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Rumors - PS5 slim?
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It would make sense to alter the form factor of the PS5 to make it smaller. Smaller PS5 means easier manufacturing, cheaper shipping, reduced cost to customer and the chance of double dipping. It adds free R+D, ready for the PS5pro.
I expect to follow suit within 12 months max. A slimline/redesigned XSX with no disc drive may help bump sales.
Why Microsoft or Sony haven't gone the route of the HD-DVD player and offered an external Blu-ray drive. We do it for SSD's, so why not Blu-ray drive?
I expect to follow suit within 12 months max. A slimline/redesigned XSX with no disc drive may help bump sales.
Why Microsoft or Sony haven't gone the route of the HD-DVD player and offered an external Blu-ray drive. We do it for SSD's, so why not Blu-ray drive?
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This is what is expected for PS5, a digital only version with an optional UHD BD-ROM drive.
This is what is expected for PS5, a digital only version with an optional UHD BD-ROM drive.
With how well it's selling at 500, that'll explode it to go down to 399. Consumers see the $3-- and their brain things oh shit it's cheap.
Same on my game team. No new HW SKUs (from any manufacturer) have been discussed internally yet. So if anything is coming it doesn't require a new devkit. A slim would fit that.
There's actually a price cut going on in France right now on the disc version. Sony had raised the MSRP by 50€ to 550€ because of inflation last year, but right now all retailers are selling the base disc version for 475€, a 75€ price cut.
Not sure how long the price cut will stay in effect but I'm guessing they're trying to clear inventory and make people think they're getting a "deal" this summer before they drop the price to 400€ for the slim, though it might require a disc drive add-on.
Not sure how long the price cut will stay in effect but I'm guessing they're trying to clear inventory and make people think they're getting a "deal" this summer before they drop the price to 400€ for the slim, though it might require a disc drive add-on.
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Made me curious about local pricing here in Canada. Best Buy and The Source currently have the disc-based Ragnarok bundle at a $60 CAD discount, but the standalone disc model is regular price - $20 CAD difference between the two so Ragnarok's being offered dirt cheap. Walmart has the digital version of PS5 bundled with Ragnarok available at $600 CAD or $450 US which is much cheaper than the standalone console ($653 CAD). They seem desperate to offload the Ragnarok bundles.
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I'd be pleasantly surprised if Sony keeps the slim at $400. Given their, "Fuck you, pay me," mentality on hardware so far this gen I expected $500 with the bullshit excuse of miniaturizing the console making it more expensive.
Keep in mind that you might have to shell out extra for a disc drive according to rumors.
Seeing that the prices of the components don't decrease over time like they did for previous generations, I'm curious if they can reduce the price on a slim model.
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they have already cut back on a lot of components in the regular PS5, if you look at the original design and the latest version they cut back on a fair bit and the motherboard is much smaller
Form factor, sure. But seeing how they had a PS5 price increase like a year ago, and taking into account how prices of components didn't decrease much since then (at least from what I see at work), I think it'll be challenging to lower the price for a slim model.
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yeah they increased the price but there are less materials in the PS5 than before, not saying they making loads of profit on them but its certainly cheaper to produce now
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There was that rumour about the model that has a bolt on disc drive…..I don't see it being as cheap as the series s though as Sonys pricing has been all over the shop so far on their hardware and accessories
Or it might just be the same price…but smaller
Modders have been able to eliminate most of the large heatsinks and liquid cooling and revert it back to other thermal materials to get a similar result to the standard in terms of cooling
Or it might just be the same price…but smaller
Modders have been able to eliminate most of the large heatsinks and liquid cooling and revert it back to other thermal materials to get a similar result to the standard in terms of cooling
I'm rather confident this is not the case and that the current PS5 has higher production costs than some years ago. I'm dealing with that shit at work, component availability and prices are a constant challenge. We have components that did cost $5 two years ago and are now costing $180. Or other components simply not being available anymore in the quantities we need. Both things forcing us to do re-designs on a somewhat regular basis for us to even be able to produce products. Using newer and smaller parts, but at higher costs. A few component prices got back to normal, but the majority did not and production costs did increase a lot, even for old and weak devices. Also keep in mind the increased energy and transportation prices as well as general inflation, all adding up.
Xbox for example just increased their price for Series X consoles in some regions like in the UK, as well as increasing the prices for their subscription services. All because of the general cost situation that applies to Sony as well.
It's possible of course that Sony found a way to use cheaper parts for a PS5 Slim and did a significant re-design to get down to 399. Which would be a great achievement in this business environment. I'm cheering for them, just curious how they'd be doing it because of the above mentioned situation.
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YouTuber's Teardown Of New PS5 Posits It's Cheaper Despite Price Increase
The 1200-model PS5 appears to have a smaller motherboard, lighter heatsink, and more
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YouTuber's Teardown Of New PS5 Posits It's Cheaper Despite Price Increase
The 1200-model PS5 appears to have a smaller motherboard, lighter heatsink, and more
I read the article and clicked on the link to the source of the claim of it being likely cheaper. That's just a tech dude saying "almost certainly cheaper" on Twitter without any additional information. No component prices, nothing. Simply because they made the parts smaller and more efficient. Which does not say anything about prices. He's a tech dude, not someone who negotiates purchasing agreements and contracts with suppliers. He doesn't seem to know, it's just a statement without anything backing it up on his part. Times have changed radically in the last 3 years.
You can take his simple three word statement without any actual arguments or analysis for granted, or my daily business experience and the many reasons I stated above including energy costs and such. Your decision what's more convincing
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right, I don't know the Sony contracts of course. It's just my educated guess and I'm open for counter arguments because I'm very interested in this topic. But your link doesn't provide anything of value regarding cost savings. As I mentioned above, we did many re-designs as well with other components for the same reasons Sony did, and the devices now cost more than they did before.
And even in the very unlikely case that the parts themselves are now actually cheaper. All the other costs are way higher nowadays and would most likely offset the savings in the end.
If they managed to actually lower the overall costs, mad respect, incredible job.
Again that's just regarding the current PS5 model. Looking forward to the potential announcement of a PS5 Slim. If they are able to offer it at 399, total boss move by Sony.
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I read the article and clicked on the link to the source of the claim of it being likely cheaper. That's just a tech dude saying "almost certainly cheaper" on Twitter without any additional information. No component prices, nothing. Simply because they made the parts smaller and more efficient. Which does not say anything about prices. He's a tech dude, not someone who negotiates purchasing agreements and contracts with suppliers. He doesn't seem to know, it's just a statement without anything backing it up on his part. Times have changed radically in the last 3 years.
You can take his simple three word statement without any actual arguments or analysis for granted, or my daily business experience and the many reasons I stated above including energy costs and such. Your decision what's more convincing
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right, I don't know the Sony contracts of course. It's just my educated guess and I'm open for counter arguments because I'm very interested in this topic. But your link doesn't provide anything of value regarding cost savings. As I mentioned above, we did many re-designs as well with other components for the same reasons Sony did, and the devices now cost more than they did before.
And even in the very unlikely case that the parts themselves are now actually cheaper. All the other costs are way higher nowadays and would most likely offset the savings in the end.
If they managed to actually lower the overall costs, mad respect, incredible job.
Again that's just regarding the current PS5 model. Looking forward to the potential announcement of a PS5 Slim. If they are able to offer it at 399, total boss move by Sony.
a smaller redesigned ps5 mother board with less on there a smaller heat sync defiantly is cheaper to produce. if it wasn't why would they bother changing the design just seems logical
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I think what he means is that yes the new design is cheaper to produce today compared to the old design if they tried to produce it today, but the new design can still be as costly to produce today as the old design was when they produced it 3 years ago.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my previos explanations. What you're saying was true up until COVID started. During the pandemic, electrical component availability got crushed with many companies closing because they weren't able to produce anymore. New, smaller, less complex parts do NOT automatically mean cheaper price tags anymore.
Prices skyrocketed to insane levels. I'm working at one of the biggest companies in the world and as I've said a dumb chip that initially cost us 5$ now costs $180, forcing us to switch to another model and do a re-design. That new component is a less capable budget version but still costs more than the initial part.
Other components simply aren't available anymore, especially older chips. Chip producers focussed on the components that make them the most money and abandoned the production of cheap mass market chips in way too many cases. You see it in the car industry for example, many cars ship without extra features because they aren't available. People get new cars from their companies like every three years and the ones they now receive have way less functionality than their previous ones. The car manufacturers even use place holders, saying they'll add the parts when they're available in a year or two. Due to the very limited availability of components, it became rather common that you order your car and then have to wait like 1.5 years until you receive it.
Again, we had to do another run of re-designs because we weren't able to produce anymore because the components weren't available. The last three years were re-design after re-design, because of insane cost explosions or availability issues. With the new components being more expensive in most cases, no matter their complexity. Also, inflation, energy prices, increased transportation prices, everything got more expensive.
Depending on what chips, capacitors, PCBs etc. you need, overall product costs easily increased 15 - 30% last year alone. Sony with all of their power and market position might've been able to combat that increase to some degree. But getting cheaper in this environment isn't something anyone should assume just like that.
If a slim is 400 it's probably because it'll be digital-only, easiest way to make up the difference.
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Think this is definitely the way to go. Though I do think hitting a sub 400 price would be the sweet spot for a Slim revision.
If the rumoured disc drive is real, that would also pair well with a hardware revision. Essentially pass that cost onto the consumer rather than having to create another 2 SKUs.
The PS5 I've been waiting for , just please don't just make it a miniaturized version of the PS5 that looks goofy . Oh and make it Black .
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