Cloud Gaming War is Here

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It's inevitable tbh. Consoles in the home are just too expensive and everything is going cloud now with better hardware. I will not be surprised if next generation there is nothing hardware-wise at all and just boxes that connect to the machines through the cloud so that everything is consistent and more powerful (i.e. PC top of the line).
 
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VFX_Veteran said:
Yup. Might as well buy PCs folks!
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PC or console, I think consoles still have an edge in the physical medium. It is, at the most cynical, still a physical copy of a digital license. it's a tradeoff. PC gamers have several other ways to stave off the unlikely digitalpocolypse. And plenty of places do drm-free and physical releases for PC. I'm a simple dude. Put in game, fun go brrrrrrr.
 
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PC or console, I think consoles still have an edge in the physical medium. It is, at the most cynical, still a physical copy of a digital license. it's a tradeoff. PC gamers have several other ways to stave off the unlikely digitalpocolypse. And plenty of places do drm-free and physical releases for PC. I'm a simple dude. Put in game, fun go brrrrrrr.
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All I'm saying is that consoles will probably become extinct. Instead of trying to go with the flow on data centers for consoles with hardware that you won't own, you might as well go PC so that you can at least own your hardware and can dictate what/when/how/where you choose to enjoy your gaming.
 
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Wow, haven't seen anyone push cloud gaming for a couple of years, guess some Xbox or Playstation higher up wants to push it as the 'future' once more, and paid some journos to pretend it isn't shite again.
 
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I tried Cloud gaming and hated it , I've got very good internet and it was usually never a great experience, best is GeoForce Now not from Xbox or PS
 
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VFX_Veteran said:
All I'm saying is that consoles will probably become extinct. Instead of trying to go with the flow on data centers for consoles with hardware that you won't own, you might as well go PC so that you can at least own your hardware and can dictate what/when/how/where you choose to enjoy your gaming.
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I think physical games will always have a market, even if they become a boutique minority in the overall market.

You can buy modern albums on vinyl lol physical ain't going anywhere
 
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I think physical games will always have a market, even if they become a boutique minority in the overall market.

You can buy modern albums on vinyl lol physical ain't going anywhere
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That may be. I see what devs are trying to do though. D4 collector's edition gives all the swag that a person would want and just a digital code for the game.
 
VFX_Veteran said:
It's inevitable tbh. Consoles in the home are just too expensive and everything is going cloud now with better hardware. I will not be surprised if next generation there is nothing hardware-wise at all and just boxes that connect to the machines through the cloud so that everything is consistent and more powerful (i.e. PC top of the line).
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So you're telling me Nintendo will once again finally have the most powerful box available on the market???
 
Its a neat parler trick but not if i am playing a current gen game.

Something like TMNT is fine to stream on PS extra. But then Spider-Man is 1080p. I would rather play it in 1440p/4k on a local version.

But it is inevitable once the tech gets even better that we move to the cloud. I am sure people fought tooth and nail against Netflix and swore on their mothers grave they would never give up their DVDs. And here we are streaming everything.

If we ever do get good cloud gaming then I think we can see a breakthrough in VR. If you could stream all the games to a wireless headset you cut the cost of VR in half and make it affordable to the mainstream. You can also shrink the tech as well.
 
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Optimus said:
So you're telling me Nintendo will once again finally have the most powerful box available on the market???
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LOL! I don't know if Nintendo will join the fray this soon. Maybe in a decade since they are so slow and behind with their releases.
 
cryptoadam said:
Its a neat parler trick but not if i am playing a current gen game.

Something like TMNT is fine to stream on PS extra. But then Spider-Man is 1080p. I would rather play it in 1440p/4k on a local version.

But it is inevitable once the tech gets even better that we move to the cloud. I am sure people fought tooth and nail against Netflix and swore on their mothers grave they would never give up their DVDs. And here we are streaming everything.

If we ever do get good cloud gaming then I think we can see a breakthrough in VR. If you could stream all the games to a wireless headset you cut the cost of VR in half and make it affordable to the mainstream. You can also shrink the tech as well.
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Yea, I don't think I'll ever not buy computer hardware, but I can see if there is a game that uses all path-tracing with excellent sampling looking like CGI and I would absolutely stream the game. Who am I kidding?
 
cryptoadam said:
If we ever do get good cloud gaming then I think we can see a breakthrough in VR. If you could stream all the games to a wireless headset you cut the cost of VR in half and make it affordable to the mainstream. You can also shrink the tech as well.
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If we're talking about technology that doesn't exist yet that magically solves all the problems, sure. But you can currently stream video from a capable machine to a VR headset and it's unfortunately not all that ideal yet.

Plus, you're either strapping heavy batteries to the back of your head or wearing a pack on your belt with a cable that goes up to your "wireless" headset. And that doesn't even get into the image compression and input delay that isn't there when you have a direct connection to the hardware running the game.

So sure, if somehow every single issue gets worked out including a huge innovation in battery tech, then it'll be great! But shit man, I haven't even had a good experience with regular flat game streaming that would have me seeing myself ditching local hardware any time soon.
 
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cryptoadam said:
But it is inevitable once the tech gets even better that we move to the cloud. I am sure people fought tooth and nail against Netflix and swore on their mothers grave they would never give up their DVDs. And here we are streaming everything.
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....Netflix didn't phase out physical media for tv and films. In fact a lot of people have taken to purchasing more physical media due to the way content shifts in and out of the streaming lineup. Then there's the issue of censorship and historical revisionism.
 
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VFX_Veteran said:
LOL! I don't know if Nintendo will join the fray this soon. Maybe in a decade since they are so slow and behind with their releases.
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I meant that sarcastically as in if everyone jumped to the cloud, Nintendo would continue plodding along with their home device that is roughly on par to whatever is 5-8 years in the past.

I seriously doubt if Nintendo will ever consider cloud gaming. They seem much more likely to migrate to mobile.
 
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DonDonDonPata said:
I think physical games will always have a market, even if they become a boutique minority in the overall market.

You can buy modern albums on vinyl lol physical ain't going anywhere
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This is true, but only hipsters and old geezers are buying them. Normies do not care.
 
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That may be. I see what devs are trying to do though. D4 collector's edition gives all the swag that a person would want and just a digital code for the game.
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even small indies get physical copies nowadays, even if it's in a Limited Run / Super Rare Games / Play-Asia sort of printing run, or maybe the Multi language Asia-region version. It's not every single game, and some console games are also nothing more than "code in a box" (literally) but I think the market is big enough to support both, just like the music customer base is big enough to support multiple digital and physical formats to pick from.

I don't see the expansion of digital something that is always at the reduction of physical, strictly speaking

lock2k said:
This is true, but only hipsters and old geezers are buying them. Normies do not care.
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See above. Doesn't matter what normies buy. The market is already so large that physical will keep going even if just as a boutique option. And normies do buy plenty of physical games... that's what mainstream consoles are for.
 
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LOL! I don't know if Nintendo will join the fray this soon. Maybe in a decade since they are so slow and behind with their releases.
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Nintendo has no choice but to allow cloud gaming on their systems. Look at some of the 3rd party games on Switch. Recent one was Kingdom Hearts, there were others but I can't remember cause I chose to forget they came to Switch. :LOL:😭😱

www.nintendolife.com

Nintendo Switch Cloud Games List

Every Cloud Version game on Switch
www.nintendolife.com www.nintendolife.com

An asterisk(*) denotes Japan-only

 
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cryptoadam said:
Its a neat parler trick but not if i am playing a current gen game.

Something like TMNT is fine to stream on PS extra. But then Spider-Man is 1080p. I would rather play it in 1440p/4k on a local version.

But it is inevitable once the tech gets even better that we move to the cloud. I am sure people fought tooth and nail against Netflix and swore on their mothers grave they would never give up their DVDs. And here we are streaming everything.
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Nope, I don't stream anything.

I'd be a fool if I complained about the woke garbage that's damaging our culture and turned us against each other if I was supporting the guiltiest parties with my money. I'll change my tune when the general public grows a spine and influences the media giants to bring some balance back to entertainment.
 
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Vinyl is a lot bigger than you'd think. Sales actually grew quite a bit for vinyl in the last 3 years.
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It may have grown, but streaming represented 83% of the total in 2022. Vinyl is still niche af. The majority of gen Z population never even saw a physical disc in their lifetime. I have more than a hundred vinyl discs but they are relics from the 80's and 90's when we needed them at home.

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even small indies get physical copies nowadays, even if it's in a Limited Run / Super Rare Games / Play-Asia sort of printing run, or maybe the Multi language Asia-region version. It's not every single game, and some console games are also nothing more than "code in a box" (literally) but I think the market is big enough to support both, just like the music customer base is big enough to support multiple digital and physical formats to pick from.

I don't see the expansion of digital something that is always at the reduction of physical, strictly speaking



See above. Doesn't matter what normies buy. The market is already so large that physical will keep going even if just as a boutique option. And normies do buy plenty of physical games... that's what mainstream consoles are for.
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I think that the sales of physical vs digital will dictate if physical will continue for console gaming next gen. Remember how being always connected would never happen? It did.
 
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It's understood that the development of Cronos began 5 years ago due to the complexity surrounding the PlayStation 5's SSD. Whilst the SSD is very fast in the PS5, it created a new challenge that made it impossible for Sony to develop the infrastructure needed using current technology on the market (functionality, latency, etc.). This meant that Sony, under the Future Technology Group, designed a completely new network storage solution based on PCIe (NTB) which leverages NTB and the PS5 I/O co-processors.

The final product is a custom storage server under the codename 'Kura' which reads up to 5 GB/s with <1ms latency.

Sources said that Sony will have a total of 28 data centers across 15 metros for the PS5 Cloud streaming rollout, with its plans to fully launch the feature in FY23 (April 2023 – March 2024).
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Digital is causing its own problems and suffers from its own limitations. Even as digital expands, it creates dissatisfied customers who are only willing to spend premium price on a few games and/or only buy digital at cheap pricepoints. That's what already happened in the PC market and mobile market. Console is still catching up which I guess makes sense, since it was the slowest market to adopt digital.
lock2k said:
It may have grown, but streaming represented 83% of the total in 2022. Vinyl is still niche af. The majority of gen Z population never even saw a physical disc in their lifetime. I have more than a hundred vinyl discs but they are relics from the 80's and 90's when we needed them at home.



I think that the sales of physical vs digital will dictate if physical will continue for console gaming next gen. Remember how being always connected would never happen? It did.
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yet despite the rise of always-connected games, there has been a rise of boutique publishers grabbing the most obscure indie games and printing them for $30 and selling out. Aside from the appeal to collectors and resellers, there's clearly a profitable enough customer base to make it worth it. The customers who are eager to buy physical aren't interested in converting over to digital.

I brought up vinyl because it's an outdated format that is returning after an objective market decline. Physical book sales are rising and have been rising for years, despite e readers and an overall decline in public interest in reading as a hobby.

Physical may certainly fade away someday. However, the various dogit products in 2023 still have glaring issues. Physical has tangible advantages like… well… tangibility, and customers are paying a premium to own copies of games even if they can buy a digital copy of the same game for cheaper.
 
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DonDonDonPata said:
Digital is causing its own problems and suffers from its own limitations. Even as digital expands, it creates dissatisfied customers who are only willing to spend premium price on a few games and/or only buy digital at cheap pricepoints. That's what already happened in the PC market and mobile market. Console is still catching up which I guess makes sense, since it was the slowest market to adopt digital.


yet despite the rise of always-connected games, there has been a rise of boutique publishers grabbing the most obscure indie games and printing them for $30 and selling out. Aside from the appeal to collectors and resellers, there's clearly a profitable enough customer base to make it worth it. The customers who are eager to buy physical aren't interested in converting over to digital.

I brought up vinyl because it's an outdated format that is returning after an objective market decline. Physical book sales are rising and have been rising for years, despite e readers and an overall decline in public interest in reading as a hobby.

Physical may certainly fade away someday. However, the various dogit products in 2023 still have glaring issues. Physical has tangible advantages like… well… tangibility, and customers are paying a premium to own copies of games even if they can buy a digital copy of the same game for cheaper.
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The problem is that physical games nowadays are almost always incomplete and will be complete horseshit without gigantic day one patches when servers go down. The aspect I enjoyed the most of phydical games were the manuals and those have been gone for good as well.
 
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