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This is more technical question, but if computer memory is getting an error, the computer usually "knows" it and crashes. So, neural network doesn't work with different result, it just stops working.
brain damage can change your personality and willingness to do immoral and even criminal actions
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Yes but was the event that caused this damage random? It wasn't if the world is deterministic.
So, if we'll discover deterministic quantum theory, then our world should be similar to pseudorandom number generator, but much more complex. It seems random, but it's not.
But anyway, I'm sure it is not technically possible to predict future events. We have to build the quantum computer with the size of the Universe to calculate it (make its exact copy) and to predict event in any time span would need at least the same time span of calculations (this calculation is just running a simulation).
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As you say usually but not necessarily, depends on where in memory the error occurs.
If it happens on a critical section of the code it can crash, but if it happens elsewhere it can alter something such as any numeric value resulting in differences in outcome.
We are constantly bombarded from cosmic rays coming from all over the universe, these cause mutations that can lead to altered behavior(given genes can lead to personality types, susception to addictions, anger, levels of happiness, etc), disease, cancer, etc. Definitely altering the course of events. In addition to causing computer errors.
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Wait, but if we agree to accept any deterministic theory of quantum mechanics (and I must say every onу of them is just a hypothesis in development, criticized and not accepted by majority of physicists), then particle interactions with cosmic ray photons are not random and can be predicted.
That's what I said several posts ago, our world is unpredictable just because we have quantum mechanics layer with random interactions. This statement is based on our current knowledge, of course, which may change in the future.
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Yeah but even if such were ever shown deterministic I think it would be very difficult if not impossible to predict. As the mechanisms are complex interstellar events at unknown distances.
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The behavior of a light particle is enough to make me question a deterministic universe. If the particle is observed or otherwise interacts with matter, that light particle was a particle for all those millions of years as it left the star and travelled space. But if the light particle continues through space, it acts like a wave.
As an aside, this is the single strongest evidence in favor of a simulated / holographic universe. If fundamental laws of nature change for something as mundane as being observed by a group of deterministic biological chemical-sacs, that's quite strange. If the universe does indeed "see" itself and follows some kind of self-organizing principle, that's quite strange. It is something in favor of intelligent design if not outright computer-simulation.
As an aside, this is the single strongest evidence in favor of a simulated / holographic universe. If fundamental laws of nature change for something as mundane as being observed by a group of deterministic biological chemical-sacs, that's quite strange. If the universe does indeed "see" itself and follows some kind of self-organizing principle, that's quite strange. It is something in favor of intelligent design if not outright computer-simulation.
This is what triggered that famous skip in a Super Mario 64 speedrun. What happened is that in one section of the game you have to climb a challenging tower but the speedrunner suddenly appeared at the top for no reason. A huge group of people tried to explain it, they fed the computer with raw data and literally replicated the run input by input but no matter how many times they tried they could never replicate the skip. At the end of the investigation they had to conclude that it were cosmic rays that did it since astrophysical reports indicated that a considerable flare did happen at that exact time of the skip.
I agree and if it's technically impossible to calculate future events then we can safely claim we have a free will even in the deterministic world.
It's not only photons, every particle could behave like a wave. You probably know about Double-slit experiment. It was replicated with electons, atoms and even huge multi-atom organic molecules. Interference pattern remains even if we send individual particles through the slits, meaning a particle goes through one of the slits, but "knows" about the other slit somehow. And if we try to detect what slit the particle goes through, interference pattern disappears because wave function collapses during observation. I also recommend to read about Wheeler's delayed choice experiment.
And what is observation exactly? The only way we could observe particle is through interaction with them. And during this interaction particles behavior changes - that's the point. It has nothing to do with presence of biological chemical-sacs.
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That would be compatibilist free will. But some people want free will that does not obey determinism or randomness.
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Why does will have to be "free"? Why not hierarchical will? my will is greater than that of a microbe in virtually any conceivable sense. But my will versus that of forces of nature or versus God is going to be lesser in power and efficacy.
The jesuits had/have three levels of obedience in their order. The first and least type of obedience is to obey the command even if you don't "believe" it the command. The second type is a bit better: obey the command with a willing heart even if you don't understand the command. The third and highest form of obedience is to obey the command but also to believe in your heart it is the best thing.
I use this illustration because even in the case of someone "bending their will", there is nuance. So I might have a will, but not necessarily a completely Free will. My will is subject to other influences but it doesn't vanish entirely. One of the characteristics of my will is the ability to evaluate, submit, resist, or find some path in between and yet my will does not vanish, it remains with me even after the event.
The jesuits had/have three levels of obedience in their order. The first and least type of obedience is to obey the command even if you don't "believe" it the command. The second type is a bit better: obey the command with a willing heart even if you don't understand the command. The third and highest form of obedience is to obey the command but also to believe in your heart it is the best thing.
I use this illustration because even in the case of someone "bending their will", there is nuance. So I might have a will, but not necessarily a completely Free will. My will is subject to other influences but it doesn't vanish entirely. One of the characteristics of my will is the ability to evaluate, submit, resist, or find some path in between and yet my will does not vanish, it remains with me even after the event.
Just wanted to note (and it has nothing to do with the question of free will), the will of a microbe seems low, but this microbe can kill a man with disease, or, maybe stupid example, recycle organic matter in the rope used for supporting alpinist leading to disaster.
On the other side, man can bend forces of nature with engineering knowledge and enough resources. In the near future we'd be able to destroy or change trajectory of asteroid. And with further development limits of our possibilities should be pushed away more and more. Dyson spheres? Terraforming planets? FTL travel? Who knows.
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I don't think it's a stupid example at all: the microbe is responsible for the stable atmosphere around earth that sustains all life. Scientists nowadays are a bit more accepting of the idea of life itself being highly "unnatural", because even simple life has terraformed the earth in significantly unnatural ways.
i.e. if you don't have microbial life in the oceans and across the face of the earth, then you don't have a stable atmosphere and stable temperature to prevent those oceans from evaporating into space like Venus. So the eons of oceans affecting the face of the earth are only possible alongside the eons of microbial life. We would consider the etching of rock by ocean tides to be a non-biological process, but those oceans wouldn't be around long enough to etch without the life inside of the waters.
Yeah, and I heard scientists are thinking about creating new kinds of microbiological life with gene engineering to solve our current problems with bio or plastic waste, create fuel, or even recycle greenhouse gasses to carbon, water and oxygen.
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My own energy has always resonated with Eastern philosophy and traditions, to greater or lesser degree. I love this guy's explorations of these topics and thought I 'd share a video.
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