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DonDonDonPata
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the hologram effect is really neat.
Why people gotta be so salty? Whuuh, they don't have enough games to play on PSVR2?
JORMBO
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Grisham
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That's a fucking genius way to have added nearly a quarter of a million users to the Gamepass subscriber stats.
Bakkus
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XSX is probably gonna be my last Xbox console with how they're fading out physical releases. Hi-Fi Rush not having one, Alan Wake 2 not having one and the Hitman trilogy not having one (PS5 version does...) is a disgrace. How can people be okay with no game preservation like this?...
Right there with you on the sadness of the death of physical games. Thats my biggest concern about the next gen. With all signs pointing to physical media (in general) going the way of the Dodo, I can see both Sony and MS dropping it next get. Nintendo might keep physical carts for another gen...but after that IDK.
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I'm beginning to think that physical releases have absolutely no bearing on game preservation. Just look at Nintendo Switch where big releases are preserved before the game even officially releases. There's nothing in that library that won't be archived.
Bakkus
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So many games would be lost forever if games were always digital. Like, imagine how much people would sell their Sega Saturns for with Panzer Dragoon Saga downloaded inside. It would be PS3 with P.T. times 100...
Problem is they're all doing it. Well, at least Sony and MS both. And physical releases don't even include the whole game anymore. Any physical release I've bought in the last couple years forces me to go online the first time I pop it in and download more of the game. The days of digital and needing to be online are here to stay I'm afraid thanks to gamers just going along with the program.
As much as I love my XSX, I'm not above criticizing MS for the BS they've pulled in the past. "Always online" back in 2013 with the X1, retracted, and then they quietly snuck it back in over the years which lead to the "Great DRM Outage" of 2022. Big reason why digital only is a bane on gaming.
Optimus
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What part of digital preservation isn't making sense here? Every game released for Switch, digital-only included, is already preserved online. I can download literally every game ever released for Switch right now. There isn't a console on the market that isn't cracked where I can download any game, even ones discontinued, and load it up on my cracked system. Absolutely nothing will be lost forever.
You going to bet that 25 years from now they will all still be there? What about 50? What happens if the internet is locked down and piracy become incredibly difficult? As a guy who watches a lot of movies, I can tell you that there are so many (that were released on DVD even) that cannot be found on the internet. And even worse content gets edited over time and you cannot get original versions. I mean if you think a kindle is a 'preservation of books' you are insane.
JORMBO
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There are plenty of websites I can go to right now and download any game released on a Nintendo system going back to NES and Gameboy. Those games are 35+ years old now. Atari and older systems are available too. If the internet gets locked down I think we will have bigger problems to worry about other then game preservation.
I do wish physical media would be around forever as someone who likes to have a collection. But I realize it is going away. I think it stinks for those of us that like to collect, but I am not worried about it from a "preservation" perspective since games are already preserved online.
The internet getting locked down is both all too likely and being actively pursued by most governments. We will indeed have bigger problems than game preservation due to it, but that will definitely be hit.
On top of that, technology is getting worryingly rickety as time goes on.
System failures, falling IQ's, the rising cost of living, energy scarcity, international supply line failures and trade war shenanigans will only be more common problems from here on out, any one of which could knock out archives of old games without notice, even without the increasing move towards walled garden software that could simply shut off your ability to download the ROMS and emulators with a single update.
There's a greater chance of us losing technology, of no longer having the capability to replicate the things we have easy access to now, over the next 50 years, than of any kind of improvements over what we've currently got.
Optimus
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Yes, I'm going to tell you that it will all be there. Even stuff you struggle to find today is going to be recovered in the future. They can try and lock the internet down, and you'll just find flash drives or the future equivalent loaded with everything. They'll fit our whole damn civilization on a 200 TB card in the future. You'll buy it for $30 or whatever.
The thing that is dying and disappearing are your old DVDs as they degrade. There's not a physical media that doesn't degrade or rot with time. All those blu-ray discs are gonna stop working in a few decades probably. But the stuff online will still be there digitally.
Digital preservation is the way. Having thousands to millions of digital copies is the future. Being able to host that across dozens of sites is just the method of propagation. Keeping the propagation alive and healthy is an additional layer of preservation. But digital is the way. Worrying about carts and discs on store shelves isn't going to help preserve the stuff.
JORMBO
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Xbox sparks dev revolt with new AI writing partnership: 'Lots of people are going to get fired, games will get worse, and C-suite will get millions'
"Another f****** strike is coming."
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Phil_t98
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with games getting bigger and bigger what do you propose for storage options going forward then? look at the new cods all over 120gbs. 4k textures nd we gonna be getting 8k textures take up a lot of space.
what's you suggestion with physical going forward to help with that?
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How is this any different for downloadables? They take up the same space. I fail to see your point here.
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Have you tried rubbing sacred oils on it, and chanting the Litany of Restarting to appease the machine spirit though?
Phil_t98
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Yeah because when playing the game we all wanna get up to insert disc 2 done we, especially playing an open world game we're it could be multiple disc swapping
Limited disc space where as downloads are obviously not limited by disc space. What's the biggest blu-ray these days? 100g? That's cos on 2 discs which ain't ideal
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The fuck are you talking about mate? No games actually run off the disc anymore.
You install to the internal drive the first time you insert a disc, then it acts as license authentication when you want to actually play. It's been that way since last gen.
If you had 2 discs, you'd just need to swap them once on that first install, then either could be used as to actually allow you to play.
Have you actually played any games off discs since 7th gen? Or are you just shitting on physical because you prefer digital?
Because if you'd had any experience playing a single game off a disc in the last decade you'd know how stupid what you just wrote is.
Phil_t98
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then what's the fucking point of discs then?
at least with downloads you get to digital share games so me and my friend can play the same game at the same time. huge advantage of downloads vs physical
With discs you get to physically share games with your friends, all without having to jump through hoops to either get around the barriers put in place to prevent game sharing (something that will be more rigorous enforced as time goes on, given Xbox's chasing of the subscribers service model), and without the need for the risks of password sharing.
But more broadly physical media mostly still has all the same advantages as it's always had. You actually own the game, and can install it on as many devices and share it with as many people as you like, you can resell it once you're done if you don't want to keep it, you can keep it and continue to access it even after the consoles servers inevitably shut down, and you can never have access to it taken away should the game be delisted or your account be banned.
The only real problem these days is the fact so many games ship in a broken state or with only a download unlock actually on the disc, but even then, this is primarily an issue with AAA and the initial runs of games, with many later revisions of popular titles coming with updates added in.
There's also far, far better deals on physical games than digital ever gets, from store sales combining with vouchers, stock clearances and good old second hand sales, you can easily save significantly with physical games if you pay attention, even at launch.
With digital you pay a premium and give away all your rights for the convenience of not having to go to the shops or search online for bargains. Unless the publisher has deliberately hobbled the disc or cartridge release, physical is flat out superior in ever other way and always will be.
DonDonDonPata
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over the last year, I've sold off a decent number of physical games, mostly on PS4 and Switch. I've made back at least two thousand bucks, maybe a bit more. The games weren't bought with the intention of making money or scalping; they were all games that I wanted to get and either didn't enjoy or finished up and have no intention of replaying. Certain "limited print" games got me well over $100 each. Overall, I'm still in the hole for my gaming hobby. I'm not "gaming for free", it's not like I've made more money than I've spent. But I'm downright shocked by how much money I've recovered by selling stuff off secondhand.
My Xbros will preach the virtues of saving money with Game Pass but won't credit the value of selling a physical disc to an eager buyer.
Phil_t98
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yeah sharing of the game but you cannot play it while it is in your friends. I get your point about having the disc in years to come but storage is getting so cheap these days that we can store enough games on HDD they are that cheap. also the same problem will happen with physics games that will happen with downloads is that servers shut down your stuck with a broken version of a game that won't be updated because of servers shut down. in terms of broken games and I will swap console for this (ps5) Spiderman 2 was so glitchy on day one its untrue. I had a lot of crashes back to dashboard and lots of graphical glitches to. when the servers are shut down (long time to come yet obvs) I am stuck with a broken game I cant update.
I have never really resold any games if am honest so I get that from your point of view, I have a big collection of old games back to the ones era. just not my thing to resell
while I agree xbox may get tighter with game sharing at some point but at the minute its a viable option. me and my friend always look at this time of year at what games we are getting so we don't buy the same game and can both play the games. works well for us.
Grisham
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