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Hello and welcome everyone!

Welcome to the place where we can discuss all our favorite tabletop hobbies. Dungeons and Dragons, Warhammer, Scythe, Dominion whatever you enjoy. Share pictures of your models, your games, what you are looking forward to or even LFP if you want to play with your fellow D-PAD members.

RPGs

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If you are the kind of person who enjoys partying up, fighting monsters, looting gold, completing quests and interacting with you environment then the classics such as Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder, FATE and Shadowrun are the games for you. These are all pen and paper games where people sit around the table and play with or without a board. The best place to encounter other players is either via all the different sub-reddits or the Roll20 website. Dungeons and Dragons is effectively the Warhammer 40k of tabletop RPGs currently but thanks to Roll20 you can find other games as well.

Roll20 specifically is a great place to play RPG games online. You can play using Discord and use the Roll20 website as a virtual table, where you can share character sheets, dungeon layouts, play music, roll dice, write journals etc.

Dungeons and Dragons and Pathfinder are basically the same thing. Party of adventurers go on quests or whatever the DM/players decide, interact with the environments and npcs (weather, hunger, thirst, random encounters, story/random npcs etc.) and fight all kinds of monsters, villains. It really is about the imagination of the players and the DM unless you are playing a module or a scenario (both official and unofficial). There is an official lore and all official modules work around it but you can easily just use the rules and make basically anything out of it, even sci-fi games.

If you want to read some funny stories then I would recommend the RPG Horror Stories sub-reddit. The 5th Edition D&D sub-reddit has worthwhile discussions on it about the game, people discuss class synergies, build strategies etc. Then of course there are plenty of sites that provide all the necessary tools to play the game, like D&D Beyond and other less reputable sites which I cannot mention here.

FATE is a bit special in that it doesn't have any lore, it is basically a rule set which you can use to play anything. My group used it to play all kinds of games, high-fantasy, Starship Troopers, NieR and others.

Shadowrun is an old classic pen and paper cyber-punk RPG. I have no idea in what kind of state it is in now, but it used to be THE game when I was a kid next to D&D.

Other than that the obvious best way to play RPGs is old-school with people around the table, there is simply no proper substitute for direct social interaction with actual dice rolling across the table.


Wargaming

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When it comes to wargaming there really isn't much of a choice at the moment. There are dozens upon dozens of games that tried to eat a piece of the wargaming pie like Flames of War or Firestorm Armada but eventually they all died off and anybody who wants to play the classic tabletop Wargaming has to play either Warhammer 40k or to a much lesser extent X-wing, Infinity and Age of Sigmar. The last three are played regularly in most gaming clubs so you shouldn't have any issue finding other players. Every other game out there also has a community but it is very tiny in comparison and getting any kind of game regularly in them is much more difficult (Blood Bowl, Battlefleet Gothic, Star Wars Armada or the aforementioned Flames of War and Firestorm games). A few games are becoming more popular now but I have very limited knowledge when it comes to them, games like Star Wars Legion and I also saw some Lord of the Rings players recently.

Warhammer 40k is a futuristic combat game featuring many different aesthetic styles (diesel, steam, renaissance, cyber punk and many others) where you collect, paint and build your army to face another player on generally large tabletop with terrain features, lots of special rules and hundreds of dice. It is quite a complex game and not very newbie friendly thanks to the extremely elitist attitude of most players, but if you can get a friendly player to teach you all the systems, faction specifics and traits, unit interactions etc. then you will have a good time. Be warned though, it is a hobby that has been evolving for over 30 years now, the amount of content, especially contradictory, is staggering, no two people will give you even a similar opinion on the game and definitely not on the lore which is just a total mess. Best way to get into the game is by ignoring the lore, just have someone teach you how the game works and you can worry about all the nonsense later, otherwise your head will explode one minute into a lecture from a "veteran". The games can also be quite long, with standard tournament format being 2000 pts, which can takes professional players about 3 hours to complete, newbies playing 2000 pts game would probably take them more like 6+ (I have seen people play a 500 pts game for 4 hours and they didn't even finish it).

Best place to get info about Warhammer 40k is the Warhammer competitive sub-reddit. Here people ask actual questions and don't just post awkward memes and "hey look, my first ever mini" shit. Honestly the only Warhammer sub-reddit that isn't completely idiotic from my experience. Here you can ask whatever about the actual game and you will get actual, proper, articulated response from inteligent or at least semi-inteligent people (as much as any Warhammer player can be intelligent anyway). Warhammer Community is a lot more corporate but has all the news about products. Just stay away from Youtube shrills, most of them are completely insane and/or pretentious as hell, buy the rules and codex books if you want to know lore and absorb it naturally. Black library is a huge mess, some books are ok, most of them are garbage. Don't expect any quality literature.

Star Wars X-wing is a fine and simple skirmish game between a few ships (minimum of two) on a small table. Very easy to get into and quite enjoyable. Definitely not as popular as Warhammer 40k and arguably not as enjoyable, which would explain the lesser popularity, nevertheless, the game is insanely accessible which is one of its most attractive features. No need to assemble or paint anything, you just pop a few ships on the table and move them around using templates, roll a few dice (as opposed to dozens upon dozens in a single shooting in Warhammer) and declare victory in less than an hour.

Infinity is a sci-fi tabletop game with miniatures similar to Warhammer but focusing more on black-ops and other clandestine-ops between a small number of figures. The game focuses on actions like suppressive fire, counter attacks, giving orders, stealth, etc. The lore is pretty decent, basically futuristic Earth with mega-corporations and organizations trying to maintain or usurp power. The factions are varied and the gameplay is different enough to feel fresh to other wargamers.

Age of Sigmar is a thing. Basically a re-make of fantasy Warhammer that is somewhat popular but doesn't come even close to 40k. The people just aren't into it as much. The lore and models are pretty generic and there really isn't much to draw more people in. Most are just waiting for the return of the old Fantasy Warhammer. Practically though it is similar to 40k, you collect, paint and fight with fantasy armies on a large table.


Tabletop

Here lie all the other tabletop games like Pandemic, Dominion, Scythe, Arkham Horror, Caverna etc. The best place to learn more about these games is on the website https://boardgamegeek.com/ here you got all the news, upcoming releases, current top games, forums, reviews, marketplace and everything you will ever need. If you are looking for a high quality reviewer then I recommend the Youtube channel The Dice Tower. When I worked at a board game retail store I got most of my news and quick-looks at games from The Dice Tower, this allowed to me to stay always one step ahead of my coworkers and thanks to that I always had the highest sale numbers (the downside was that the boss always wanted me in the store for holidays).
 
I am just watching dudes on YouTube painting Warhammer minis.

Fuck, them got mad skills. I painted a bit in the early nineties and thought I did okay, but these people and their techniques are on a completely different level.
Kind of relaxing watching them, but no way in hell I am gonna spend that much time on a little mini, lol.
 
I am just watching dudes on YouTube painting Warhammer minis.

Fuck, them got mad skills. I painted a bit in the early nineties and thought I did okay, but these people and their techniques are on a completely different level.
Kind of relaxing watching them, but no way in hell I am gonna spend that much time on a little mini, lol.
I think this guy has the maddest skills I have ever seen

 
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All right, so I updated the OP a bit. Hope it looks better now.
I strongly disagree with your take on 40K.

The game itself is a mess of different editions and uneven support.

By comparison the Lore at least has a broad narrative thread that's been mostly consistent since the early 90's, with a wide range of genres and tones that cater to most every taste.

The only real barrier to entry there is the sheer volume of material available, but there's a huge number of excellent lore channels on YouTube that will give anyone a free way to find the kind of approach to the lore they will enjoy.

The miniatures themselves are probably the easiest way to get into the universe though. You can pick up a few of any faction for a pittance off ebay, grab a cheap set of paints and brushes, and practice with them for until you want to start something proper, all for maybe 20 quid.
 
I strongly disagree with your take on 40K.
Well, yeah, that was my whole point, everybody disagrees with everyone regarding their take on Warhammer. I personally would never recommend a newcomer to start with Youtube. Vast, if not all, talk about Warhammer like it is their sacred cow that must not be touched and how "grim" and "dark" and cool it is how everybody just dies a terrible death in two seconds and how the Emperor is awesome and then sprinkle a bit of casual racism etc. nah, that really ain't my cup of tea. The Warhammer community is one of the most immature I know. I generally had very bad experiences with people, be it on Youtube, Reddit or real life. A few people that I met that were chill were professional players who grew out of their "I am special" phase.
For newbies it is really best to just take it slow and absorb it from somewhat objective sources like the rule book or codexes , not regurgitated by man-children on Youtube like Arch.

There is a reason why people post things like this unironically
But like I said, everyone has their own opinion about Warhammer, best is to start without someone else telling you what to think so just read the most basic official material and slowly go from there.
 
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Well, yeah, that was my whole point, everybody disagrees with everyone regarding their take on Warhammer. I personally would never recommend a newcomer to start with Youtube. Vast, if not all, talk about Warhammer like it is their sacred cow that must not be touched and how "grim" and "dark" and cool it is how everybody just dies a terrible death in two seconds and how the Emperor is awesome and then sprinkle a bit of casual racism etc. nah, that really ain't my cup of tea. The Warhammer community is one of the most immature I know. I generally had very bad experiences with people, be it on Youtube, Reddit or real life. A few people that I met that were chill were professional players who grew out of their "I am special" phase.
For newbies it is really best to just take it slow and absorb it from somewhat objective sources like the rule book or codexes , not regurgitated by man-children on Youtube like Arch.

There is a reason why people post things like this unironically

But like I said, everyone has their own opinion about Warhammer, best is to start without someone else telling you what to think so just read the most basic official material and slowly go from there.
Sure, there are loads of negative Nancy's, but like you say, there's as many people who think the Grim Derp stuff is over played and see the hope and optimism in the setting that is there, as well as the fundamental silly fun.

For every Arch, there is a Baldermort:
 
Sure, there are loads of negative Nancy's, but like you say, there's as many people who think the Grim Derp stuff is over played and see the hope and optimism in the setting that is there, as well as the fundamental silly fun.

For every Arch, there is a Baldermort:

I get you, mate. I just believe reading it/experiencing it for yourself is the best way to learn.
 
Since when is Warhammer 40k "diesel-punk"??? 40k's much older than that particular sub-genre. Also: there is no 40k canon, everything is someones opinion.
 
Since when is Warhammer 40k "diesel-punk"??? 40k's much older than that particular sub-genre.
Doesn't matter if it is older, all "alternate history WW2" is retroactively called diesel-punk. Warhammer 40k has all the themes of diesel-punk. Loud, dirty, bulky, ww1/2 tech combined with future tech, metal, no plastics etc. I honestly can't think of better example of diesel-punk than Warhammer 40k. Sentinels are like the embodiment of diesel-punk.

Also: there is no 40k canon, everything is someones opinion.

Yeah, pretty much.
 
Since when is Warhammer 40k "diesel-punk"??? 40k's much older than that particular sub-genre. Also: there is no 40k canon, everything is someones opinion.

Doesn't matter if it is older, all "alternate history WW2" is retroactively called diesel-punk. Warhammer 40k has all the themes of diesel-punk. Loud, dirty, bulky, ww1/2 tech combined with future tech, metal, no plastics etc. I honestly can't think of better example of diesel-punk than Warhammer 40k. Sentinels are like the embodiment of diesel-punk.



Yeah, pretty much.
Arguably the Imperial Guard and Orks are Diesel Punk, but the Eldar, with their psychically grown living crystal wraithbone constructs, Mecha piloting Tau, Davinchi inspired Mechanicus, Biomechnical Giger esque Tyranids, and the living metal and energy crystal bodied, Egyptian Terminators that are the Necrons aren't.

Even Space Marines are just as much monastic Knights in space as they are a mixture of early 20th century and ultra future tech, and Primaris Marines went full on tacticool until recently.

EDIT: Knights, Titans and the Custodes are also not Diesel-Punk. If anything you could argue Renaissance-Punk with them.
 
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Warhammer 40k has all the themes of diesel-punk. Loud, dirty, bulky, ww1/2 tech combined with future tech, metal, no plastics etc. I honestly can't think of better example of diesel-punk than Warhammer 40k.
Armaplas is made of plastics (and metal), plus there's plenty of xenos such as the Tau who are not fitting into any of these categories. You're right that the Imperium ticks a lot of those boxes, but 40k is not only the imperial guard.
 
Arguably the Imperial Guard and Orks are Diesel Punk, but the Eldar, with their psychically grown living crystal wraithbone constructs, Mecha piloting Tau, Davinchi inspired Mechanicus, Biomechnical Giger esque Tyranids, and the living metal and energy crystal bodied, Egyptian Terminators that are the Necrons aren't.

Even Space Marines are just as much monastic Knights in space as they are a mixture of early 20th century and ultra future tech, and Primaris Marines went full on tacticool until recently.

EDIT: Knights, Titans and the Custodes are also not Diesel-Punk. If anything you could argue Renaissance-Punk with them.

Armaplas is made of plastics (and metal), plus there's plenty of xenos such as the Tau who are not fitting into any of these categories. You're right that the Imperium ticks a lot of those boxes, but 40k is not only the imperial guard.
Yeah it is a mix, but in general the aesthetics are mostly diesel-punk. And knights, titans are definitely diesel-punk, they aren't running on steam. Renaissance punk is like the Blood Angels.

But I agree that not the WHOLE of Warhammer 40k is diesel punk so I will remove it from the ot if it bothers you.
 
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Yeah it is a mix, but in general the aesthetics are mostly diesel-punk. And knights, titans are definitely diesel-punk, they aren't running on steam. Renaissance punk is like the Blood Angels.

But I agree that not the WHOLE of Warhammer 40k is diesel punk so I will remove it from the ot if it bothers you.
Knights and Titans run on Plasma, not diesel. Those are made from Dark Age of Technology era Archeotech that no one even understands anymore by the 41st millennium.

The thing is, there are indeed lots of Diesel-Punk elements in 40K, but that's because it stole ideas from bloody everywhere at conception, and still does so today.

So yeah, you get the Death Korp of Krieg, who are 100% Diesel-Punk, but you also get rip offs, homages and themes of Cyberpunk, Japanese Mecha Anime, H R Geiger, Football Hooligans, Knights, Native Americans, Harlequins, Mad Max, Judge Dread, Aliens, Predator, Star Wars, The Spanish Inquisition, Gothic Architecture, Pre Revolutionary France, Spaniards, Margaret Thatcher, Count Dracular, Frankenstein, Egyptians, The Terminator, Conan The Barbarian, Dune, Jurassic Park, Doctor Who, Star Trek and basically everything else that has ever existed.
 
Knights and Titans run on Plasma, not diesel. Those are made from Dark Age of Technology era Archeotech that no one even understands anymore by the 41st millennium.

The thing is, there are indeed lots of Diesel-Punk elements in 40K, but that's because it stole ideas from bloody everywhere at conception, and still does so today.

So yeah, you get the Death Korp of Krieg, who are 100% Diesel-Punk, but you also get rip offs, homages and themes of Cyberpunk, Japanese Mecha Anime, H R Geiger, Football Hooligans, Knights, Native Americans, Harlequins, Mad Max, Judge Dread, Aliens, Predator, Star Wars, The Spanish Inquisition, Gothic Architecture, Pre Revolutionary France, Spaniards, Margaret Thatcher, Count Dracular, Frankenstein, Egyptians, The Terminator, Conan The Barbarian, Dune, Jurassic Park, Doctor Who, Star Trek and basically everything else that has ever existed.

A bit of nazi germany as well!

;)
 
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Well of course, but I meant the aesthetics. Massive, bulky, loud, chimneys on back etc. There is no diesel in 40k, just promethium or whatever it is called


Mah boys in green ?
I had to double check, and neither Knights nor Titans have chimneys on them. The closest would be the Imperator Titan, which has a gothic cathedral on its back.

Also I meant the Eldar Exodites, who are native American space elves that ride dinosaurs (so diesel-punk!).
 
So I got this huge project right now I am working now, something similar to what you are doing @Stilton Disco, its gonna be awesome. Already got most of the things assembled and I'll start painting over Easter and post some picks next week hopefully :D
 
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Double check again, I got knights, they all got chimneys.


Yes, sir.

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Knights have exhausts, sure, but they're certainly not chimneys. Titans just have vents.

Also the native American Dark Angels stuff has evolved ino an apocryphal tale about one of the many Dark Angel recruitment worlds falling to a Genestealer cult, meant to lay the foundation for their marines to eventually learn about the Fallen.

The Deathwing and Ravenwing now date back to the Great Crusade Era, along with the no longer used Ironwing, Dreadwing, Firewing and Stormwing, that made up the DA's Hexagrammaton in it's Legion organisation.

Outside of that very old bit of lore about a planet that now in lore probably didn't actually exist, they've been 100% european style monastic Knights since 3rd Edition.

EDIT: Reading that back though, I do now concede your point on the overly complicated and impenetrable nature of the lore for newcomers.
 
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Damn you, I was going to make a thread just for boardgames! @Threeshot those look really nice!!! I wish I could paint :( I tried and everything came out retarded looking. I am artistically challenged.
 
Damn you, I was going to make a thread just for boardgames! @Threeshot those look really nice!!! I wish I could paint :( I tried and everything came out retarded looking. I am artistically challenged.
Practice, watch/copy tutorial videos, and keep trying new techniques as you start to get comfortable with it.

And if you really just want to get some models painted to a playable standard, there's always the simple wash approach, most notably with Army Painter's Quickshades, that give decent results with just three steps.
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Practice, watch/copy tutorial videos, and keep trying new techniques as you start to get comfortable with it.

And if you really just want to get some models painted to a playable standard, there's always the simple wash approach, most notably with Army Painter's Quickshades, that give decent results with just three steps.
Yeah, the modern washes, inks and all kinds of shading colors make painting stupidly easy. I myself don't use them very much so it routinely takes me 8+ hours to paint a single model and the difference between one done in two hours with shades and mine with 8 isn't that great unless you go down and look at details, faces etc. but I wouldn't have it any other way, I am a perfectionist, I always want all of my models to look the best.
 
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Indeed, with washes and some tricks picked up in painting tutorials even I get decent looking models on the table, even though I'm still awful with painting eyes, but that's what helmets are for:

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Majority of what I currently have painted of my Sisters of the Order of the Crimson Lily:

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Including the all-mighty space pope right at the centre of course!
 
The paint jobs look great! I'm not into tabletop or pnp anymore, but we have a big collection of hobby/enthusiast boardgames that my wife and I have been building since we met over a decade ago. Recently got the kids into Taluva. The rules are very simple, putting this squarely in the category of "abstract strategy".

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The older two kids are also playing base Dominion while slowly moving into the expansions (now that they have a good enough reading level and a quick enough shuffle). They've also played Trains (deckbuilder + map) and Ascension (deckbuilding from a common center row) so I think this subgenre fits their interests.
 
Yeah, the modern washes, inks and all kinds of shading colors make painting stupidly easy. I myself don't use them very much so it routinely takes me 8+ hours to paint a single model and the difference between one done in two hours with shades and mine with 8 isn't that great unless you go down and look at details, faces etc. but I wouldn't have it any other way, I am a perfectionist, I always want all of my models to look the best.
You've got to post some pics now then.

Also I'm going to start properly having a stab at faces/eyes, so advice would be appreciated.
 
You've got to post some pics now then.

Also I'm going to start properly having a stab at faces/eyes, so advice would be appreciated.
Problem is that I can't take good photos :/ they always lose all the details. Your photos look excellent, what do you use and how?
 
Problem is that I can't take good photos :/ they always lose all the details. Your photos look excellent, what do you use and how?
Honestly just my phone and mostly natural light from a window or held up under a houselight. We do have those 'natural light' bulbs though.

I do try to make sure they're not being directly shone on by the light, and take the pictures from at least 30cm's/a foot away, and at about a 30-45 degree angle above them, then crop then pics.
 
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Honestly just my phone and mostly natural light from a window or held up under a houselight. We do have those 'natural light' bulbs though.

I do try to make sure they're not being directly shone on by the light, and take the pictures from at least 30cm's/a foot away, and at about a 30-45 degree angle above them, then crop then pics.
Ok, I'll try that. Probably my fault is trying to shoot from too short a distance. I'll experiment and if it comes out all right I'll post them here. I have some old photos on Facebook but I don't know how to share them outside of facebook.