[The_Mike]

Dude stfu, talking like you know me or anything for that matter. "I can still run it on low", yeah because that's why people buy enthusiast class GPUs and game on PC, to run shit on low.

Well it depending on the game really.

Hogwarts on medium, she can actually run Diablo 4 on high. Mind you, she is playing 1080p which allows more headroom for settings.

I was just stating you were spreading the typical misinformation about pc gaming that you have to buy a new GPU every few years.

Only a super minority does that. Hell if my GPU still worked as it should, I guarantee you it would still blow a pro out. Then again, Im rocking 1440p on a 27" vs 4k,which would be heavily diminished on a 27 monitor.
Which would leave better textures higher framerate etc.

how long have you been PC gaming?

I left PC gaming on purpose for the ease and better cost ratio of console gaming, and that was in the early 2010s when things had peaked.

I shake my head reading PCMR comments because it is so easy to see it's a former 360 player who got their first PC rig in the rising days of Steam.

Been a PC gamer mainly throughout my life.

I am 36 years old.

In the nineties you had to upgrade GPU relatively often, as the technology progressed alot.

But since the focus development is on consoles then it has haulted heavily.

Yes, gpus are still being released, but the different between 20xx 30xx isn't worth upgrading and I would even argue that it's worth upgrading from a 20xx to a 40xx.

Sure, a 4070 is around 100 percent faster than a 2070s, but it's nothing but showing off as its really not needed unless you have a very old GPU like a 970.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Been a PC gamer mainly throughout my life.

I am 36 years old.

In the nineties you had to upgrade GPU relatively often, as the technology progressed alot.

But since the focus development is on consoles then it has haulted heavily.

Yes, gpus are still being released, but the different between 20xx 30xx isn't worth upgrading and I would even argue that it's worth upgrading from a 20xx to a 40xx.

Sure, a 4070 is around 100 percent faster than a 2070s, but it's nothing but showing off as its really not needed unless you have a very old GPU like a 970.

back in the 90s and through the 00s you had PC exclusives which actually used that power. Now PCs just run console games better than consoles. I'd argue the "frequent upgrades" of the 90s was partially because standards hadn't been ironed out, so if you bet wrong on a Voodoo card you were gonna upgrade later.

 

[The_Mike]

back in the 90s and through the 00s you had PC exclusives which actually used that power. Now PCs just run console games better than consoles. I'd argue the "frequent upgrades" of the 90s was partially because standards hadn't been ironed out, so if you bet wrong on a Voodoo card you were gonna upgrade later.

Yes but the times changed, which you agree on, making it misinformation that you still need to upgrade pretty often to being able to play.

A high end GPU can easily outlive a ps5 and a ps5 pro without problems.

I was pointing out that hes plain wrong by saying you have to upgrade your GPU pretty often.

That's a thing hurried decades ago, but console players still spread that, probably because they don't know anything about the current pc market and want to justify their purchase.

I don't care either way. Play and what you want, just don't say stuff that ain't true.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Yes but the times changed, which you agree on, making it misinformation that you still need to upgrade pretty often to being able to play.

A high end GPU can easily outlive a ps5 and a ps5 pro without problems.

I was pointing out that hes plain wrong by saying you have to upgrade your GPU pretty often.

That's a thing hurried decades ago, but console players still spread that, probably because they don't know anything about the current pc market and want to justify their purchase.

I don't care either way. Play and what you want, just don't say stuff that ain't true.

gpus aren't the only thing PC players upgrade throughout the lifecycle of the rig but I'll let him make his own point if that's not what he meant. Does your longlasting 970 rig have a mobo from 10 years ago? RAM from 10 years ago? A CPU from 10 years ago? Because it's artificial to say "oh but my GPU is older than the PS4, therefore disproves you have to upgrade" if those parts received an upgrade.

 

[The_Mike]

gpus aren't the only thing PC players upgrade throughout the lifecycle of the rig but I'll let him make his own point if that's not what he meant. Does your longlasting 970 rig have a mobo from 10 years ago? RAM from 10 years ago? A CPU from 10 years ago? Because it's artificial to say "oh but my GPU is older than the PS4, therefore disproves you have to upgrade" if those parts received an upgrade.

Yup, everything is from back then, never upgraded once.

 

[prag16]

Yup, everything is from back then, never upgraded once.

I'm on a 10600k/3070 at this point, but what you're saying is definitely doable. I was rocking a 2550k/970 combo FAR beyond the point of being scoffed at by the PCMR types.

 

[tillbot8]

Seems redundent to me, only a few games this generation has actually been developed with PS5 architecture solely in mind. I had a 4 pro but this really gives me no interest. Perhaps it is going to catapult development to use the PS5 as the baseline. Still a pretty crappy reason to justify a refresh imo :/

 

[ExpandKong]

I don't know what 30 WGP means and i don't really care to look it up. They were still making cross gen games until like two months ago or something ridiculous, so I'm not gonna be too bothered to skip a mid gen hardware tweak.

 

[Phil_t98]

All I know is if they did, people would cheer saying its worth paying for quality.

we have seen it first hand in the other place, when xbox did free series X upgrades how they were being stupid in not charging because sony were its pure madness.

they said the quality of patches wouldn't be as good and would be rushed because they were free

 

[Boss Mog]

Well it depending on the game really.

Hogwarts on medium, she can actually run Diablo 4 on high. Mind you, she is playing 1080p which allows more headroom for settings.

I was just stating you were spreading the typical misinformation about pc gaming that you have to buy a new GPU every few years.

Only a super minority does that. Hell if my GPU still worked as it should, I guarantee you it would still blow a pro out. Then again, Im rocking 1440p on a 27" vs 4k,which would be heavily diminished on a 27 monitor.
Which would leave better textures higher framerate etc.

Originally you got a 970 and a 2070, those are enthusiast class GPUs ; my guess is that you bought enthusiast class because you wanted good graphics and performance, otherwise you could've gone with a 50 or 60 class. So i guess it does matter to you. Sure if you play the same old games or newer games that aren't demanding you can keep the GPU longer, but if you want to play the latest demanding games at good settings with good performance you will have to upgrade every 3-5 years, that's just the way it works and I promise you that most PC gamers who buy enthusiast class GPUs do just that.

I've had a GTX 1080 for the last 6 years (the longest I've ever had a GPU) because of mining and covid jacking up the prices, plus I'm mostly unimpressed with rasterization gains over the last couple of gens. Because of this I don't really game much on PC these days, the PS5 is way better than a GTX 1080, but it's still not perfect as evidenced by FF16 which can rarely hit the 60fps target in performance mode. So I would gladly buy a PS5 Pro that would remedy the situation. I had upgraded to the PS4 Pro in 2016 and I was extremely happy with the upgrade and so I would gladly do it again.

I posted a poll on GAF (i picked GAF instead of here because it would have a bigger number of responses to get a better idea): https://www.neogaf.com/threads/long...ts-how-often-do-you-upgrade-your-gpu.1659107/

I know it's still early but so far your "super minority" theory isn't really panning out. Every 3-5 is dominating hard.

 

[Grinchy]

I don't know what 30 WGP means and i don't really care to look it up.

this whole thread feels like

 

[Arkam]

this whole thread feels like

I would assume its Workgroup Processor. Its how AMD counts compute units. 1 WGP = 2 Compute units. There is some gain by having them 'together' but that is above my knowledge.

So a 30WPG GPU would have 60CU. PS4 has 36CU and XSX has 52CU.

 

[Tyguy]

As @Boss Mog already touched on, devs already implement "natural" scaling into their games. One thing are the framerates, another thing are dynamic resolutions. We'll see a cleaner image quality because the resolution won't drop to 40% anymore for example.

Also, some games have the option for uncapped framerates, which will see a huge boost from a Pro model. But you're still right, in many cases, patches will be needed to see a significant improvement in visual fidelity.

You really only have a few games. One I know off the top of my head is hogwarts legacy allowing you to uncap frame rate. A lot of games still just have a performance mode and a graphic mode stuck at 30.

Ideally you are going to want the graphic mode, but uncapped. Most games don't have that option.

 

[regawdless]

You really only have a few games. One I know off the top of my head is hogwarts legacy allowing you to uncap frame rate. A lot of games still just have a performance mode and a graphic mode stuck at 30.

Ideally you are going to want the graphic mode, but uncapped. Most games don't have that option.

True. Offering a PS5 Pro uncapped patch shouldn't be much work though, let's see. Insomniac already added it to Spider-Man btw.

There are also games that offer a 120hz mode, like Atomic Heart, Doom Eternal or GoW Ragnarok, curious how much of an improvement we'll get on the CPU front with the Pro, maybe it'll make these modes better.

Of course that's not the main use case, patches with visual upgrades are required to make it worth the investment.

 

[Tyguy]

True. Offering a PS5 Pro uncapped patch shouldn't be much work though, let's see. Insomniac already added it to Spider-Man btw.

There are also games that offer a 120hz mode, like Atomic Heart, Doom Eternal or GoW Ragnarok, curious how much of an improvement we'll get on the CPU front with the Pro, maybe it'll make these modes better.

Of course that's not the main use case, patches with visual upgrades are required to make it worth the investment.

Yeah, which is really the point I was trying to make. It's not like a pc where all games benefit because the user has so much control. Consoles are still very much locked down and you just have to hope you have more devs like insomniac that actually give you these great options.

You still have new games though that both don't have an uncapped option or even a 120 hz option. I'm looking directly at final fantasy 16 with a performance mode with no 120 hz option which is pretty inexcusable at this point in my opinion.