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Place your bets: will Switch 2 succeed or fail?
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Thread: Place your bets: will Switch 2 succeed or fail?
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When Switch was announced, I immediately wanted one.
Switch 2 is cool. I'll likely get one at some point, but it's nothing special like the original was.
Switch 2 is cool. I'll likely get one at some point, but it's nothing special like the original was.
For what it's worth, I never thought the Switch would fail. I thought it would be a huge success and it's going to be the best selling console of all time. I also though the Wii was going to be huge.
I don't think this will fail, but I do think Nintendo is clearly getting too comfortable. This company does not handle success well. Furthermore, when they chase power/graphics, they don't do well (N64, GC). Their strength has always been making great games and not getting into the spec side of things.
A lot of people wanted higher FPS/resolution etc..., but that comes at a price. I personally do not care, I'd rather have hardware that gets the job done at a reasonable price. But those who wanted Nintendo to chase graphics/performance have no right to be complaining about the price.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Maybe this is a frontloaded DLC free model with a roadmap of new content?
Still can't understand the digital vs. physical price difference tbh.
In terms of real dollars, the value is there for me. Rare is the game I spend more than $20 on, and I'll probably spend less on games overall this year than last year still (and again from the year before).
In terms of market value, $80 seems like the effect of a kind of gaming hoeflation. Nintendo didn't set this market's prices, but they definitely think they can capitalize on it, and I don't blame them. $80 for a Mario Kart that will likely be the Mario Kart game for 5-7 years, will keep high value as a used game, rarely go on sale digitally… we'll see if their overvaluing their position but I'm not sure they are.
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I think it will be a big success over its lifetime. Maybe not exceeding Switch 1 sales, but Switch 1 was something special. Game prices will be high for games like Mario Kart, but I think most will be around the $50-$60 range. Most might not remember, but SNES had some games that sold for $80 like Final Fantasy III. I think my friend's dad played $70 for Final Fantasy II when it came out. $80 dollars in 1990 is worth about $194 today.
Even though I pretty much wait for all games to drop below $40 before purchasing, much of society has no problem spending money. Spending $25 on a Door Dash McDonald's meal, spending over $100 on tennis shoes, financing new cars, etc.
As far as the system goes, hardware-wise it is everything that I wanted the successor to be. Larger screen, joycon drift fixed, love the added mouse controller functionality. If it has the diverse library that Switch 1 has, I see no issues. Graphics to me have hit a spot of diminishing returns so carrying over the Switch 1 library and now having games that are on the PS4 Pro/ Xbox S level where now you get more 3rd party AAA along with Nintendo's usual offering is going to be very profitable for Nintendo.
Even though I pretty much wait for all games to drop below $40 before purchasing, much of society has no problem spending money. Spending $25 on a Door Dash McDonald's meal, spending over $100 on tennis shoes, financing new cars, etc.
As far as the system goes, hardware-wise it is everything that I wanted the successor to be. Larger screen, joycon drift fixed, love the added mouse controller functionality. If it has the diverse library that Switch 1 has, I see no issues. Graphics to me have hit a spot of diminishing returns so carrying over the Switch 1 library and now having games that are on the PS4 Pro/ Xbox S level where now you get more 3rd party AAA along with Nintendo's usual offering is going to be very profitable for Nintendo.
We begged our parents for Super Mario RPG back in 96. Pretty sure it was $80 CAD, might have been slightly higher. They said no because it was too expensive but luckily Santa came through. Don't know how much that is today but yeah, substantially higher than the $100 CAD today. Games have been more expensive. It just sucks now because game prices have overall been pretty stable from 6th-8th gen.
I don't know how successful it'll be given the game prices and the economy, but releasing another Switch is smart and not typical of Nintendo. The last time they did this was with the SNES. Since then, every Nintendo console has been something new and different. The N64 went against current trends by sticking to cartridges and it's bizarre controller. Then they finally went to discs with the Gamecube, but on tiny discs for a tiny system, which was odd at the time. Then we got the Wii with the motion control stuff, the Wii U with it's weird gamepad thing, then the hybrid half console, half handheld Switch.
Do you guys realize that Nintendo hasn't played it safe with a new console release in YEARS. The last time they played it safe was with the SNES which was just a better NES. They tried going in a different direction, as they typically do, with the Wii U and it blew up in their face. So Nintendo is going back to its roots and just playing it safe with a new console that is no different from the previous one, just more powerful.
That worked pretty well for them the last time they did it, even though Sega gave them some stiff competition
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why would they bother given that everyone is copying them now from Chinese manufacturers selling a ton of different, powerful handhelds to Valve with the Steam Deck
Do you guys realize that Nintendo hasn't played it safe with a new console release in YEARS. The last time they played it safe was with the SNES which was just a better NES. They tried going in a different direction, as they typically do, with the Wii U and it blew up in their face. So Nintendo is going back to its roots and just playing it safe with a new console that is no different from the previous one, just more powerful.
That worked pretty well for them the last time they did it, even though Sega gave them some stiff competition
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why would they bother given that everyone is copying them now from Chinese manufacturers selling a ton of different, powerful handhelds to Valve with the Steam Deck
Moderate success. It's too expensive to match Switch 1 as an instant buy for parents, but let's not pretend it won't still be every kid's birthday and Christmas wish for years to come, and the 'safe option' in gaming for parents that just want something to keep their kids entertained.
On top of that, Nintendo are always flexible on pricing when they have to be. If it's not selling well enough, they will cut the price. They did with the WiiU and the 3DS, and the inevitable stripped down Lite refresh will be cheaper regardless.
On top of that, Nintendo are always flexible on pricing when they have to be. If it's not selling well enough, they will cut the price. They did with the WiiU and the 3DS, and the inevitable stripped down Lite refresh will be cheaper regardless.
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Def not saying you're wrong, but if there's even a hint of that, a 3ds level apology will happy way before that happens
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Nintendo really missed a beat by not calling this the Super Switch..a hail back to one of its most successful consoles
Alot of people were not born then but the evolution from NES to SNES wasn't necessary a major step...we got more colours onscreen...we got better sound but the core games didnt really change
and thats the way that i feel about the Switch 2
Alot of people were not born then but the evolution from NES to SNES wasn't necessary a major step...we got more colours onscreen...we got better sound but the core games didnt really change
and thats the way that i feel about the Switch 2
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People are too sensitive for that name to exist unfortunately. We can't even get Mother 3 on the NSO like Japan gets because it would upset all the fairies here in the West. I bet even if Nintendo removed the Magypsy characters the LGBQT+ crybabies would complain and find a reason to be outraged, try to cancel, etc.
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While this is all objectively true, you have to understand that all of society is forced to be subject to the whims of the 85-90 IQ people that can't be fucking bothered to spend 5 minutes researching a $500+ purchase while having the entirety of human knowledge in their smart phone.
Xbox naming conventions are too complicated for people to understand, let that sink in while realizing that these people are able to vote.
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The reason for the Japanese only Switch is due the weak yen. Prices/inflation are up but Japanese salary has stagnant.
It's also to prevent scalpers like tourist exporting those Switch consoles. You can see that happened with PS5 being sold out but no games being bought. Chinese buyers were one one of these consumers!
But I'm with you on the game prices! Don't like but it just means I'm buying less games, especially at launch!
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With the amount of circulation this console is getting before its launch, it may be destined to surpass the original Switch…
Haters and Nintendo fans alike cannot stop talking about NS2 and that is with a very mediocre Nintendo Direct only showcasing the basics. What will happen when they have several amazing Nintendo Directs planned and executed with more games than ever before to showcase? I will guess that in the end, the NS2 sells 180+ million systems due to exclusives that will be available, as well as the library of third party games expanding considerably
Haters and Nintendo fans alike cannot stop talking about NS2 and that is with a very mediocre Nintendo Direct only showcasing the basics. What will happen when they have several amazing Nintendo Directs planned and executed with more games than ever before to showcase? I will guess that in the end, the NS2 sells 180+ million systems due to exclusives that will be available, as well as the library of third party games expanding considerably
My guess is it will sell really well but just short of the original Switch sales so still crazy good
I wonder if at some point we get a Switch Lite 2 if people are complaining about console prices or they just keep making the OG Switch to sell for a more budget friendly option?
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Probably at some point. The Switch family had the original, lite, OLED and the NS2 will most likely have a couple of other options as well. The important thing will always be the games though, something Sony and Xbox have dropped the ball on, and Nintendo has excelled with
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Agree about the games , I used to be the opposite and all in on Sony and Xbox but the last time I bought one was a Xbox 360 and early PS4 era , they just don't make enough exclusives for me to be interested in on the Series X and PS5 and have no intention buying either.
Now on the other hand the Switch 2 looks like Nintendo has another mega hit in comparison, maybe I'm not buying 1 day one if they are hard to get but definitely will within the first year but probably sooner.
Variable pricing sounds ridiculous though but I'm a cheap bastard anyway and rarely buy new games unless they go on sale a few months later
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I think that internally they will be admitting that they fucked up not getting the prices out there as part of the Direct.
People still going on about $90 Mario Kart.
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"…the breadth and depth of the gameplay, if you will, the durability over time and the repeatability of gameplay experiences."
Hard sell for the hype culture we've created.
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It's such a screaming indictment on TotK giving BotW as much attention as people are. I put way more time into TotK and never came close to finishing the game whereas I finished BotW twice.
Is TotK really that bad? I would think that'd be the biggest game to market for upgraded improvements going into Switch 2 but way more talk on BotW
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I think TOTK is better. But the idea of BOTW is better. When we learned that we could face the Calamity Ganon almost right from the start that was a top tier idea in my opinion. It made me want to build up to destroy him later. And that basically tripled for TOTK, but unfortunately the boss fight was not difficult. But I still enjoyed my time with both, more so with TOTK
Both have their plusses and their minuses, and plenty of each at that. But it makes sense to have another go at the first one. I might indulge, as completing the sidequests and finding the Shrines are incredibly difficult to do sometimes without a guide. In that respect, I like both BOTW and TOTK a lot. The exploration remains pretty good for years for players like me who chip away at games. All the hidden secrets in their totality make completing BOTW/TOTK 100% a very difficult journey
I gave up on TotK halfway, even though I put almost 200 hours into BotW. It wasn't burnout either. The basic loops of combat, exploration, and puzzle solving were more convoluted than they needed to be. And the story was trash imo
The simplicity and wonder of BotW was gone.
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It's too early to tell, but a lot of signs point towards strong success for the NS2 and its future. GameCube games > anything Sony and Xbox have made in many, many years
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Yeah, I think it's gonna do just fine. Anecdotally, all of my normie coworkers/friends who have gaming-age kids plan to get one at some point. There may be some vocal critics of price/tech among hobbyist adult gamers, but I don't think it matters much.
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I voted moderate success. I see Switch 2 capturing a lot of interest from people who bought a Switch, but it won't reach everyone. I think of my in-laws a lot because they own 2 Switches. The odds of them buying a Switch 2 anytime soon are pretty slim, and in a couple of years they might buy one. When they do, it's likely to be for Animal Crossing.
The funny thing is that PC has become the gaming platform of choice amongst my Wife's family.
I look at this as a fairly good barometer because they all owned Switches but don't appear interested in this new hardware yet. It may happen but it's going to be software that wins them over.
I think Switch 2 will sell really well but it needs compelling software.
The funny thing is that PC has become the gaming platform of choice amongst my Wife's family.
I look at this as a fairly good barometer because they all owned Switches but don't appear interested in this new hardware yet. It may happen but it's going to be software that wins them over.
I think Switch 2 will sell really well but it needs compelling software.