[Grinchy]

Well Nintendo themselves are telling you that Donkey Kong will be a lesser game than Mario Kart World which isn't that great to begin with. Yeah, Nintendo is telling you that DK is worth $10 less than an open world kart racer.

Maybe Nintendo added the $10 because Mario Kart is an ongoing online game that will require many years of maintenance and patches and stuff.

Maybe they aren't saying the "$80" game is worse than the $70 game at all. I didn't pay $80 for Mario Kart and I don't want to pay $80 for anything (I don't even want to pay $70) but I think it's a huge stretch to come up with that logic that all $70 games are Nintendo's way of saying they aren't premium compared to Mario Kart lol

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Switch 2 games are Series S level. I don't see how they are any less expensive to develop just because it's a handheld device

Games scale, and I have yet to see a game build for XsS or XsX or PS5 that was $80.

Outer Worlds 2 is 80, I suppose, and Microsoft said some of their other games will be 80. But a brand new PS5 game like Death Stranding is 70.

 

[Zog]

Maybe Nintendo added the $10 because Mario Kart is an ongoing online game that will require many years of maintenance and patches and stuff.

Maybe they aren't saying the "$80" game is worse than the $70 game at all. I didn't pay $80 for Mario Kart and I don't want to pay $80 for anything (I don't even want to pay $70) but I think it's a huge stretch to come up with that logic that all $70 games are Nintendo's way of saying they aren't premium compared to Mario Kart lol

It's not a stretch at all. They choose different prices based on what they think something is worth. As for Mario Kart updates, you'll pay extra for those in the form of DLC and of course the cost of NSO to play online. $80 is just the beginning. So in the end Mario Kart World may be $100 or more while DK will be $70, that's Nintendo telling you that THEY think it's worth less.

I couldn't even imagine this take being controversial but Nintendo fans gonna do what they do. Variable pricing has its cons and Nintendo doesn't get a pass on the cons.

 

[cryptoadam]

My problem is — as it was with the Switch — we are buying handheld tier games at AAA PS5/XsX prices.

In generations past, Nintendo's handheld line was the budget option. Now the handheld-tier pricing is long gone but the handheld-tier hardware and handheld-tier development costs remain.

Nintendo is raking in the cash.

As said by @TaySan Switch 2 games are ps4/series s level. Like SF6 is on par with series S why should it be half the price.
Also Dwitch 2 has dynamic pricing and devs can charge what they want.
Some charge 50 so 60 some 70.
MKW was nintendos most expensive game so they increased the price. I get the backlash but truth is any game at 80$ would get backlash regardless of content. Most people will play MKW for the entire gen so to them the price us justified but gamers have a tough time accepting any 80$ game.
DK will be priced the same as Seires S games. We will see with Prlme 4. If your cheap pick up world tour its 10$ lol

 

[Hardensoul]

My problem is — as it was with the Switch — we are buying handheld tier games at AAA PS5/XsX prices.

In generations past, Nintendo's handheld line was the budget option. Now the handheld-tier pricing is long gone but the handheld-tier hardware and handheld-tier development costs remain.

Nintendo is raking in the cash.

Disagree, we forget Nintendo had issues with HD development? They couldn't keep up WiiU games develop and had droughts. It was so bad they had to choose between making 3DS or WiiU development. They chose 3DS to save handheld which was the bigger market for Nintendo.

With Switch they had to put all development there. Its still a challenge to be able to have games work in both on the go and dock.

Nintendo was still in hiring spree for HD development before and after Switch launch. Even now while the industry is down sizing. Nintendo is still hiring.

 

[Zog]

As said by @TaySan Switch 2 games are ps4/series s level. Like SF6 is on par with series S why should it be half the price.
Also Dwitch 2 has dynamic pricing and devs can charge what they want.
Some charge 50 so 60 some 70.
MKW was nintendos most expensive game so they increased the price. I get the backlash but truth is any game at 80$ would get backlash regardless of content. Most people will play MKW for the entire gen so to them the price us justified but gamers have a tough time accepting any 80$ game.
DK will be priced the same as Seires S games. We will see with Prlme 4. If your cheap pick up world tour its 10$ lol

Did anyone say they should be $35 (half the price of $70 games) or is that just a strawman?

Mario Kart World being expensive to develop isn't the customers fault. Like it took them 7 years to make that Zelda game that uses the same engine and many of the same assets, they are just not being very efficient and that's not the customers fault.

As for being cheap, just don't buy the system at all because once you do you'll buy games for it.

 

[Zog]

Disagree, we forget Nintendo had issues with HD development? They couldn't keep up WiiU games develop and had droughts. It was so bad they had to choose between making 3DS or WiiU development. They chose 3DS to save handheld which was the bigger market for Nintendo.

With Switch they had to put all development there. Its still a challenge to be able to have games work in both on the go and dock.

Nintendo was still in hiring spree for HD development before and after Switch launch. Even now while the industry is down sizing. Nintendo is still hiring.

They didn't really keep up with the Switch either padding things out with remakes and ports of Wii U games. Nintendo is not that efficient anymore. It's 2025 and the HD twins came out almost 20 years ago. If they can't do HD efficiently by now, they need to examine their company culture and structure. No, they don't get a break because they didn't enter the HD world until 2012, they have had plenty of time to get their shit together.

 

[Yawnson]

Agreed that in a capitalist society, arguing that games should be 70 is silly, games can cost whatever a publisher wants and that's fine, it's not the same as price fixing food or water, shits a luxury.

Getting super upset about game prices has the same energy as those leftist that got mad when Costco required a membership to use the food court.

Now trying to convince other gamers to not buy the 80 dollar games on principal, nothing wrong with that, market dictates price.

But like games are a right and need communist tactics to lower the cost is silly

 

[Rock And Roll]

Agreed that in a capitalist society, arguing that games should be 70 is silly, games can cost whatever a publisher wants and that's fine, it's not the same as price fixing food or water, shits a luxury.

Getting super upset about game prices has the same energy as those leftist that got mad when Costco required a membership to use the food court.

Now trying to convince other gamers to not buy the 80 dollar games on principal, nothing wrong with that, market dictates price.

But like games are a right and need communist tactics to lower the cost is silly

Yup. Always makes me chuckle how right/conservative this board is.... Until it comes to video games. Then half of us turn into a bunch of socialists.

 

[Hardensoul]

They didn't really keep up with the Switch either padding things out with remakes and ports of Wii U games. Nintendo is not that efficient anymore. It's 2025 and the HD twins came out almost 20 years ago. If they can't do HD efficiently by now, they need to examine their company culture and structure. No, they don't get a break because they didn't enter the HD world until 2012, they have had plenty of time to get their shit together.

Switch 1, 2017 new games BotW(cross gen, I'm counting it), 1-2 Switch, Arms, Splatoon 2, Smash Bros Ultimate and Mario Odyssey. That is 6 games in 9 months along with WiiU ports too fill out the 3 months. Nintendo likely didn't need to fill out those 3 months. That's not efficient? If that's not efficient, we Nintendo fans have a lot to look forward to!

Sony and MS would love to have 3 exclusives in a year!

Yes, WiiU struggled with HD but fixed with Switch and they had to make games that was to work with their new hybrid concept.

Nintendo did not sit on their laurels and kept hiring. I'll repeat they're the only company of the hardware makers still hiring while Sony/Ms with layoffs and studio closures.

 

[Alcedor]

Yup. Always makes me chuckle how right/conservative this board is.... Until it comes to video games. Then half of us turn into a bunch of socialists.

We're just talking about video games. Nintendo being a douchebag company that doesn't give a fuck about its consumers or gaming in general has nothing to do with leftwing/rightwing politics.

 

[Alcedor]

Although if we wanted to bring politics into this we could talk about Nintendo removing genders from a certain game.

 

[Hardensoul]

Although if we wanted to bring politics into this we could talk about Nintendo removing genders from a certain game.

There's already a thread for Miis being genderless. Let's stick that there! Please!

 

[Zog]

Switch 1, 2017 new games BotW(cross gen, I'm counting it), 1-2 Switch, Arms, Splatoon 2, Smash Bros Ultimate and Mario Odyssey. That is 6 games in 9 months along with WiiU ports too fill out the 3 months. Nintendo likely didn't need to fill out those 3 months. That's not efficient? If that's not efficient, we Nintendo fans have a lot to look forward to!

Sony and MS would love to have 3 exclusives in a year!

Yes, WiiU struggled with HD but fixed with Switch and they had to make games that was to work with their new hybrid concept.

Nintendo did not sit on their laurels and kept hiring. I'll repeat they're the only company of the hardware makers still hiring while Sony/Ms with layoffs and studio closures.

Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game ported (downgraded even). They started the generation with a Wii U port, set the tone I guess.

Ok, so they had a few games some of which were fuckin' terrible but you can't deny the incompetence of Tears of the Kingdom. Same engine, many of the same assets and it took them 7 fuckin' years. Then they pass the cost of their incompetence on to you and charged $10 more because THEY couldn't do an expansion fast.

 

[Zog]

We're just talking about video games. Nintendo being a douchebag company that doesn't give a fuck about its consumers or gaming in general has nothing to do with leftwing/rightwing politics.

Nintendo is a terrible company. Suing people and companies left and right, raising prices because they know their fans will pay it. Hell even Doug Bowser's Don Mattrick moment did no damage to their reputation. I guess that makes sense since the Don Mattrick moment is nothing compared to their anti-consumer legal shenanigans.

Thing about what Doug Bowser said. It's just another example of 'cross this line, now cross this line'. Remember when paid mods caused an uproar? Bethesda just let it die down and then brought it back when people no longer cared. Same thing here. We consumers are our own worst enemy.

 

[Hardensoul]

Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game ported (downgraded even). They started the generation with a Wii U port, set the tone I guess.

Ok, so they had a few games some of which were fuckin' terrible but you can't deny the incompetence of Tears of the Kingdom. Same engine, many of the same assets and it took them 7 fuckin' years. Then they pass the cost of their incompetence on to you and charged $10 more because THEY couldn't do an expansion fast.

I already addressed it BoTw is a cross gen game, it released the same day! Sure loss of gamepad feature was bad. But Switch version ran better. Just because you don't like BotW or TotK. You're just nitpicking!

 

[Zog]

I already addressed it BoTw is a cross gen game, it released the same day! Sure loss of gamepad feature was bad. But Switch version ran better. Just because you don't like BotW or TotK. You're just nitpicking!

I am not nitpicking. Breath of the Wild was developed as a Wii U game, downgraded and ported to Switch. It was NOT a Switch game. As for ToTk, you think it should take 7 years to develop that? What the fuck were they doing all that time, sitting in meetings talking about it instead of making it?

 

[Franky Family]

Tears of the Kingdom is an excellent game. It was in no way "incompetent" but I will say that it is not the very best Zelda game. The amount of content will never be able to top quality imo. @Zog did you even play TOTK? As a huge Zelda fan, even though it didn't become my favorite Zelda game, it was still a wildly entertaining game to experience. It's much better than BOTW in some ways, and in other ways BOTW is the better game imo

 

[Zog]

Tears of the Kingdom is an excellent game. It was in no way "incompetent" but I will say that it is not the very best Zelda game. The amount of content will never be able to top quality imo. @Zog did you even play TOTK? As a huge Zelda fan, even though it didn't become my favorite Zelda game, it was still a wildly entertaining game to experience. It's much better than BOTW in some ways, and in other ways BOTW is the better game imo

The incompetence is that it took 7 years to make it. Same engine as BOTW, many of the same assets. The gap between Skyward Sqord and Breath of the Wild was only 6 years. Think about that. Going from 2D to 3D only took 6 years.

 

[Hardensoul]

I am not nitpicking. Breath of the Wild was developed as a Wii U game, downgraded and ported to Switch. It was NOT a Switch game. As for ToTk, you think it should take 7 years to develop that? What the fuck were they doing all that time, sitting in meetings talking about it instead of making it?

of course BoTW started on WiiU. But it really started on a PC, because it really looks nothing like the reveal trailers. The one that had Link on horseback at Hyrule field then being chase by a Guardian. That was not running on WiiU hardware. Bit specifically a WiiU game but by end of development a cross gen game.

Totk released 6yrs 2 months later. Development time is not same time frame as release time. We never knew when Nintendo sets development of their games. Nintendo has also been known to hold games long after it's ready to release.. to space them out strategically!

 

[Franky Family]

The incompetence is that it took 7 years to make it. Same engine as BOTW, many of the same assets. The gap between Skyward Sqord and Breath of the Wild was only 6 years. Think about that.

Skyward Sword is an incredibly dull Zelda game. Probably the first Zelda game I would call mediocre throughout the entire game. BOTW brought the series to new heights in some ways in what can be done and how the Zelda games can be played and experienced. TOTK is both similar and familiar yet an almost entirely different game. Even the overworld often threw me off a lot because there is so much changed throughout Hyrule. Hyrule chanced on the surface, and two entire new layers were added to the game, that being the Depths and the Sky. Both of which were pretty good, and interesting places to explore imo. Combat was vastly improved in TOTK because enemies were much tougher. I found most of TOTK to be the more 'enchanting' and fun Zelda game over BOTW. Your argument of saying TOTK is incompetent holds zero weight, to be frank. Also, did you play the game or not?

 

[Epic Nemesis]

Ah yes, full on justification mode now and you know Mario Kart World isn't worth it considering the better Mario Kart was $60. It seems that most people don't really like the open world and it's missing features it should have.

This is how things go though, People are such pushovers and companies know that. Once people buy it, they will justify their purchase.

Ya know, $100 is coming too. Wanna jump the gun on that too? You would justify it anyway.

Have you played Mario Kart World? Hard to say 8 is better if you've actually played world.

I'll agree that it doesn't do enough to separate it from other games to justify the extra $10. If I bought the game at full price expecting this robust single player free roam mode I'd be disappointed, but it's better than 8 (which I loved.) There is more depth to the game and mechanics than 8 had. I still feel like I'm on training wheels. I see these grind paths and areas to wall ride and my brain just still hasn't connected the dots on how to get there.

You can shit on the switch 2 all you want because it clearly doesn't resonate with you, but at least play the game you are making definitive comparative statements about.

 

[Zog]

of course BoTW started on WiiU. But it really started on a PC, because it really looks nothing like the reveal trailers. The one that had Link on horseback at Hyrule field then being chase by a Guardian. That was not running on WiiU hardware. Bit specifically a WiiU game but by end of development a cross gen game.

Totk released 6yrs 2 months later. Development time is not same time frame as release time. We never knew when Nintendo sets development of their games. Nintendo has also been known to hold games long after it's ready to release.. to space them out strategically!

Pretty sure I read that Wii U development was complete when it was decided to port it to the Switch. Then they had to go back and remove the second screen.

 

[Rock And Roll]

We're just talking about video games. Nintendo being a douchebag company that doesn't give a fuck about its consumers or gaming in general has nothing to do with leftwing/rightwing politics.

If people weren't demanding they lower the price of games/sell hardware at a loss/stop trying to prevent piracy on their systems, you would have a point. Except we have seen all of that in the threads since the reveal of the Switch 2. I agree it doesn't have to do with politics, but pointing out the similarities and entitlement is what I'm getting at. I don't own a Switch 2 and really don't plan on it for the foreseeable future (if ever), but I'm not going to start crying that Nintendo lowers their game/console prices to come down to my preferred price point because that's an incredibly self centered and unreasonable view of how things work in the real world.

 

[Zog]

Have you played Mario Kart World? Hard to say 8 is better if you've actually played world.

I'll agree that it doesn't do enough to separate it from other games to justify the extra $10. If I bought the game at full price expecting this robust single player free roam mode I'd be disappointed, but it's better than 8 (which I loved.) There is more depth to the game and mechanics than 8 had. I still feel like I'm on training wheels. I see these grind paths and areas to wall ride and my brain just still hasn't connected the dots on how to get there.

You can shit on the switch 2 all you want because it clearly doesn't resonate with you, but at least play the game you are making definitive comparative statements about.

I would have had to buy a Switch 2 to play it but I have seen enough reviews to know that the open world isn't all that great and even makes the game worse.

That last sentence is crazy. You want me to give Nintendo $500 just so I can tell you the same thing other reviewers have said? How about this, YOU give Nintendo another $500, send the Switch 2 and MKW to me and then I'll play it. I am not giving them $500.

I'll agree that it doesn't do enough to separate it from other games to justify the extra $10

Extra $20, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was $60 and that's the game to compare it to.

 

[Epic Nemesis]

I would have had to buy a Switch 2 to play it but I have seen enough reviews to know that the open world isn't all that great and even makes the game worse.

That last sentence is crazy. You want me to give Nintendo $500 just so I can tell you the same thing other reviewers have said? How about this, YOU give Nintendo another $500, send the Switch 2 and MKW to me and then I'll play it. I am not giving them $500.

Do you not have friends, family, or a nearby store with a demo kiosk?

The free roam stuff isn't too compelling but can also be totally ignored. The rest of the game is great. Grand Prix has a bit of it since you drive from track to track, if you don't like that you can play versus for the same experience you had in 8. Also, knockout tour, which is the best mode in the game doesn't have something similar in 8. So basically, a game reviewer said the open world stuff isn't that fun and you took it and ran with it to confirm your bias. Cool.

Make a friend. Play it.

Next excuse is going to be "you want me to buy a car to go somewhere to play it? You buy me a car!"

 

[Zog]

Do you not have friends, family, or a nearby store with a demo kiosk?

The free roam stuff isn't too compelling but can also be totally ignored. The rest of the game is great. Grand Prix has a bit of it since you drive from track to track, if you don't like that you can play versus for the same experience you had in 8. Also, knockout tour, which is the best mode in the game doesn't have something similar in 8. So basically, a game reviewer said the open world stuff isn't that fun and you took it and ran with it to confirm your bias. Cool.

Make a friend. Play it.

Next excuse is going to be "you want me to buy a car to go somewhere to play it? You buy me a car!"

It's not an excuse, reviews are there for people to decide if they want to buy. The whole idea of 'you have to pay $500 to have an opinion' is crazy, that's what reviews are for. Your own review says the open world isn't that great.

 

[teezzy]

THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

 

[JORMBO]

That last sentence is crazy. You want me to give Nintendo $500 just so I can tell you the same thing other reviewers have said? How about this, YOU give Nintendo another $500, send the Switch 2 and MKW to me and then I'll play it. I am not giving them $500.

It's crazy to give a comparison and say a game is worse when you haven't even played the game. Sometimes it makes more sense to not comment.

The free roam is easily ignored for people that do not like it. The game still has plenty of other modes and plays better then the prior game.

 

[Zog]

It's crazy to give a comparison and say a game is worse when you haven't even played the game. Sometimes it makes more sense to not comment.

The free roam is easily ignored for people that do not like it. The game still has plenty of other modes and plays better then the prior game.

I am just telling you what other reviewers have said. Do YOU think MKW is worth $500 to play?

 

[Rock And Roll]

Lol we trust reviewers now? XD

 

[TaySan]

Im not even a big racing fan and Knockout Tour local and online is some of the most fun Ive had in a long while and is easily the meat and bones of the game.

 

[Epic Nemesis]

It's not an excuse, reviews are there for people to decide if they want to buy. The whole idea of 'you have to pay $500 to have an opinion' is crazy, that's what reviews are for. Your own review says the open world isn't that great.

Literally no one is saying that you have to pay $500 for an opinion.

I'm also not saying you need to buy a home and a tv to play the game. You also don't need to buy solar panels to get electricity to play the game, you can just use the electrical grid, but you will have to pay for the electricity consumed. Nintendo just keeps fucking us over like that. Your palms might sweat as well, and you might have to wipe the sweat on your pants which means you have to then wash your sweaty pants. So might as well factor in laundry detergent into the price of the game as well.

 

[Franky Family]

It's not an excuse, reviews are there for people to decide if they want to buy. The whole idea of 'you have to pay $500 to have an opinion' is crazy, that's what reviews are for.

You don't have to pay anything. But you also have little to no credibility talking about games and hardware you have no experience with. You're out of place with these flimsy and easy to pick apart arguments you bring to the table here and you're basically here in this thread to waste your time and others' time complaining about things you don't even have any experience with. You wont even answer my question because you know how easy it is for you to be put in your place if you admit that you have not played TOTK, so you simply dropped it and accepted that you have very little say about the content of TOTK and how it all plays out. You've set yourself against the game despite having never played the game, which is unfortunate

How can you call TOTK incompetent if you have never played the game? You know so little about how it plays because you never played it. Of course you will fumble and say something ridiculous and then get called out when you do not have adequate knowledge of the game. Even watching a playthrough of the game is not quite enough to go by. You cannot call someone else's experience and opinions your own, can you? Other players' reviews are meant to serve as a gage, not a definitive opinion for you to adopt as your own

I am just telling you what other reviewers have said. Do YOU think MKW is worth $500 to play?

The game cost $50-$80 depending on the choice and for $450 buyers are going to be playing a lot of great exclusives on NS2 that they cannot play anywhere else; only on NS2

Mario Kart World has more potential than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. A lot will depend on what DLC tracks they'll create for the game. It's almost guaranteed that we'll get more racetracks, more characters, costumes, music, stickers, modes like 200cc and maybe Mirror mode, etc. in the future. It's only a matter of when and waiting for content to be announced

 

[Epic Nemesis]

maybe Mirror mode

This is in the game btw. I haven't unlocked it yet because I haven't done all the knockout tours yet, but you need to do 150cc GP and knockout tours and like 10 of each collectible in free roam.

 

[Zog]

Lol we trust reviewers now? XD

You have to look at many reviewers to get a general consensus.

 

[Franky Family]

You have to look at many reviewers to get a general consensus.

Yeah a consensus of Reee and Redditor opinions

 

[Hardensoul]

You don't have to pay anything. But you also have little to no credibility talking about games and hardware you have no experience with. You're out of place with these flimsy and easy to pick apart arguments you bring to the table here and you're basically here in this thread to waste your time and others' time complaining about things you don't even have any experience with. You wont even answer my question because you know how easy it is for you to be put in your place if you admit that you have not played TOTK, so you simply dropped it and accepted that you have very little say about the content of TOTK and how it all plays out. You've set yourself against the game despite having never played the game, which is unfortunate

How can you call TOTK incompetent if you have never played the game? You know so little about how it plays because you never played it. Of course you will fumble and say something ridiculous and then get called out when you do not have adequate knowledge of the game. Even watching a playthrough of the game is not quite enough to go by. You cannot call someone else's experience and opinions your own, can you? Other players' reviews are meant to serve as a gage, not a definitive opinion for you to adopt as your own



The game cost $50-$80 depending on the choice and for $450 buyers are going to be playing a lot of great exclusives on NS2 that they cannot play anywhere else; only on NS2

Mario Kart World has more potential than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. A lot will depend on what DLC tracks they'll create for the game. It's almost guaranteed that we'll get more racetracks, more characters, costumes, music, stickers, modes like 200cc and maybe Mirror mode, etc. in the future. It's only a matter of when and waiting for content to be announced

Mirror mode is there! It's just need to unlock.



New rainbow road is great!

 

[Rock And Roll]

You have to look at many reviewers to get a general consensus.

AC Shadows has a MC of 81. Goodbye Volcano High has 81 as well. That would be the general consensus from reviewers.

 

[Franky Family]

Nice, I was thinking that all the Knockout Tour Rallies needed to be won at Gold. I'll starting looking for more of those ? Panels and more Peach Coins