5 too.

Any thoughts? I need a CPU for gaming and work in 3D software. Currently on 8700k.

Ryzen 9950x3D is great for both gaming and productivity. Beats 9800x3d in some games even

 

[Chozofication]

So what CPU should I buy. I'm confused by all this.

I hear 9800X3D is really good, but apparently it sucks for everything else other than gaming, and too expensive at the moment. Plus I watch videos like these and it appears to be losing to old Intel CPU on some occasions. 12900K sounds kinda cool, a lot cheaper and won't explode like 13k and 14k series? Won't require moving to DDR5 too.

Any thoughts? I need a CPU for gaming and work in 3D software. Currently on 8700k.

12900k is worth it if you get a deal. Which you should be able to get a deal.

12700k should be better bang for buck though, and still 8 big cores. But if you need cores for work sure get 12900k. It's worth noting that the 13600k I do believe has been immune to the breaking problems seen on 13900k.

For pure gaming and money no object 9800x3d is obviously the best.

 

[HE1NZ]

Ryzen 9950x3D is great for both gaming and productivity. Beats 9800x3d in some games even

A bit too expensive.

 

[HE1NZ]

12900k is worth it if you get a deal. Which you should be able to get a deal.

12700k should be better bang for buck though, and still 8 big cores. But if you need cores for work sure get 12900k. It's worth noting that the 13600k I do believe has been immune to the breaking problems seen on 13900k.

For pure gaming and money no object 9800x3d is obviously the best.

It looks like I need a CPU with a good single core performance. 12900k appears to be quite close to 9800x3d in this regard and more affordable.