Thread: Hiking, Camping and Bear Wrestling.

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Welcome, weary traveller, to the digital campfire. Sit down, grab a drink, and tell us your stories, share your tips, explain your gear and show off your pictures of the great outdoors.

Whether it be hiking, camping, canoing, rock climbing, or anything that's getting back to the wild and thriving in nature that you love, this is the thread for you.

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I'm mostly a hiker, my wife and I often spending a few hours each weekend traveling up and down the local hills and woods, taking a small day pack for hydration and snacks, stopping at a pub for lunch, then meandering home in the early afternoon.

When we can, a few times a year we'll go out for a night or two camping, setting up at a camp site if we're just saving on not getting a hotel, or tracking off to the middle of places like Dartmoor if the camping is as much a part of the fun as the location.

We also love a bit of canoeing, which also works well with camping, allowing a greater amount of luxury items to take with us while getting further off the beaten track than a commercial campsite.
 
I'm in the Smokies. So many places to hike around here it's nuts.

Kinda bummed I haven't been able to do any camping this summer but I've got some fun stuff planned next year. Just tent camping for me.
 
Great idea for a thread! I came to the Chill section just now with the specific goal of seeing if we had a hiking thread and, lo and behold, what do I find??

Wife and I have just recently started getting back into hiking after a few years of general bad health and mutual laziness. I just installed the AllTrails app for finding local hiking trails (among other things, like downloadable maps and other functionality), and finished ordering some gear off Amazon (new shoes, backpack, clothing, first aid kit, etc.). We've mostly been sticking to the 2-5 mile trails, but are excited to go further in the near future.

If I buy a new phone soon, I may even start snapping photos. I won't even bother with the old-ass phone I have now.
 
Beautiful pics and great thread!

I love to go into the nature with a Mountainbike but the twins significantly reduced my free time for the last 1.5 years. And will most likely continue to do so for the next years. But one day I'll be back!
 
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One of the places my wife and I enjoy hiking is about 15 miles from where we live and is probably only about a 5 mile hike in total, but it's heavily wooded, very hilly, and has lots of wildlife. The sort of place we can easily hit up after a stressful work day. Here's a couple of 'spooky forest' shots I took the other day. (Sorry for the shitty quality - my phone is oooold.)

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Necrobumping because I want to talk about tents.

So while I was away it was the start of the westher turning mild enough in old Blighty to get back outdoors.

The slight downside to this is that it's also been one of thw coldest and wettest Springs here for bloody ages.

Which meant, in the middle of the night, on the first trip out, stuck at the bottom of a steep hill that buggered up the underside of our car, the wife and I were awoken to find our MSR Elixir 3 tent was no longer waterproof. Infact it seemed to be holding the water just long enough to pool and then pouring it through in steady streams, evenly across the entire inside of the tent.

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Que a mad scramble to get everything packed into the car, soaking wet, at which point we discovered the aforementioned being stuck, which took us close to an hour to eventually scramble out from, thanks to my legendary 'offroad in a sensible hatchback' skills.

Now my tent is about 8 years old by this point, so I should have redone the waterproofing yonks ago regardless, but for it to completely fail so spectacularly was a shock even with it needing refreshing. So I decided to check with the manufacturer and see about whether they do a rewaterproofing service.

MSR do not. In warranty or your on your own, the cunts.

Now the missus needed a tent the following Friday for an all ladies camp out she had arranged with her friend, so I decided that, rather than risk waiting for the waterproofing gear and then finding tome to do it myself, I'd just bybher a budget, reliable, smallish tent we can both use for solo camping.

Long story short, Vango Nevis 200. Cheap, reliable, down to £90 from £150 because I'm a penny pinching old miser.

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However...

I bought the Elixir back when I'd not been camping for the best part of a decade, because it had taken that long to persuade my old lady that camping was fun and not just foolishness for the unclean.

I know a lot more now than I did back then, and while I did a LOT of research before buying, and hot a really good deal on a highly rated tent, looking at it with my experienced eyes, American tents are a bit shit.

Or rather, to be fair, a bit shit for Europe.

If you want something light weight, well ventilated, warm and tough, they're pretty good. They're designed primarily with through hikers doing long treks, like the Apalachan trail, in mind.

What they are not designed for, is variable weather.

For Europe, and particularly Great Britain, which will often experience multiple seasons in a single week, they just do not cut the mustard.

Particularly in regards to waterproofing and wind resistance.

Now waterproofing is measured by hydrostatic head ratings. 2000 is recommended in Great Britain as the minimum to aim for, 3000 is the ideal middle ground, 4000 or more ideal. The cheap Vango is 3000, with a 4000 groundsheet.

The MSR Elixir, which costs £440, and 90% of American tents I looked up, are 1500.

So I also bought another new tent!

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The British £360 Terra Nova, Wild Country, Helm 3 Compact! A mid range, 4000 waterproofed, free standing, double doored and combined inner and outer tent, ideal for wet weather and high winds, roughly as big up but pqcking dowm smaller and lighter than the Elixir 3.

Obviously I got a 25% discount on the RRP price too because, again, skinflint.

We've been out in it twice, both in the local woods and up a tor on Dartmore. Great tent, easy to set up and pack down, plenty of room inside for my giantness, the wife, our bags and with a vestibule that you can comfortably cook in and keep your shoes out the rain.

So yeah, American made outdoor gear is designed for the American outdoors. Who ever would have guessed?
 
And now I'm going to talk about stoves.

So up until now I've mostly been cooking with my Jetboil. It's a great little efficient gas stove that's ideal for boiling water for tea and has a neat little attachment to use with pots and pans.

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It's been a solid little workhorse that got me through a week of my village being cut off from the outside world and without electricity due to flooding. I take it on day hikes, through hikes and generally any time I'm going to be out and about without easy access to tea making facilities.

Last year I branched out with a Kelly Kettle. Nice Irish made chimney style wood burner and dedicated fast boil kettle, with additional and stackable add oms to make it a dedicated wood burning stove and cooks set.

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Being stainless steel and bulky, it's really only suitable for car friendly camp sites rather than wild camping or hiking, but it's a fantastic bit of kit that is great for even just making a meal out in the garden on a nice day. It's seen regular use and meant I can now reliably start a fire with just a few foraged materials and a ferro rod.

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But my combination of being a bit of a prepper and now wanting the option of a fire out wild camping has led to my latest purchase, a combination of a Trangia alcohol stove, a tried and true Swedish classic that will reliably work as a cooking method while being the rough size and weight of a hockey puck...

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Combined with an ultralight weight, British Honey Stove, which will work as a wood burner and has an attachment for the Trangia.

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So this weekend I'm going to prepare lunch for the wife and with these two light weight bits of kit, and hopefully not set myself on fire as I get to grips with cooking with alcohol.

A fire extinguisher will be kept close to hand.

Then it's off up the hills next week for a grilled dinner overlooking the heart of Kent, before wild camping with it in July.
 
Just discovered this thread. Makes me regret that I never partook of the great outdoors in my younger years. Would have been nice to learn some survival skills while partaking of Mother Nature.

It also occurs to me that many of these so called environmentalists have probably never once done any hiking in their lives. Maybe if they did they'd learn to appreciate the civilized comforts they rail so much against.
 
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Just discovered this thread. Makes me regret that I never partook of the great outdoors in my younger years. Would have been nice to learn some survival schools while partaking of Mother Nature.

It also occurs to me that many of these so called environmentalists have probably never once done any hiking in their lives. Maybe if they did they'd learn to appreciate the civilized comforts they rail so much against.

It's honestly never too late to get outdoors.

There's couples in their 70's I've met camping out on Dartmore and there's d9zens of canpsites you can drive to and put a tent up next to your car, with washing and shower facilities, even shops and WiFi being common.

You can even get fold out tents that sit on a cars roof racks, that are super durable and easy to set up and put away.

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The National Trust in Britain are great for sites if anyone here wants to try low hassle, risk free camping.

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Very beginner friendly, always clean and maintained, cheap prices and in great locations. I've been using them for the past 18 months while my wife recovers from a hernia, as she couldn't carry a full backpack miles like she used to. End of the month will be our first trial of her doing so again though, so fingers crossed all will go well and we'll be back out in the remote countryside again after.

You also don't need to break the bank to go wild camping. There's a load of great wild campers on YouTube with guides on what to get and how to stick to a budget.

Here's a good one from Haze Outdoors' channel, who is generally a great watch for those curious about the hobby.



And yeah, Townie progressive cunts at most will have done some glamping, which is just a hotel with outdoors aesthetics. There was a bit of a scandal with a Tranny preying on women campers last year here in Great Britain that has made everyone very vocal about how generally conservative actual outdoors enthusiasts are. Believing in utopianist fantasies and surviving on your own wits and skill away from civilisation do not mix.
 
I went camping just last weekend. Its fun and have gotten into it quite a bit over the last few years although I am still struggling with getting good sleep while camping.

I try to motorcycle camp mostly but it the Mrs. prefers to just car camp so we can bring a metric ton of shit with us.
 
Just discovered this thread. Makes me regret that I never partook of the great outdoors in my younger years. Would have been nice to learn some survival skills while partaking of Mother Nature.

It also occurs to me that many of these so called environmentalists have probably never once done any hiking in their lives. Maybe if they did they'd learn to appreciate the civilized comforts they rail so much against.
"Survival skills"
The only Survival Skills I use when going to the woods is opening a Doritos bag and remembering to bring my handgun.
 
I went camping just last weekend. Its fun and have gotten into it quite a bit over the last few years although I am still struggling with getting good sleep while camping.

I try to motorcycle camp mostly but it the Mrs. prefers to just car camp so we can bring a metric ton of shit with us.

What sleeping gear are you using? Too cold or not comfortable? Are you a side sleeper?

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The only Survival Skills I use when going to the woods is opening a Doritos bag and remembering to bring my handgun.

I'm honestly surprised you're not also bringing a jazz mag. An school wank in the woods makes a summer evening.

Lol - What does that even mean?

As I mentioned, most American tents have lower hydrostatic heads and are lighter weight, I suspect due to American weather being more stable and less prone to sudden unexpected downpours on average, while hiking trails and backcountry wild camping areas are much, MUCH bigger, so gear being ultralight is logically going to be much more of a priority for most US customers.

This light weight and less robust design seems to result in, from what I've experienced and heard from discussion with other British outdoorsmen and women on the subject, most American made twnts are less able to stand up to unexpected gale force winds, as well as being more likely to tear on common British plants like brambles, or get soaked through their groundsheets on wet ground, such as moorland and bogs.

The stereotype that Brits constantly talk about the weather is entielt true, because Britain has an awful lot of weather. Most days will see wild temperature, humidity, wind speed and precipitation changes over here, and our weather forecasts are pretty much just best guesses.

It also really does rain a lot here, and is extremely humid. American weather systems can be more extreme, but are also generally more stable and predictable.

British, European and even Australian gear is generally bulkier, heavier and less often designed for extreme cold or heat, but tougher, more waterproof and with better ventilation to prevent condensation.

Other American equipment, like sleeping bags, are often total overkill for Great Britain, designed to go down to dub zero temperatures we might get one day a year here in the North most wilds of Scotland, or clothes that aren't designed around the humidity.

I'm happy to report I'm taking a bit more pictures lately :) On film though, I don't like digital photos.
Get a second hand scanner and share!

I'm going camping next week, and will try to document everything to post here once I'm back.
 
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As I mentioned, most American tents have lower hydrostatic heads and are lighter weight, I suspect due to American weather being more stable and less prone to sudden unexpected downpours on average, while hiking trails and backcountry wild camping areas are much, MUCH bigger, so gear being ultralight is logically going to be much more of a priority for most US customers.

This light weight and less robust design seems to result in, from what I've experienced and heard from discussion with other British outdoorsmen and women on the subject, most American made twnts are less able to stand up to unexpected gale force winds, as well as being more likely to tear on common British plants like brambles, or get soaked through their groundsheets on wet ground, such as moorland and bogs.

The stereotype that Brits constantly talk about the weather is entielt true, because Britain has an awful lot of weather. Most days will see wild temperature, humidity, wind speed and precipitation changes over here, and our weather forecasts are pretty much just best guesses.

It also really does rain a lot here, and is extremely humid. American weather systems can be more extreme, but are also generally more stable and predictable.

British, European and even Australian gear is generally bulkier, heavier and less often designed for extreme cold or heat, but tougher, more waterproof and with better ventilation to prevent condensation.

Other American equipment, like sleeping bags, are often total overkill for Great Britain, designed to go down to dub zero temperatures we might get one day a year here in the North most wilds of Scotland, or clothes that aren't designed around the humidity.
I'll have to take your word for it, as I haven't researched tents in many a decade. I just found it an odd statement, considering 'America' ranges from some dreadfully cold locations to deserts to jungles to mountains, and everything in between. Hell, where I live in the Pacific Northwest, we have about the same number of dry/wet days as London, but average more than (more than London, that is) a dozen inches of rain during the rainy months. Seems odd that 'American' camping supply companies would only account for limited weather conditions.
 
I'll have to take your word for it, as I haven't researched tents in many a decade. I just found it an odd statement, considering 'America' ranges from some dreadfully cold locations to deserts to jungles to mountains, and everything in between. Hell, where I live in the Pacific Northwest, we have about the same number of dry/wet days as London, but average more than (more than London, that is) a dozen inches of rain during the rainy months. Seems odd that 'American' camping supply companies would only account for limited weather conditions.

Oh, there's American tents that account for a wide variety of conditions, but there's not the general expectation for conditions to unexpectedly change out of nowhere, that tents need to be built to expect to experience regularly, that there is for camping in Great Britain, or to a lesser extent Europe.

You're much less likely to have a steady drizzle, snow, bright sunshine, hale stones, sun again, then a thunder storm, all in one day, followed by a warm, humid, overcast night.

Whereas i had literally that back in March.

Today started with freezing fog, then bright and incredibly hot sunshine, before gale force winds that are still howling around the house. Like I say, we get a lot of weather.

Just look up popular American Tents. There's a lot of ultralight options, but very few that are built for wet and windy weather.

The best selling Nemo is the Aurora, which is not classed as ultralight, and is generally more heavy duty and hardy than their other tents.

Hydrostatic head waterproofing: 1200

MSR's best seller is the Hubba Hubba. Also 1200. However they do make a tent specifically for bad weather, the Tindhelm, which is a whopping 1500.

Or how about Big Agnes's best selling, absolutely beloved and widely recommended Copper Spur... which is, again 1200.

Remember, the average hydrostatic head water proofing recommended in Britain, that's standard on even our cheapo budget tents, is 3000.

Take the budget Terra Nova Coshee, for instance. Cheaper than any of the American tents above, less than half the price of a couple, and it's waterproofing is 4000.

Also it's ironic you mention getting as much rain as they do in London.

London is in the South East of England, which is the driest part of Britain.

It's not too far away from Dungeness, which is a desert

Compare this to the other side of the country, where you have Lydford Gorge, which is a literal rainforest.

So yeah, I was surprised as well, but American tents are just not built to handle British weather.
 
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Oh, there's American tents that account for a wide variety of conditions, but there's not the general expectation for conditions to unexpectedly change out of nowhere, that tents need to be built to expect to experience regularly, that there is for camping in Great Britain, or to a lesser extent Europe.

You're much less likely to have a steady drizzle, snow, bright sunshine, hale stones, sun again, then a thunder storm, all in one day, followed by a warm, humid, overcast night.

Whereas i had literally that back in March.

Today started with freezing fog, then bright and incredibly hot sunshine, before gale force winds that are still howling around the house. Like I say, we get a lot of weather.

Just look up popular American Tents. There's a lot of ultralight options, but very few that are built for wet and windy weather.

The best selling Nemo is the Aurora, which is not classed as ultralight, and is generally more heavy duty and hardy than their other tents.

Hydrostatic head waterproofing: 1200

MSR's best seller is the Hubba Hubba. Also 1200. However they do make a tent specifically for bad weather, the Tindhelm, which is a whopping 1500.

Or how about Big Agnes's best selling, absolutely beloved and widely recommended Copper Spur... which is, again 1200.

Remember, the average hydrostatic head water proofing recommended in Britain, that's standard on even our cheapo budget tents, is 3000.

Take the budget Terra Nova Coshee, for instance. Cheaper than any of the American tents above, less than half the price of a couple, and it's waterproofing is 4000.

Also it's ironic you mention getting as much rain as they do in London.

London is in the South East of England, which is the driest part of Britain.

It's not too far away from Dungeness, which is a desert

Compare this to the other side of the country, where you have Lydford Gorge, which is a literal rainforest.

So yeah, I was surprised as well, but American tents are just not built to handle British weather.

I only used London as an example because it's all I ever hear about when UK weather is talked about (admittedly, it's not a common topic of conversation lol). Out of curiosity, where is a good location for comparison? I looked up some of our nearby hotspots (within an hour or two) insofar as rain goes, and apparently they get up to 12ft or more of rain some years, which I found surprising. Where I live it averages about 35 inches of rain a year, which I consider a good amount, then 4hrs East it's less than half that. We also tend to get a lot of fog, wind, hail, and thunderstorms in my neck of the woods, but not near as much snow as one might think. But, yea, you can go from literal rainforest to literal desert in about 6hrs, and I live in between the two. I like it, tho - lots of lush greenery. (Although, as a homeowner, the Himalayan blackberry bushes can fuck right off.)

As for tents, I still find that really strange! I don't do overnight hiking and I rarely go camping (fair weather only), so I don't even own a tent currently. 🤷‍♂️
 
I only used London as an example because it's all I ever hear about when UK weather is talked about (admittedly, it's not a common topic of conversation lol). Out of curiosity, where is a good location for comparison? I looked up some of our nearby hotspots (within an hour or two) insofar as rain goes, and apparently they get up to 12ft or more of rain some years, which I found surprising. Where I live it averages about 35 inches of rain a year, which I consider a good amount, then 4hrs East it's less than half that. We also tend to get a lot of fog, wind, hail, and thunderstorms in my neck of the woods, but not near as much snow as one might think. But, yea, you can go from literal rainforest to literal desert in about 6hrs, and I live in between the two. I like it, tho - lots of lush greenery. (Although, as a homeowner, the Himalayan blackberry bushes can fuck right off.)

As for tents, I still find that really strange! I don't do overnight hiking and I rarely go camping (fair weather only), so I don't even own a tent currently. 🤷‍♂️

Here's a list of average rainfall in various parts of Britain in inches

Like I say, London is in the driest parts.

But again, it's not the extremity, everything is more extreme in the US, it's the unpredictability and tendency to change that's the issue.

For example, places in the US have regular Tornado seasons, while over here they're almost unheard of, but on that once in a blue moon when they do happen, they come out of bloody nowhere and there's no way of having prepared for them.

The entire reason I went down this rabbit hole is because of that unpredictability. We went camping on a night when all the weather forecasts said clear skies and clement conditions. Instead it absolutely tipped it down and was bloody freezing. Our American made MSR Elixir 3 (HH: 1500) did not protect us.

Hence our tents being built for bad weather, because regardless of what you're told to expect, there's always a chance you're going to end up in shite weather.

But as much as that is the case, it's still usually far nicer here than the stereotypes would have you believe. It is a mild, temperate climate, that is overall great for outdoors activities and farming.

You just can't trust it.

Which is I think where all the meme about it always raining here come from. Any foreigner's here likely regularly get told 'it's going to be nice out', and don't have the cultural experience to know the unspoken proviso to that is 'overall, if you ignore the hour or two when it'll inevitably be miserable'.
 
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I've been thinking about camping a lot lately

I'd probably end up going alone. Just me and my dog. For a weekend a few hours away or whatever

Don't have any supplies but i put together a little Amazon list for myself of (mostly) Coleman gear

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Idk what I'd really do honestly. Maybe do some fishing. Play my Switch/Steam Deck. Go for a hike. Read a book.

Sounds really relaxing, honestly. I havent gone since I was in my early twenties when me and my ex would go every summer.

Might be boring without the kinky tent sex.

Idk. Could be cool. I wouldn't mind being a 'camping guy'.