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Scientist bring back 10000 year old Dire Wolves.
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HellforLeather
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Dacon
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This is stupid and gonna end badly
"At their young age they already measure nearly 4 ft. long, tip the scales at 80 lb., and could grow to 6 ft. and 150 lb. Then there's their behavior: the angelic exuberance puppies exhibit in the presence of humans—trotting up for hugs, belly rubs, kisses—is completely absent.Even one of the handlers who raised them from birth can get only so close before Romulus and Remus flinch and retreat. This isn't domestic canine behavior, this is wild lupine behavior: the pups are wolves. Not only that, they're dire wolves—which means they have cause to be lonely."
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One of these MFs is going to eat someone. What are they going to do with them? There's no ecosystem prepared for them.
"At their young age they already measure nearly 4 ft. long, tip the scales at 80 lb., and could grow to 6 ft. and 150 lb. Then there's their behavior: the angelic exuberance puppies exhibit in the presence of humans—trotting up for hugs, belly rubs, kisses—is completely absent.Even one of the handlers who raised them from birth can get only so close before Romulus and Remus flinch and retreat. This isn't domestic canine behavior, this is wild lupine behavior: the pups are wolves. Not only that, they're dire wolves—which means they have cause to be lonely."
The Return of the Dire Wolf
Colossal Biosciences has genetically engineered the first dire wolf to live in over 10,000 years. Here's what that means for other extinct species.
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One of these MFs is going to eat someone. What are they going to do with them? There's no ecosystem prepared for them.
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"We are an evolutionary force at this point," says Beth Shapiro, Colossal's chief science officer, speaking of humanity as a whole. "We are deciding what the future of these species will be."
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING HUBRIS
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING HUBRIS
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Stouffers
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They should be using this tech to clone Sydney Sweeneys sweater zeppelins.
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I guess Winter has Come.
Also if they actually do bring back dinosaurs and attempt to make a theme park with them I am absolutely not going.
Also if they actually do bring back dinosaurs and attempt to make a theme park with them I am absolutely not going.
Why not?!? The landscape is an ongoing sprint. Who cares if it messes up "the order". There never was such a thing, just waves. A meteor or plague or whatever could kill off half the planet. Life would go on just fine. Why not play god and bring back some monsters? Would add some spice to living if you actually had to worry about what goes bump in the night.
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My nigel is jonesing for Racoon City
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So can we stop giving a fuck whenever some random subspecies of some random animal is endangered?
Can we start cloning elephants to harvest tusks so wild elephants stop getting poached?
There would be some solid real world applications for this that doesn't involve bringing extinct animals from before humans.
Can we start cloning elephants to harvest tusks so wild elephants stop getting poached?
There would be some solid real world applications for this that doesn't involve bringing extinct animals from before humans.
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Next headline: "Scientist killed by 10000 year old dire wolves"
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The_Mike
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Yep, that's a good
What do you think is more likely, a company hyping themselves up with lies by omission or a genuine resurrection of an ancient lost species?
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The information is correct whether it's Bluesky or Twitter. 20 genomes don't make a real Dire Wolf. It's still a Grey Wolf
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Even if they were able to get the perfect DNA of the Dire Wolf, all the learned behaviors, including its prey, were lost to extinction, which is why the Dire Wolf went extinct. It's ecologically irresponsible
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Part of me loves this but I'm also curious what the point is, when it comes to bringing back dire wolves. Do local flaura and fauna need more North American wolves?
Wild times we're living in.
Unrelated but I still want domesticated foxes. Best thing that the USSR ever funded.
Wild times we're living in.
Unrelated but I still want domesticated foxes. Best thing that the USSR ever funded.
Most species do have a memetic lineage that goes bye-bye if they all die out. The Lost World (novel) had some very logical conclusions about that - pack animals (raptors in that case) will become much more vicious without being raised in a pre-existing social hierarchy.
Of course, the raptors still formed packs and still had a hierarchy, so what behavior can be recrystallized after revival is not cut and dry either.
I mean, this guy studied eyes. I'm not sure that qualifies him to say what they've done is nothing? I'm sure he's a lot smarter than me but I just have a hard time believing they did nothing when it's clearly different from a grey wolf.
If they were able to pull DNA from the skull or tooth or whatever and they've recently found direwolf DNA closely resembles the Grey Wolf as opposed to the jackal like they originally thought they could code the DNA to match the direwolf DNA to almost 99% which is what I believe they're saying they did. They don't actually use the direwolf DNA in creating these pups but they simply copied it.
The reality is any scientist or even these guys claiming it is or isn't a direwolf can only go off of so much. Studying the DNA is about as close as you can get to knowing exactly what it looked like. Even the scientists coming out against this debunking it admit these pups do have characteristics of a direwolf and look much different from grew wolves. I guess they're hybrids but it's the closest thing to a direwolf any human has seen in over 12,000 years and the fact they were able to do this is incredible.
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That reminds me of a part in the book Jurassic Park, where they basically said something like "we don't know what it will be or look like till we make it. And even then we will never know if it's accurate."
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The last living one got kicked out from the white house recently
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Yep, that's a good
Why did they kick him out when I could have had a pet
He'd love to sniff you.
Stouffers
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For those asking 'why', this is part of an ongoing international effort to recreat Wooly Mammoths, specifically because of problems with the arctic tundra ecosystems dying, due to a lack of the massive herbivores clearing out deadwood and allowing biodiversity to occur naturally, with simply too big of an area needing to be sorted out for humans to have the time, money or manpower to do it.
And the reason that's important is because there's a huge number of people across the northern hemisphere that rely on that ecosystem to live, and if it dies off, their ways of life die off with it.
So dire wolves are the proof of concept that you can recreate a lost ancient species from millennia old remains, before going on to the more complicated task of turning an elephant into a Mammoth analogue.
The project is going to likely take centuries to properly pay off, even if they get a 'Mammoth' made in a decades time, but there is a genuine human need for that lost megafauna to be recreated.
And the reason that's important is because there's a huge number of people across the northern hemisphere that rely on that ecosystem to live, and if it dies off, their ways of life die off with it.
So dire wolves are the proof of concept that you can recreate a lost ancient species from millennia old remains, before going on to the more complicated task of turning an elephant into a Mammoth analogue.
The project is going to likely take centuries to properly pay off, even if they get a 'Mammoth' made in a decades time, but there is a genuine human need for that lost megafauna to be recreated.
Sean Mirrsen
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While that's plausible, there's still no actual way to 'recreate' an ancient species. You can kludge together a physical approximation of an ancient species that fits a particular niche. Making that physical approximation actually do what you need it to do, may well take more time, material, and effort, than it would have taken to make humans do it.
And I think the arctic tundra ecosystems dying is soon (on the scale of the 'decades to centuries' timeframe) going to be less about biodiversity, and more about them ceasing to be arctic tundra.