[XOR]

The new feature is "Frame Generation (again)"? I will stick with my 4070ti Super. It's only a year old and has been running things fine. I am not going to buy into the marketing jargon that 5070=4090.

Whats good is the new transformer model will work with 2000 3000 and 4000.

Digital foundry said it greatly diminishes shimmering on ground while on performance mode. That was my main beef with performance the floor shimmer in some games and areas.

 

[Zefah]

3 fake frames for each real frame is kind of insane. I think frame generation already gives kind of a floaty feel in many instances, so imagine it will be way worse with this new mode.

 

[regawdless]

 

[regawdless]

3 fake frames for each real frame is kind of insane. I think frame generation already gives kind of a floaty feel in many instances, so imagine it will be way worse with this new mode.

Yeah I'm definitely worried about the input lag. From the Digital Foundry video, doesn't seem bad with 57ms at 4x frame generation. But that's Cyberpunk and a carefully selected preview build.

I guess I'll see for myself with the 5080.

 

[Bullet Club]

Now show me Frame Gen 4x on the Switch 2.

 

[Kadayi]

Annoying Voiceman got some Facetime with the 5090

 

[regawdless]

Now show me Frame Gen 4x on the Switch 2.

8fps base
Added frame gen X4
A healthy 32fps output capped at 30fps

Input lag from hell.

 

[Kadayi]

He makes a good point, and I must admit. If I were on a 4080, I wouldn't upgrade to a 5080, given the uptick in specs, which isn't that notable outside of AI. Especially given that much of the rendering software will also be available for older-generation cards. The 5090 is notably a big step up against the 4090, but largely, that is down to the massive step up in AI Performance over its predecessor, not so much the case with the 5080.

If you are on a 4xxx outside of a 4090 and specifically have an interest in AI Image/Video rendering then you probably could hold out for 6000 series or see what the inevitable 5080Ti card is like down the road. If you are on a 3xxx card though, probably worth a punt.

 

[Kadayi]

1 man 42 GPUs

 

[XOR]

Yeah I'm definitely worried about the input lag. From the Digital Foundry video, doesn't seem bad with 57ms at 4x frame generation. But that's Cyberpunk and a carefully selected preview build.

I guess I'll see for myself with the 5080.

57ms is likely due to starting fps. In the video it started wirh 50ms before frame gen. 1 frame added 5ms and adding more frames only added 2ms more. Total 7ms. If you start from higher fps total latency can be 30ms or maybe less.

 

[regawdless]

He makes a good point, and I must admit. If I were on a 4080, I wouldn't upgrade to a 5080, given the uptick in specs, which isn't that notable outside of AI. Especially given that much of the rendering software will also be available for older-generation cards. The 5090 is notably a big step up against the 4090, but largely, that is down to the massive step up in AI Performance over its predecessor, not so much the case with the 5080.

If you are on a 4xxx outside of a 4090 and specifically have an interest in AI Image/Video rendering then you probably could hold out for 6000 series or see what the inevitable 5080Ti card is like down the road. If you are on a 3xxx card though, probably worth a punt.

It's pretty clear that the 4090 remains a beast and a 5080 won't reach that performance, outside of x4 frame gen fuckery. Which might be valid in a few games tbh.

I'm curious if there's an improvement in pure RT performance. Because rasterized games aren't an issue already with a 4080. Hell, my 3080 is still doing well. Heavy RT features are the biggest challenge.

 

[Kadayi]

It's pretty clear that the 4090 remains a beast and a 5080 won't reach that performance, outside of x4 frame gen fuckery. Which might be valid in a few games tbh.

I'm curious if there's an improvement in pure RT performance. Because rasterized games aren't an issue already with a 4080. Hell, my 3080 is still doing well. Heavy RT features are the biggest challenge.

Honestly, it's never been something I've worried about tbh. Sure I like my bells and whistles on as much as possible over resolution, but RT isn't exactly something I'm 'Oh Boy!!' about. It's more a nice to have versus a need to have. Still maybe if I pick up a 5080 or 5070Ti later in the year I'll think differently.

 

[regawdless]

 

[Zefah]

Lol... 20 fps without upscaling is something they chose to show for their flagship card?

 

[Bonfires Down]

This is starting to feel like Dragon Ball power levels or something.

 

[regawdless]

Lol... 20 fps without upscaling is something they chose to show for their flagship card?

Just to show how extremely heavy all those effects are. I think it's a fine showcase.

But.... How many games will actually make use of all that shit and still feel good.

 

[regawdless]

Core performance, the 5080 apparently being only like 11% faster than the 4080, not impressive at all.

This will be a very underwhelming GPU gen, only the 5090 will provide a significant increase... For a more or less linear price to performance ratio.

 

[regawdless]

Ok, so this exchange just happened on X

 

[VFX_Veteran]

Kind of interesting that DF were given a 5080 to play with versus a 5090. Deffo feels like Nvidia is pimping the 5080 as the main Gaming Consumer Card with the 5090 being more for the Professional end of the market. Price tag on that bad boy isn't going to dissuade my AI bros though as they want that 32 GB for AI model Video output.

Of course not! I'll be there with my cash in hand on Jan 30th.

 

[VFX_Veteran]

Yeah I'm definitely worried about the input lag. From the Digital Foundry video, doesn't seem bad with 57ms at 4x frame generation. But that's Cyberpunk and a carefully selected preview build.

I guess I'll see for myself with the 5080.

Supposedly the lag will be negligible. Guys on beyond3d are discussing it now.

 

[Zefah]

Supposedly the lag will be negligible. Guys on beyond3d are discussing it now.

I guess the input lag will always be close to whatever the base frame rate regardless if you 2x or 4x it with fake AI-generated frames.

 

[Kadayi]

Of course not! I'll be there with my cash in hand on Jan 30th.

Yeah, but didn't you say you are going to log the card as a business expense? A legit move for sure if you're using your rig for work (I put 40% of all my PC Parts cost down as expenses), but not something most gamers are doing, and $2K isn't chickenfeed for most people.

 

[regawdless]

 

[regawdless]

 

[McHuj]

Is it a worse/cheaper cooler for the 5080 FE? I want a 5080 with the best cooler.

 

[regawdless]

Is it a worse/cheaper cooler for the 5080 FE? I want a 5080 with the best cooler.

Only the 5090 needs this special solution because of the extreme power demands. Doesn't affect the 5080.

 

[regawdless]

I was only joking btw. I'll buy the 5090.

I need to look down at the console peasants from as high above as possible to keep the path tracing supremacy going.

 

[Kadayi]

I was only joking btw. I'll buy the 5090.

I need to look down at the console peasants from as high above as possible to keep the path tracing supremacy going.

To be fair if you have the cash go for it. If you are going from a 3090 or 3080 I think it's a justifiable upgrade, and honestly makes a lot more sense versus getting the 5080, which honestly seems to be the most gimped model due to it shipping with only 16GB of RAM (the same as the 5070Ti) versus 24. I anticipate Nvidia will announce a 5080Ti or 5080 Super towards the end of 2025 with the full 24, as they typically announce those sorts of refreshes 8-10 months down the line.

 

[regawdless]

To be fair if you have the cash go for it. If you are going from a 3090 or 3080 I think it's a justifiable upgrade, and honestly makes a lot more sense versus getting the 5080, which honestly seems to be the most gimped model due to it shipping with only 16GB of RAM (the same as the 5070Ti) versus 24. I anticipate Nvidia will announce a 5080Ti or 5080 Super towards the end of 2025 with the full 24, as they typically announce those sorts of refreshes 8-10 months down the line.

From how things are going, 5090 will easily carry me for at least four years with crazy visuals. The 5080 doesn't seem like that huge of an upgrade from a 3080, especially not with the 3080 also getting improved DLSS and Ray Reconstruction.

 

[Joe T.]

From how things are going, 5090 will easily carry me for at least four years with crazy visuals. The 5080 doesn't seem like that huge of an upgrade from a 3080, especially not with the 3080 also getting improved DLSS and Ray Reconstruction.

6090 will undoubtedly be a bigger jump gen over gen with the new process node, you think you'll want to skip it?

 

[regawdless]

6090 will undoubtedly be a bigger jump gen over gen with the new process node, you think you'll want to skip it?

Let's see. Seems like resell value of the xx90 cards is pretty good.

 

[Kadayi]

From how things are going, 5090 will easily carry me for at least four years with crazy visuals. The 5080 doesn't seem like that huge of an upgrade from a 3080, especially not with the 3080 also getting improved DLSS and Ray Reconstruction.

Agreed. I was thinking of a 5080 given the less than expected pricepoint, but increasingly I think I might settle for a 5070Ti, that way I'm getting the best in class for that card from the off, or just save up and hold out for the 5080 Ti/Super. Tempting as it would be to fork out for a 5090 I anticipate given the size of the thing that would likely entail getting a new case (and PSU for sure) and all that rigmarole just doesn't appeal at this moment in time.

 

[regawdless]

Agreed. I was thinking of a 5080 given the less than expected pricepoint, but increasingly I think I might settle for a 5070Ti, that way I'm getting the best in class for that card from the off, or just save up and hold out for the 5080 Ti/Super. Tempting as it would be to fork out for a 5090 I anticipate given the size of the thing that would likely entail getting a new case (and PSU for sure) and all that rigmarole just doesn't appeal at this moment in time.

Yeah, going for a 5080 or 5070ti and using the "saved" money for a badass CPU & RAM would make a lot of sense for many people for example.

At some point, my 13600k will show its age. You're never fully out of the upgrade cycle lol.

 

[Zefah]

I suspect it will end up being a better idea to find a "deal" on a 4090, but most other people are probably also thinking the same way, to the likelihood of an amazing deal will probably be small, especially if the 4090 still manages to beat out the 5080 in some areas.

 

[regawdless]

I suspect it will end up being a better idea to find a "deal" on a 4090, but most other people are probably also thinking the same way, to the likelihood of an amazing deal will probably be small, especially if the 4090 still manages to beat out the 5080 in some areas.

The 4090 will beat the 5080 in all areas except if you add frame gen fuckery.

4090 vs 5080

Pipelines / CUDA cores	16384	10752
Core clock speed	2235 MHz	2295 MHz
Boost clock speed	2520 MHz	2617 MHz
Number of transistors	76,300 million	no data
Manufacturing process technology	5 nm	4 nm
Power consumption (TDP)	450 Watt	360 Watt
Texture fill rate	1,290	879.3
Floating-point processing power	82.58 TFLOPS	56.28 TFLOPS
ROPs	176	128
TMUs	512	336
Tensor Cores	512	336
Ray Tracing Cores	128	84

Memory type	GDDR6X	GDDR7
Maximum RAM amount	24 GB	16 GB
Memory bus width	384 Bit	256 Bit
Memory clock speed	1313 MHz	2366 MHz
Memory bandwidth	1.01 TB/s	960.0 GB/s

 

[Dacon]

Yeah....outside of the improvements to DLSS and RTX Mega Geometry there isnt much for me here. This gen seems like mostly just a software update.

That Neural faces shit looks terrible.

 

[Kadayi]

I suspect it will end up being a better idea to find a "deal" on a 4090, but most other people are probably also thinking the same way, to the likelihood of an amazing deal will probably be small, especially if the 4090 still manages to beat out the 5080 in some areas.

Good luck with that. 4090 is the still going to be heavy demand by AI enthusiasts because the 24 GB of RAM is kind of a must-have for getting the most out of the latest AI Image Models. I anticipate the Pricepoint on the 4090 will still be quite high, until Nvidia ship some 24GB 5080Ti/Supers.

 

[regawdless]

FSR "research project" does NOT look like PSSR, looks really good according to Alex, who's usually very critical. Very promising, finally catching up to DLSS 3.5! No ray tracing on though, where often issues occur, so a lot can still go wrong.

 

[Dacon]

AI tards mucking shit up for the rest of us? No way.

At least it's not as bad as the height of the bitcoin wars I guess.

 

[regawdless]

Very positive impressions for the 5070 vs the 4090. IF using frame gen and implemented well.

However, Nvidia also stressed that Marvel Rivals is an outlier here, and in most games, the two GPUs are level in terms of performance (as long as they support multi frame gen) – it's just that Marvel Rivals responds particularly well to frame generation.

In action, I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the two systems, and I played the game for several minutes on both of them. Whatever magic Nvidia has worked with multi frame gen (and we'll be able to talk more about that at a later date), it works surprisingly well, at least in this title. The game was smooth and responsive, and I couldn't see any notable glitches on the RTX 5070 system. This $549 GPU can genuinely offer a 4090-level experience in a game that's well optimized for it.

And therein lies the catch. If a game doesn't support multi frame gen, then the RTX 4090 will be significantly faster than the RTX 5070, as the underlying GPU has so much more raw horsepower. It also has twice as much VRAM available, with the RTX 5070's meager 12GB locking it out of some of the high settings you can enable on the RTX 4090 at 4K, even if you enable frame gen.

I just tested the Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070, and yes it can beat the RTX 4090, but there's a big catch

It's RTX 5070 vs 4090, and the new $549 gaming GPU beats the former flagship graphics card in Marvel Rivals, but with a big catch.

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