Thread: Alien: The Role-Playing Game (Tabletop)

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Has anyone checked out the rulebook for Alien: The Role-Playing Game?

I downloaded a PDF and I'm very impressed. It's actually renewed my interest in the Alien franchise. The core rule book covers almost everything you need to know and even includes a star map to show you where everything is located.

I also checked out the Colonial Marines Operations Manual which is the first supplement for the role playing game.

There's so much lore and interesting information that I would say it's definitely worth checking this stuff out.

The way everything is set up is you can have games other than xenomorphs. There's all sorts of politics and the different corporations as well as some different kinds of aliens other than xenomorphs.

The books also tie in all the expanded universe stuff as well. Alien: Isolation is mentioned as well as other games and from the other books in the expanded universe.

Like I said, it's renewed my interest in this universe. I very much highly recommend it.

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It's an RPG I wish I could play but even with the ability to have groups online, I just don't have the time for. Still, I've read most of them and kept up with reviews and game reports using the system, and it sounds brilliant.

The only downside is the inclusion if the Engineers and plot points from Promethius/Covenant, but in fairness they do a far, far better job than the movies, and bring back some of that sense of mystery, scale and fear of the unknown they undermined.
 
It's an RPG I wish I could play but even with the ability to have groups online, I just don't have the time for. Still, I've read most of them and kept up with reviews and game reports using the system, and it sounds brilliant.

The only downside is the inclusion if the Engineers and plot points from Promethius/Covenant, but in fairness they do a far, far better job than the movies, and bring back some of that sense of mystery, scale and fear of the unknown they undermined.

From having played some, I don't mind them leaning into that direction. It means that not every scenario is about xenomorphs so it gives it a bit of variety. Also, when you're playing it you're not getting the full picture of the lore you're just someone trapped in a situation with this horror that you know nothing about. So like you say it works to give that sense of the unknown and the mystery that comes with it.
 
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I'm really hoping that the upcoming book gives statistics or at least talks about in passing the mechanical alien race that absorbs people and technology.
 
Does this stick to mainly the original Aliens films or does it tie in a lot to the later abortions known as Prometheus and Alien Covenant?
 
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Does this stick to mainly the original Aliens films or does it tie in a lot to the later abortions known as Prometheus and Alien Covenant?

I've played two games of it. Both were the shorter prewritten adventures that the game calls "cinematic" play compared to a longer campaign format. You can have games that focus on colonists and ones that focus on marines. So it can be catered to the type of Alien experience your group enjoys.

One was grounded very much in Aliens, we played colonists on Hadley's Hope right at the point where everything has fallen apart. The second seemed to be drawing on things that were maybe inspired by but not directly related to Prometheus and Covenant. There's also stuff from the extended universe. Like in that second game my character was
a spy working for the Union of Progressive Peoples.
As someone who isn't a super hardcore fan of the series and mostly just knows the films it was fun to have a reason to delve into the wikis to learn more about the deeper lore.

A fun aspect of the game is that with those scenarios each character has their own agendas that develop as the game progresses. So even though you're all on the same page when it comes to the big picture you each have your own goals and motivations that might conflict with each other. So it fosters this sense of paranoia among the group where you aren't sure why someone is doing that weird thing. Maybe they're trying to fuck you over but you also need each other to have the best chance of surviving this threat.
 
Does this stick to mainly the original Aliens films or does it tie in a lot to the later abortions known as Prometheus and Alien Covenant?

Yes it covers Prometheus and probably Alien Covenant.

Personally, I really loved Prometheus. It's up there as one of my favorite Alien movies.

Alien Covenant, on the other hand, was probably the worst alien movie not counting the second AVP movie.
 
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Yes it covers Prometheus and probably Alien Covenant.

Personally, I really loved Prometheus. It's up there as one of my favorite Alien movies.

Alien Covenant, on the other hand, was probably the worst alien movie not counting the second AVP movie.

AVP 2 is awesome. I recently bought it on Blu-ray as a joke but then was genuinely surprised by how much fun it is and I really don't understand why people dislike it. The Predator (4) is pure garbage though and Prey has a decent 1st half and absolutely tragic 2nd half. But AVP 2 I would put among the better movies for sure, definitely better than AVP1. Still quite a bit below 1 and 2 but about on par with 3. Aliens though I only ever liked the first 3, after that it was just a total mess, especially how Ridley Scott made Prometheus and Covenant to shit on Aliens, which he hates as it ruined his vision (Which is true).

I think that Ridley Scott's Alien and James Cameron's Aliens should be two separate universes since they are so wildly different. Aliens universe should only use the basic plot of Alien but apart from that it should be its own thing in all other regards. Because if you try to play both sides you get something like the Aliens: Fireteam Elite which is a mix of all the movies and thus it becomes an absolutely horrific Frankenstein's monster with lore all over the place contradicting itself at every turn.
 
AVP 2 is awesome. I recently bought it on Blu-ray as a joke but then was genuinely surprised by how much fun it is and I really don't understand why people dislike it. The Predator (4) is pure garbage though and Prey has a decent 1st half and absolutely tragic 2nd half. But AVP 2 I would put among the better movies for sure, definitely better than AVP1. Still quite a bit below 1 and 2 but about on par with 3. Aliens though I only ever liked the first 3, after that it was just a total mess, especially how Ridley Scott made Prometheus and Covenant to shit on Aliens, which he hates as it ruined his vision (Which is true).

I think that Ridley Scott's Alien and James Cameron's Aliens should be two separate universes since they are so wildly different. Aliens universe should only use the basic plot of Alien but apart from that it should be its own thing in all other regards. Because if you try to play both sides you get something like the Aliens: Fireteam Elite which is a mix of all the movies and thus it becomes an absolutely horrific Frankenstein's monster with lore all over the place contradicting itself at every turn.

I'd agree with you up until making Alien and Aliens seperare.

The best solution is just to ignore everything Ridley Scott said or made after the first movie, because he has clearly demonstrated he does not understand the key narrative and appeal of Alien or why that first movie worked at all.

I'd actually go so far as to say, despite his excellent directing, that Alien could have been just as great a movie with someone else in the position. That movie was very much a collaborative effort, and there were far more important people involved than just Ridley Scott, which is why on the two occasions he was brought back and given total control, he made 2 dogshit movies, that left the entire franchise worse off.

Now Aliens, that really was almost all James Cameron, and showed a far greater understanding of why people loved the first movie than Scott has.

Cameron wrote Aliens specifically not to contradict Alien, but to build on it, and was responsible for intelligently extrapolating out the themes and popular narrative threads and working them into a wider tapestry.

Plus Cameron actually designed and built shit like the Queen and Pulse Rifles himself. He's as deserving of respect and of being a 'creator' of the Alien series popularity as Giger and O'bannon in my mind, far above Scott.
 
I'd agree with you up until making Alien and Aliens seperare.

They are just so different though. The Alien from the first and second movie are very different thematically and even abit aesthetically.

In the first movie it is a "perfect organism", requiring no hierarchy or other social systems to function and reproduce. The egg was a stage in the Alien's development and wasn't laid, which you can see in the deleted scene in the first movie. The Alien was supposed to be extremely different from what we know from our world.

The second movie made the aliens much less alien by making them ants/bees and by explaining everything about them in very simple terms. Which turned the perfect organism into cannon fodder for the main characters.

I don't like Prometheus or Covenant at all but I do very much enjoy Scott's themes in the first movie and I understand his frustration with Aliens.
 
They are just so different though. The Alien from the first and second movie are very different thematically and even abit aesthetically.

In the first movie it is a "perfect organism", requiring no hierarchy or other social systems to function and reproduce. The egg was a stage in the Alien's development and wasn't laid, which you can see in the deleted scene in the first movie. The Alien was supposed to be extremely different from what we know from our world.

The second movie made the aliens much less alien by making them ants/bees and by explaining everything about them in very simple terms. Which turned the perfect organism into cannon fodder for the main characters.

I don't like Prometheus or Covenant at all but I do very much enjoy Scott's themes in the first movie and I understand his frustration with Aliens.

Except Ash's assertion of the Alien being the perfect organism is not related to being self contained, as is explained by the Writer Dan O'Bannon and actor Ian Holm, it's the perspective of an android frustrated by his own lack of true life, seeing a creature that is biomechanical, a blending of his own limited existence with that of his organic creators, but surpassing both not only physically, but without any of the restraints of either his programing or human notions of morality, fear or greed.

As ash says "I admire it's purity... A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."

The 'egg morphing' scene is also not an intended implication of what is happening within the nest Ripley finds. Both Scott and O'bannon have stated that that is not what is happening to Brett there, and infact it was this scene that was the inspiration for the hive in Aliens, expanded upon alongside all the many details and production notes from the first movie talking about how the Alien design and life cycle is explicitly insecr like, specifically taken from parasitic wasps that lay eggs on or in living hosts.

The original life cycle for the Alien was intended to have been that of an intelligent species evolved from such parasitic insect like life, with the Space Jockey having discovered one of that lost civilisations great pyramids, housing their eggs, awaiting hosts. This pyramid was cut and the eggs added to the Derelict only due to budget constraints and run time concerns. The idea that the eggs are an Engineer bio weapon, lining the inside of the ship like bombs to be dropped on an unsuspecting population, is a a fan theory that Scott adopted well after Aliens, and was also never intended to have been either the origin of the species, nor even a tie between the Aliens and the Space Jockeys.

Now if we want to talk about themes, then the real them of Alien is sex, sexual violence, disease and birth, all of which are motifs repeated through Aliens and again, expanded upon, specifically to include motherhood, and the survivors guilt and trauma of sexual abuse.

There's also the theme of average Joe's suffering through the extraordinary that is present in both films. The protagonists are blue collar, working class folk, Space truckers in the first movie, and construction workers and soldiers in the second. In both movies the white collar, middle class, corporate higher ups are as much the villains as the Aliens themselves.

The alterations to the design of the Alien between the movies is also not the travesty people accuse it of being, and is in reality a refinement of the design and closer to the original intention that was unable to be realised at the time.

The most obvious alteration is the head design, but this is primarily a removal of the clear dome of the Big Chap, specifically because you were meant to be able to see all those details, but due to the weakness of the costume and unfortunate need to paint it mostly black (it was originally all clear, but when it came to film the actor within was too obvious and the materials used too prone to breaking), obscuring the internal structures. The Aliens design is once again closer to the original intended vision for the creatures, but with Cameron's superior understanding of special effects being able to better bring that vision to the screen, while also making costumes that didn't fall apart halfway through filming (the Big Chap suit was almost completely destroyed while filming the Narcisssus sequence, and had been having bits fall off, crack of break since day one of filming).

Now, if we're talking about retcons and fan theories, as the egg morphing was, then that is precisely what all of Prometheus and Covenant were full of.

Scott so spectacularly got everything wrong about Alien, it's themes, it's popularity and it's intended story, that he actively undermined his own work by retconing the Space Jockeys to the Engineers, making them vastly smaller and no longer symbiotic to their technology, as they had been intended to be by O'bannon and Giger, made them both the creators of humanity out of nowhere and undermined the 'perfect organism' nature of the Aliens, by making them an accident of the black goo combined with the inferior tinkering of the mad android David.

And even then, the likely now cancelled Alien Awakening, the sequel to Covenant, was meant to show David creating the first Queen, so not even Scott himself found the furthering of the insect analogies to be inappropriate.

So no, I reject your premise of the two movies being incompatible or thematically incongruous. There is far more similar between the two than different, and most of what you're reading into the first movie is either unintended and unsupported fan theories or retcons brought about by Scott, who showed less respect and understanding of Alien than Cameron did.

Alien does hold up as a singular, stand alone work in a way that Aliens cannot, I will grant you, but the two stories combined show an almost unheard of consistency and completeness as a narrative, that I would argue no other unplanned movie sequel manages, beyond maybe Terminator 1 and 2, and even those had the advantage of a consistent, singular vision behind it.
 
I bow to your deep knowledge. I concede my points.

In fairness I've just rewatched both Alien and Aliens, read 2 books on the production of each movie and spent a couple of hours yesterday listening to some deep dive analyses of the Alien franchise oveeall, including collected interviews with the cast and crew, so this stuff is super fresh in my mind right now.

Interestingly both Weaver and Cameron see the Aliens directors cut to be the 'canon' version people should watch (it's release to home video even being a condition for Weaver to return for Alien³), but O'bannon, Scott and Weaver agreed the theatrical cut is the correct version of Alien, which is also something to bear in mind, as it further strengthens the motherhood theme running through both movies, which I believe can be argued to also be a refutation of the concepts of socialism and the strength of traditional family structures, but I'm going off the deep end at this point and won't bore you all with an essay on reason #257 as to why I believe Alien and Aliens are the best movies ever made.
 
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I always liked the idea of egg morphing. It's just so horrific to see a person being consumed by the egg. Yes, it's not so much that the person was turning into an egg as they were being consumed and thus becoming part of the egg. I wish they would have kept that idea while still keeping the Queen.

The table top role-playing game hints that both are the reasons for the eggs. If there's no Queen around, then the xenomorphs can somehow cause an egg morphing to occur and I thought that was pretty cool.

Also it's funny you mentioned space truckers and construction workers or roughnecks, because those are classes in the role-playing game.
 
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I always liked the idea of egg morphing. It's just so horrific to see a person being consumed by the egg. Yes, it's not so much that the person was turning into an egg as they were being consumed and thus becoming part of the egg. I wish they would have kept that idea while still keeping the Queen.

The table top role-playing game hints that both are the reasons for the eggs. If there's no Queen around, then the xenomorphs can somehow cause an egg morphing to occur and I thought that was pretty cool.

Also it's funny you mentioned space truckers and construction workers or roughnecks, because those are classes in the role-playing game.

I appreciate that the multiple redundant methods allow for the quick establishment of a new hive should things go wrong. Egg morphing might have started as a fan theory but I quite like the idea as an option.

A single drone can egg morph victims, as the Big Chap in Alien was believed to have been, or in cases where there are too many hostiles around to risk establishing a nest without warriors, molt into a Preatorian that can impregnate hosts directly, like the Predalien in AvP Requim

If things go well however, once enough drones and or warriors are birthed via egg morphing, a drone will molt straight to a Queen, and begin industrial egg production, as seen in Aliens and Alien Isolation.

Said Queen will eventually start having select young molt into Preatorians, both to act as guards and back up Queens should she die, and she herself can lay Queen eggs under duress that will be able to impregnate two victims, one with a Queen lava and a second with a Drone to gather hosts for her.

What I'm not keen on, that has started creeping into lore of late, is that the Queen, Praetorians, crushers and such like are 'true form' creatures, that look identical regardless of host. Part of the Aliens strength was quickly established to be it's adaptability in copying useful traits from hosts, so it's default form being clearly homo sapien just smacks of laziness and small visioned thinking that led to the rerconing of the Space Jockeys into the albino humans in elephant suits that were the Engineers, who of course created both humans and proto Aliens with the same black goo.
 
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Egg morphing might have started as a fan theory but I quite like the idea as an option.

It didn't start as a fan theory but as an original idea. In the first Alien movie they were going to have one of the crew discovered in partial transformation/consumption.

I would have rather had the space jockey actually look like the suit itself as opposed to just tall albino humanoids. I still love Prometheus but I agree it's kind of lazy. I want more weird aliens.
 
It didn't start as a fan theory but as an original idea. In the first Alien movie they were going to have one of the crew discovered in partial transformation/consumption.

I would have rather had the space jockey actually look like the suit itself as opposed to just tall albino humanoids. I still love Prometheus but I agree it's kind of lazy. I want more weird aliens.

Again, that is not what the nest scene was meant to be implying, both Ridley Scott and the Writer Dan O'Bannon have explicitly stated as such in interviews. Scott even stated that they were being stored as food.

The fan theory arises from this part of the Alien novelisation by Alan Dean Foster:

"Kill me,' the whisperer pleaded with her.
'What . . . what did it do to you?'
Dallas tried to speak again, failed. His head turned a little to the right. Ripley swung her light, turned it upward slightly. A second cocoon hung there, different in texture and colour from the first. It was smaller and darker, the silk having formed a hard, shining shell. It looked, although Ripley couldn't know it, like the broken, empty urn on the derelict ship."

Said novel takes numerous liberties with the plot and goes off in various weird tangents, including multiple extra sequences and reinterpretations of events in the movie that are entirely Fosters creation, or based on early drafts of the script and outlines of the characters.

This then led to the theory being repeated by fans and eventually by those same fans that created various behind the scenes and production exploring books and later videos, further fuelled by the fact there had been a nest scene filmed and eventually shown in the directors cut.

The idea Brett is turning into an egg however was not the intention behind his cocooned prop, and the visual similarities are as much a trick of the light and visual consistency inherent in having Giger designing everything. Shots from different angles show it to be less egg like and more consistent with other parts of the nest.

Saying that, it is a grotesque and fitting idea that I'm glad has worked it's way into canon, but to say it was ever intended by the film makers or meant to be the original method of egg creation, that was altered by Aliens, is factually incorrect.

You might as well argue Aliens are also hyper intelligent civilised beings, because they were meant to have been building pyramids, travelling the stars, and the original ending was to have the Alien eat Ripley's head, then record that final signing off broadcast in her voice to lure in more victims. That's stuff that was actually planned and changed relatively late on in production.
 
Space Commies!

Indeed!

Although
in my character's given backstory they were more of a reluctant space commie. They were an academic who had done espionage work decades in the past and were a sleeper agent who had been reluctantly reactivated by the UPP threatening their family if they didn't complete the mission.
 
Again, that is not what the nest scene was meant to be implying, both Ridley Scott and the Writer Dan O'Bannon have explicitly stated as such in interviews. Scott even stated that they were being stored as food.

The fan theory arises from this part of the Alien novelisation by Alan Dean Foster:

"Kill me,' the whisperer pleaded with her.
'What . . . what did it do to you?'
Dallas tried to speak again, failed. His head turned a little to the right. Ripley swung her light, turned it upward slightly. A second cocoon hung there, different in texture and colour from the first. It was smaller and darker, the silk having formed a hard, shining shell. It looked, although Ripley couldn't know it, like the broken, empty urn on the derelict ship."

Said novel takes numerous liberties with the plot and goes off in various weird tangents, including multiple extra sequences and reinterpretations of events in the movie that are entirely Fosters creation, or based on early drafts of the script and outlines of the characters.

This then led to the theory being repeated by fans and eventually by those same fans that created various behind the scenes and production exploring books and later videos, further fuelled by the fact there had been a nest scene filmed and eventually shown in the directors cut.

The idea Brett is turning into an egg however was not the intention behind his cocooned prop, and the visual similarities are as much a trick of the light and visual consistency inherent in having Giger designing everything. Shots from different angles show it to be less egg like and more consistent with other parts of the nest.

Saying that, it is a grotesque and fitting idea that I'm glad has worked it's way into canon, but to say it was ever intended by the film makers or meant to be the original method of egg creation, that was altered by Aliens, is factually incorrect.

You might as well argue Aliens are also hyper intelligent civilised beings, because they were meant to have been building pyramids, travelling the stars, and the original ending was to have the Alien eat Ripley's head, then record that final signing off broadcast in her voice to lure in more victims. That's stuff that was actually planned and changed relatively late on in production.

Here's an entire article on eggmorphing. It explains the origins and everything.


Eggmorphing was originally to be witnessed during the climax of

Alien
, when Ripley discovers Dallas and Brett cocooned in the Nostromo's hold, both at various stages of being "digested" and turned into an Egg.[6] The entire sequence was cut as director Ridley Scott felt it slowed down the final act of the film.[7] However, the scene did appear in the movie's novelization,[8] and was referenced in the novelizations of the sequel films.
 
Here's an entire article on eggmorphing. It explains the origins and everything.


Yeah, I know what the fan theory is.

That fan wiki article doesn't give any evidence or site any official sources for the theory, beyond the non canon novelisation I already mentioned, and misrepresents Scott's interview stating they were not being turned into eggs, but being stored as food, as I also already mentioned.

It was simply not intended to be what was happening in that scene at the time. That is very much a retcon that has never appeared or been recognised in anything other than more recent extended universe materials. Even Alien Isolation has been confirmed to have had a Queen laying all those eggs off screen on Servastapol.

Furthermore, here's something to consider: why is it called "eggmorphing"?

Because the theory was invented after Aliens had been released, which is when people started to (incorrectly) begin calling the aliens Xenomorphs. It's a more recent invention than the Alien Queen is.