Thread: "Racism when it suits my agenda" - Final Fantasy 16's Yoshida and Youtuber Rev about Black Characters in Fiction

Should voice-actors match the skin color of the characters they voice?


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Unless you've been sleeping under a stone, you know about Resetera's current attempt to paint FF16 as racist, because Square Enix producer Yoshida said in an interview that there apparently wouldn't be black characters in the game due to the pseudo-historical accuracy of the game being set in a fantasy medieval Europe. There are brown people in the game, just not stark black ones. In this thread, Resetera even is supporting an insane video that claims FF16 sets back black people by 60 years. The repeated argument of Resetera crazies is that "if you can have magic and dragons, then you can have black people". Which is on one hand true. On the other hands, there's NO OBLIGATION to have black people. Furthermore, I find it pretty offensive to put black people in the same category as fantasy-elements, but what do I know.

Then half an hour ago, I'm watching Rev's latest video and it's once again about the topic of voice-acting. You can watch the video below. Basically, there are people, even from the dubbing industry themselves, that claim only black voice-actors should be allowed to dub black fictional characters. Which is absolutely insane. I vividly remember how 10-15 years ago, calling a voice a "black voice" would get you insta-banned on NeoGAF, because "there is no black voice, black people don't talk differently from anyone else, you're pushing stereotypes!!1". This whole voice-acting drama is so obviously hypocritical and actually problematic, because not only can anyone act any race as long as the acting is good; there's also different SPECIES that are voice-acted by, gasp, humans. Entire dubbing industries would go out of business if that insane requirement became a rule. The German voice-actor of Samuel L. Jackson is the whitest man, and he's doing a fantastic job. Then, as Rev points out, these same nutjobs NEVER complain about white voice-actors dubbing ASIAN characters. It's only ever an issue with black characters. The agenda couldn't be more transparent.



I'm also remembered of the utterly insane Resetera-Thread made by the hilarious user "neoxon". You can read it here. He's calling Smash Bros. Ultimate, Sakurai and Nintendo racist for not having more black characters as playable fighters. During the entire debate in that thread, the actual key issues is not only being ignored, but anyone mentioning it got permabanned: Smash Bros. is a reflection of the industry. When there are no big, popular games with black lead characters, then there can be none in Smash Bros (plus the games needed to be on a Nintendo platform, too). It's insane how these people want totally lame, tertiary characters for Smash only for their skin color.And they're ignoring that Smash Bros. is super diverse beyond skin color: What other franchise got that many diverse characters that aren't even limited to being humans? Complete dismissed. :/

I'm making this thread to have an on-going place to discuss the hypocrisy and call out bs of the woke crowd when it comes to black characters in fiction. Apparently we cannot just have good games. Apparently developers aren't allowed to make the games they want anymore. And apparently voice-actors should be segregated by their race, which is totally not racist /s. And these same people entirely ignored Taion from Xenoblade 3, probably the best black character of the last decade.
 
Hire the best qualified actors for the job. Simple as that. Race, skin colour and nationality are irrelevant when the actors themselves are not even seen 95% of the time. I can see in actual films and whatnot to try and keep things authentic in a sense, but in voice acting for anime and games?

C'mon son.
 
It wasn't that long ago Japan told us who they were

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The death of freedom, happening right before our eyes.
Doubt it. On the web, every freak and warped individual in every corner of the planet can have his or her say. It just so happens that ResetEra is where scum aggregates. Threads discussing their viewpoints aren't even warranted, Facts should've left this in Clown World. If some soyboy were to have walked up to and your friend while you were discussing FFXVI irl and said, "Yeah FFXVI is really racist, I mean, no black NPCs at all?" What would happen? You would bert stare him, and he would walk away like the mentally ill pariah he is. That's it. That's really all there is to it
 
Doubt it. On the web, every freak and warped individual in every corner of the planet can have his or her say. It just so happens that ResetEra is where scum aggregates. Threads discussing their viewpoints aren't even warranted, Facts should've left this in Clown World. If some soyboy were to have walked up to and your friend while you were discussing FFXVI irl and said, "Yeah FFXVI is really racist, I mean, no black NPCs at all?" What would happen? You would bert stare him, and he would walk away like the mentally ill pariah he is. That's it. That's really all there is to it

This is, as usual, a false assumption. Unfortunately, Resetera and its associate media (Polygon, Kotaku, Eurogamer, etc) are influential enough to cause real censorship and oppression of creative freedom. People like you taking it lightly are the reason why the authoritarians keep winning. We must push back vehemently, at least verbally.
 
This is, as usual, a false assumption. Unfortunately, Resetera and its associate media (Polygon, Kotaku, Eurogamer, etc) are influential enough to cause real censorship and oppression of creative freedom. People like you taking it lightly are the reason why the authoritarians keep winning. We must push back vehemently, at least verbally.
Keep crying. I'll turn my cheek to the mentally ill and pray for them, I wont indulge in their world like you. Why don't you suit up like a man and pursue a career in law if you want to fight left. Your fat ass sitting in a chair complaining on video game websites does nothing. You could make a YouTube video and have a speech more powerful than anything Adolf Hitler ever spoke to an audience, and how many people would you reach with your following? You're wasting your time and walking in circles
 
Keep crying. I'll turn my cheek to the mentally ill and pray for them, I wont indulge in their world like you. Why don't you suit up like a man and pursue a career in law if you want to fight left. Your fat ass sitting in a chair complaining on video game websites does nothing. You could make a YouTube video and have a speech more powerful than anything Adolf Hitler ever spoke to an audience, and how many people would you reach with your following? You're wasting your time and walking in circles

Your in-fighting is why they keep winning. Instead of at least opposing THEM verbally, you push back against me, who's on your side. Pathetic.
 
Your in-fighting is why they keep winning. Instead of at least opposing THEM verbally, you push back against me, who's on your side. Pathetic.
There is no fight to be had. You're delusional, and think that the libtards living rent free in your head are an enemy... If anything, they're a small annoyance that will wilt in time, quicker than you think, and die off. Why not try to enjoy your life and live for once, instead of rotting away constantly crying over the latest blue-haired landwhale troon bitch to screech over a damn video game?
 
There is no fight to be had. You're delusional, and think that the libtards living rent free in your head are an enemy... If anything, they're a small annoyance that will wilt in time, quicker than you think, and die off. Why not try to enjoy your life and live for once, instead of rotting away constantly crying over the latest blue-haired landwhale troon bitch to screech over a damn video game?

You still false-believe that the authoritarians only live on some forums. This is wrong. They have long actual influence on the industry. And I cannot enjoy my life when they ruin what I love.
 
You still false-believe that the authoritarians only live on some forums. This is wrong. They have long actual influence on the industry. And I cannot enjoy my life when they ruin what I love.
They exist and are out there, sure. But sane, rational thinking individuals do not partake in their little world of make believe. They're essentially deranged man-children, and you willing dedicate your time to listen to them. You go ahead and enjoy that kind of life bud.. I think I'll pass...

It's like trying to reason with a bitch, you're going nowhere by giving these kinds of people the time of day. Maybe one day you'll understand what I'm saying here and recognize the pattern. But for now, since you obviously love games and cannot see what your actions are doing to you, I'll just tell it to you straight that you are fucking up big time bro. Get off that bullshit and just game. There's no need to get worked up over useless media of any kind. This is obvious
 
I agree with Franky. If your life is so deeply affected by the online bubble you're in you'd be better served doing something about it instead of pissing and moaning on a niche forum where everyone already agrees with the OP and you're just getting a tiny amount of validation.

That validation, no matter how little, gets overwritten when you go too far and people tell you to chill because you let it consume your life. Believe me, if you stepped out of if this bubble and into the real world for a while you'd gain a new perspective. What affects you so deeply is a storm in a teacup, and there is so much more to life than cherry picked arguments that give WAY too much credibility to nut jobs that don't deserve it.

So really, you have two choices:
  1. Work towards making a difference to something other than your own feeling of acceptance and validation
  2. Letitgo.gif
Remind yourself that Hogwarts made a billion dollars and stop going on Reeeee. Your life will improve from those two things alone.
 
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You still false-believe that the authoritarians only live on some forums. This is wrong. They have long actual influence on the industry. And I cannot enjoy my life when they ruin what I love.

I'm not sure if this is some weird euro-troll tactic I don't understand or you're 100% legit in what you're saying. If you're being real, what exactly is it that's been ruined that causes you to no longer enjoy life?
 
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Then don't buy their product. Or buy it, I guess, if the company is doing what you like. That's the easiest way to make your stance known. You don't even have to tell us where you draw that line or lie to us like REEEEsetera users playing Cyberpunk 2077 and Hogwarts on the sly. We won't tell. Just back up your convictions with actions that match your strong convictions.
 
Considering the glut of representation in modern media and how 60% of Netflix stars woman, FF16 is actually in the minority with its cast.
 
Westerners of Reera trying to force their standards onto an Eastern company is classic progressive cultural colonialism.

See? If I want to I can make anything problematic too!

Reera is a community that thrives on misery. They went fishing for it with Cyberpunk and Hogwarts and they took massive a Ls.
They keep going after their Moby Dick, only to find out too late, that the dick has been chopped off and Moby demands to be called Mary from now on.
Yet the terf nazi bigots refuse to stop their hunting and genociding.

SpongeBob should only be voiced by a sponge.
My little ponies should only be voiced by a (little) pony.

Fuck off.
 
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