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lock2k
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My wife's aunt was a renowned illustrator before the digital age came. Tech happened, she didn't learn it, she was stuck to using pencils and whatnot. Guess what happened? She never worked as an artist again and had to go work as an art teacher. It was tragic, but had she learned illustrator, photoshop, drawing with a tablet, the whole shebang, she could still be working in the new world, but they passed the work to people who had those skills. The same thing will happen with AI in every single field, it's a game changer and people better get with the program than trying to ignore it. Those who are using it to their advantage will have the edge over the Amish artists who are stuck in the last century.
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I dont think I need to, given the numerous controversies and court cases.
How does any of that translate to "sucking"? The fact that you see this sentence:
And think this somehow means humans "suck", says a lot about you and your mindset here. This isn't a bad thing, it's one of the great things about human expression and creativity. A machine generator doesn't have that.
Who was she?
The most renowned artist in the world before his death a few months ago was Kim Jung GI. All he used was pencils, pens, paper and art boards for his illustrations. The man was wildly successful and sought after in many different fields. His live art shows have millions of views. I could rattle off dozens are artists in comics, manga and illustration that don't use digital art that are very successful. Your anecdote is unfortunate, but it is by no means a basis for any sort of standard.
Well, I'm waiting. With courts taking artists sides and stable diffusion removing artists from their databases artists will have less room to complain about the existence of the tech. Given the limitations of the generators like the spotty ability to render eyes without uncanny valley, awful lineart, the gibberish hands and text, the absolute nonsense garbled visual language of landscapes and etc...I think they have more room to breathe than you'd think.
Man, you really had to top it off with cringe huh. No one will have any edge over anyone with this tech, it just means some people will have more tools in the tool box. If traditional artists can survive photography, and digital art, they'll survive this too.
lock2k
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I'm not saying they won't survive, but you think the most pedestrian artists who live off commisions will survive you are dead wrong. A lot of them will have to stop drawing caricactures and stuff like that because it's easy to train an AI to do it for you and if humans can choose not to pay, they won't pay, this is similar to what happened with Napster and Metallica some 20 years ago. Downloading music changed the whole game and this will too.
Also, a lot of companies will resort to AI to illustrate children's books because results will be just as good and parents won't care if it was drawn by a human or not, it will happen, I'm sure of it.
My wife's Aunt is called Daisy Startari, she was famous locally here in Brazil and she is one of the best illustrators I've ever seen, but she sadly didn't embrace digital and her last professional works were done in the 90's. She illustrated a lot of children's books back then.
What I said about using it to our favor is not cringe at all. One of the skills I have in my job is writing and I'm already messing with chatgpt because it's better to know the new tech than to be clueless and replaced later. I know what it's like to become obsolete. I used to own a gaming store and the advent of digital made me go bankrupt. I got pissed at the time, but I reinvented myself as a marketing professional instead of just lamenting how the world changed. I even embraced digital gaming and I can't stand having a physical collection these days. If I ever have to change again, I'll be ready for it.
You have some great arguments. But why the fuck are artists so scared if this shit won't make a dent (Supposedly) into their livelihoods? They shouldn't be scared if machines are so souless. They're afraid of getting replaced, otherwise they wouldn't make such a childish protest. It's like a bunch of Lars Ulrichs gathered to complain about mp3 all over again.
I agree machines don't replace humans, and as a musician I have yet to see a drummer complain about digital drums (I can't play drums so I program them on my computer, and these drums use drum samples recorded from real drums).
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Those people have always struggled to get by in every era. Most artists these days generate passive income making different products like sticks, t-shirts, and mugs. Yeah the big artists still get six figure deals working on commissions for companies like Blizzard, DC and Marvel but I think those guys are the exception.
Not everyone can be an Alex Ross, or a Riccardo Federicci.
You'd be surprised. Despite it's impressive functionality, machine generated art can be incredibly difficult to produce the exact kinds of images you want. In the time you spent prompting and fiddling a professional artist could have already produced sufficient work.
This? No offense, but she's not exactly an amazing artist. I'd find it hard to believe she'd have much beyond a niche audience, digital age or not.
"Amish Artists" is the cringe.
Sounds as though you're more intimidated by this stuff than I am.
I'm sure that's the case for some. I doubt this technology will ever be able to replace real artists due to its own built in limitations, but supposing it does I doubt it will be for many more decades.
For many it's simply a matter of people benefiting off of their hard work(decades of training and experimentation) without compensation, which I understand. I've seen some artists proposing some sort of monetary system where they are paid to have their art trained into one of the databases.
That said, there's many artists who have yet to even catch on to all this, some are just too busy working.
However, I don't see it as childish at all. Being phased out by technology has been a real concern for many. I think it's pretty juvenile to treat that as a "childish protest". It reminds me of the "learn to code" debacle. Technology doesn't stop for anyone, it's true. That however doesn't mean that our concerns regarding it and the human element are somehow childish.
Well at least we agree on something.
lock2k
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No, it's not hard to generate good-looking stuff, with the right prompts you can generate a boatload of cool shit. I have a folder with a lot of really cool AI art that I generated, and the results were pretty close to what I imagined. This technology is amazing.
I've seen her drawing stuff out of the blue in front of me and I think what she does is amazing, she doesn't have a single art style. She even drew me and my wife at our wedding, and we had banners of that, it was awesome. I don't give a rat's ass if you like her style or not. Also, whenever someone starts a sentence and uses "no offense" you already know the person is meaning to be an asshole. Not cool.
I'm not intimidated by anything, I'm using AI the hell out of openAI, midjourney, stable diffusion dall-e, chatgpt, and it's cool as hell. You know what is the coolest thing that machines have that artists don't have? A little something called ego. Seeing the artists' ego being crushed is amazing.
If artists aren't intimidated by this, then stop protesting and keep drawing. If they are concerned, it's because they are afraid, simple as that.
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I didn't say anything about "cool stuff" I said exact. It's why people are failing to generate sequential art with this stuff, and many feel the need to edit the images produced to make them more accurate.
Most people who aren't artists think it's amazing. I hope you value that more than some machine churned gibberish.
I didn't say I didn't like it, I pointed out that kind of stuff is very niche and doesn't have mass appeal.
How was anything I said there "meaning to be an asshole". You're starting to come off borderline unhinged with how unnecessarily combative you're being.
Dude you literally just had a whole diatribe about how you lamented the onset of technology and its effects on industry and business.
Yeah, that is cringe. The people using these machine generators definitely do have that ego, which you have put on to amazing display with these silly declarations. It almost seems as though YOU have a problem with artists here yourself.
Even now people still value art made by people over that of machines. I doubt that's even going to change. Art itself is defined by human creative expression. Even if some day corporations attempt to use this tech to phase out artists, people will always value the creative expression of other humans.
That's stupid dude. "You can't have any criticism of this thing without being afraid". People 100% are entitled to defend their body of work, from being exploited by those with no investment in the development of said body of work. Being protective and possessive of that body of work is only natural.
It's people's lives.
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I already replied to all of these points and I won't do it again. I'd rather engage in the conversation about Kylie and Van Damme which is happening in the Would You thread than this.
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Every time I see Peterson it looks like he's slowly morphing into Doctor Wiley.
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The advancements of ai are fascinating, and a bit frightening if you don't enjoy "sea change" types of circumstances. Personally, I think we're on the precipice (within the next couple decades) of mass divergence in terms of the direction humanity takes. We'll see a technological / augmented version - a *new* species, if you will and we'll see large numbers that see these drastic changes and want no part of that future. Personally, as much as I enjoy technology, I feel as if it is becoming our master rather than our servant, and those who choose to integrate with it will lose their humanity - in the sense of what it has meant for a very long time. I'm one of those "hippie, Mother-Earth" types at heart though, and I feel the technological route is going too far in distancing us from that source of life.
tldr : Prophetic Terminator, The Matrix, Deux Ex, etc...
tldr : Prophetic Terminator, The Matrix, Deux Ex, etc...
I'd argue that we lost our humanity a long time ago. We are extremely disconnected from nature. Most of us wouldn't last a week, if that, in the woods, which is basically the natural order of things. Most of us can't farm, can't hunt, can't grow food. Sometimes I wonder if we belong on this planet in the first place, but that's another story.
I think that things probably it will look very different to what we expect. Back to the Future envisioned the future in a completely different way than what we actually got, because the internet threw a curve ball. I wouldn't dare say how society looks 5 years from now, let alone a couple of decades.
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I don't disagree. It's all a matter of degrees, I suppose, as change unfolds. I know personally, as much as I enjoy some aspects of the technological / industrial world, my heart is in nature and I really yearn for a world that is not so accessible presently, at least in a wide-scale manner. (I'm not planning on becoming Amish, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
) But change is ever-present, and for me, part of the "meditation" of life is to make peace with the inevitable transience of all things, including my own identity / persona - just another dream / illusion. It's all a very interesting trip, however things unfold, even if resistance to what *is* sometimes makes things seem unpleasant.
lock2k
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For those who can work at home due to technology, like me, I think tech brought me closer to nature than I ever was before. I can travel frequently now due to remote work and before that I was confined to a cubicle.
That's a good point. Although it's an improvement, I wouldn't necessarily call it being close to nature if you're focused on a screen.
I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast recently, one of the older episodes. They were talking about how humans have an innate drive for violence that is not being satisfied. In the wild we would have to exert this to hunt and eat, and because we lack this experience, we express it by insulting each other on the internet, road rage and so on.
lock2k
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I'm focused on a screen while I'm working but on the rest of the day I can enjoy beaches and the wilderness. That's way better than what I had in pre pandemic years.
Living the good life I see. In a way, I envy you. Any advice to finding a remote job? I should ask the chatGPT bot xD
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I work in marketing for a company specialized in recruitment for other companies. It's a U.S. company but also present in all continents. Its initials are RH.
- all the jobs are remote.
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All things house their opposite. And all apparent movements are ultimately grounded in stillness, only given life by the restless, desire-laden mind which brings motion to the (surface appearance of) void.
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This is chatgpt's work right? lol
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Microsoft in talks to invest $10 bln in ChatGPT-owner OpenAI, Semafor reports
Microsoft Corp is in talks to invest $10 billion in ChatGPT-owner OpenAI as part of funding that will value the firm at $29 billion, Semafor reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
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Microsoft in talks to invest $10 bln in ChatGPT-owner OpenAI, Semafor reports
Microsoft Corp is in talks to invest $10 billion in ChatGPT-owner OpenAI as part of funding that will value the firm at $29 billion, Semafor reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
gross
whatever value this could have had is sure to be squandered
Mandatory Microsoft Account login and Bing integration will probably be first among the annoying things Microsoft would do.
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And with all the woke messaging being packed into it now, it'll be worse when it goes full corporate
This shit is incredible - the hentai these kind of programs makes is very good, and able to closely match specific artist styles.
I imagine hooking myself up to a computer in 10-15 years and having an entirely customized VR sexual encounter with the anime babe of my choosing. Oh, and it will revolutionize engineering, medicine, and programming. All that boring stuff. But the T&A will be incredible.
I imagine hooking myself up to a computer in 10-15 years and having an entirely customized VR sexual encounter with the anime babe of my choosing. Oh, and it will revolutionize engineering, medicine, and programming. All that boring stuff. But the T&A will be incredible.
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No it won't, that would cut into corpo profits too much. It'd be Tesla all over again the second people try and use this for any kind of betterment for mankind.
Open source is unstoppable once it drops. Maybe they will segregate the Internet to try to break it, but it is probably too late. All the data needed for major advances is out there for the scraping. Data hoarding is going to explode even further.
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Doesnt matter, any kind of advancements will be stonewalled, segregated and shut out of the public eye.
ChatGPT knows Elon Musk is Twitter’s CEO, despite saying its learning cutoff was in 2021
A representative for OpenAI told Semafor that it’s possible the bot was learning new details during its regular training updates with researchers.
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stable diffusion at least is open source and you can run it from your own machine.
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I hear copyright originally was meant for 7 years, which sounds reasonable. How many of these artists works would already be public domain if not for the corrupt politicians?
BTW this tech is advancing exponentially fast, a few years ago you'd be called crazy for suggesting arbitrary complex image generation was even possible. Within a few years the image bugs will be ironed out.
ChatGPT knows Elon Musk is Twitter’s CEO, despite saying its learning cutoff was in 2021
A representative for OpenAI told Semafor that it’s possible the bot was learning new details during its regular training updates with researchers.
If a bot is trained off of large amounts of human data to create pattern models just like humans do to do things human want it to do for them like humans would. . .
Why would it not become "human-like" at some point? After that it is just a matter of how "human-like" it needs to be to start
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No, it's a lot more complicated than that. For individual copyright protections they last the lifetime of the author+70 years(originally 28). Unlike those of an individual, a corporation's copyright lasts 120 years from creation or 95 years from publication. When it comes to the sale and purchase of artwork, there's a bit more to it as well if my memory serves.
Machine generated image technology has been around since 2018. It's only just now entering the mass public consciousness.
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It was extended i hear to lifetime of author + 70 years originally i hear was 7 years. The extension is excesive
It may have been around since 2018 but it has improved exponentially. Just like gpt. Gpt2 is a joke compared to gpt3.