[zebraStraw]

Everyone is taking 5 years to make something these days. Nintendo is making some dang advanced games for the hardware they have.

Though they also took 5 years to make skyward sword, so it's not necessarily a technical issue to take so long.

Yeah, but the other companies are making much more technically advanced games than Nintendo.

I think you are vastly underselling the technical prowess of Nintendo's internal development teams. Just because Nintendo rolls with less powerful hardware doesn't mean they lack the talent to make something as visually impressive as Horizon Forbidden West or Ratchet and Clank. There's a lot of talk about AAA game budgets soaring, and Nintendo generally manages their game budgets extremely well. That said, this is the same company that made Super Mario Sunshine when most video game water was flat and had pixelated daylight reflections. lol Same thing with Wind Waker -- they did cel shading so well it looked like an actual cartoon. They make games that look impossible given the hardware, but I feel like the challenge and the goal has changed for them where they're no longer driven to produce visuals that need to surpass the competitors because they no longer operate on hardware that compares -- still, BotW is a showcase in every way imaginable (although they toned down the visuals a lot with future patches) and still does things visually that I don't see elsewhere.

I think that Nintendo does visuals with a purpose. In Wind Waker, there's a lot of draw distance showcasing because they chose an ocean sailing theme where you need to be able to see things from afar. In BotW, rain makes puddles and pools in low lying areas that enable you to use cryo, and metallic objects spark and pop when lightning is in the area. It's a different mindset towards a visual showcase. By contrast, Forbidden West still has to have unnatural climbing grips and steps where you are able to climb -- it's very out of place but necessary for something so photo-realistic...

Speaking of water, Wave Race 64.

I'm not talking about game design, just that simply making Switch level games is taking them 5 years. Everyone always talks that the more advanced the games become, the longer they take. If Nintendo does another leap you're probably not going to be getting too many games. Whatever they do come out with though, people will complain about the hardware and wish for a pro in the first 8 months again.

Yes, BOTW is much better than other western AAA games.

 

[FactsAreDead]

So how well could a hypothetical Xenoblade X Definitive Edition, Xenoblade 2 Definitive Edition running on 3s engine and Xenoblade X-2 look on this?

Ditto next mainline Mario, Metroid Prime 4, Dragon Quest XII, ect.

Why would Xenoblade X Switch run on XB3's engine? XBX looks better.

 

[Chozofication]

@zebraStraw Nintendo makes less advanced games on less advanced hardware, ya don't say.

 

[zebraStraw]

@zebraStraw Nintendo makes less advanced games on less advanced hardware, ya don't say.

And that takes them 5 years to do so, after they had to merge handheld with console. How bad will it be when they try to make ps4 pro level of fidelity games?

 

[Chozofication]

And that takes them 5 years to do so, after they had to merge handheld with console. How bad will it be when they try to make ps4 pro level of fidelity games?

All their games take 5 years? Lotta bs here.

Again dood, If skyward sword took 5 years, shouldn't tears of a kingdom take 10? Course not because it doesn't work like that.

 

[zebraStraw]

All their games take 5 years? Lotta bs here.

Splatoon 2 -> 3 : 5 years
BOTW - > whatever: 6 years
Mario Odyssey -> ???: 5+ years
Xenoblade 2 -> XC3: 5 years
Three Houses -> now: 3+ years

Prime 4 has taken how many years? Kart and Smash are usually 1 per system, so...?

I will say the Kirby team doesn't seem to have a problem.

 

[Chozofication]

Splatoon 2 -> 3 : 5 years
BOTW - > whatever: 6 years
Mario Odyssey -> ???: 5+ years
Xenoblade 2 -> XC3: 5 years
Three Houses -> now: 3+ years

Prime 4 has taken how many years? Kart and Smash are usually 1 per system, so...?

I will say the Kirby team doesn't seem to have a problem.

Ok but Odyssey came out launch year. And looked and ran great, if anything it shows Nintendo's tech chops.

I kinda think they're taking longer because stuff keeps selling to no end, so why rush to make new? Not defending that, it's just the way it is.

Prime 4 is Dev hell, first made by bandai and not Nintendo. cdpr and other go through it to and Witcher 2 and 3 were top tier tech pieces on release.

Though in my case the more games they hold back to release on switch 2 the better.

 

[zebraStraw]

Ok but Odyssey came out launch year. And looked and ran great, if anything it shows Nintendo's tech chops.

I kinda think they're taking longer because stuff keeps selling to no end, so why rush to make new? Not defending that, it's just the way it is.

Prime 4 is Dev hell, first made by bandai and not Nintendo. cdpr and other go through it to and Witcher 2 and 3 were top tier tech pieces on release.

Though in my case the more games they hold back to release on switch 2 the better.

I'm curious to see if they are holding anything back yet. New mario perhaps. Splatoon 3 gets content for the next 2 years right? Maybe they'll do crossgen.

 

[Chozofication]

I'm curious to see if they are holding anything back yet. New mario perhaps. Splatoon 3 gets content for the next 2 years right? Maybe they'll do crossgen.

I really hope so, I just want new hardware.

Nintendo hasn't really done cross gen, except a few times like with Zelda. Unless you count the 1000 Wii u to switch ports lol.

Nintendo makes a lot better margins on their hw sales vs the others, so I would think they wouldn't like cross gen as much because they want the new platform to sell as fast as possible.

 

[DESTROYA]

Really hope whatever powers the next Switch is backwards compatible with the OG Switch cartridges, would be awesome to revisit some older games and run them at a higher res at 60FPS + it needs the OLED screen standard/

 

[Chozofication]

Really hope whatever powers the next Switch is backwards compatible with the OG Switch cartridges, would be awesome to revisit some older games and run them at a higher res at 60FPS + it needs the OLED screen standard/

BC is pretty much a guarantee but running games faster I'm not so sure... Nintendo has always just ran bc games exactly the same on Wii/Wii u for GC/Wii bc.

Would love for Nintendo to patch old games to run and look better but uh, they're pretty greedy so wouldn't hold my breath

 

[zebraStraw]

BC is pretty much a guarantee but running games faster I'm not so sure... Nintendo has always just ran bc games exactly the same on Wii/Wii u for GC/Wii bc.

Would love for Nintendo to patch old games to run and look better but uh, they're pretty greedy so wouldn't hold my breath

BOTW DX.

 

[DESTROYA]

BC is pretty much a guarantee but running games faster I'm not so sure... Nintendo has always just ran bc games exactly the same on Wii/Wii u for GC/Wii bc.

Would love for Nintendo to patch old games to run and look better but uh, they're pretty greedy so wouldn't hold my breath

Well this new SOC is rumored to have around 4Tflops of power and comparable to a PS4 so I would think it would easily just brute force better performance . Not expecting a game made to run 30FPS automatically jump to 60FPS just have more stable performance for games that dip below what they were intended to do and have less frame dips and a higher consistent FPS

 

[Optimus]

Yeah, but the other companies are making much more technically advanced games than Nintendo.

Speaking of water, Wave Race 64.

I'm not talking about game design, just that simply making Switch level games is taking them 5 years. Everyone always talks that the more advanced the games become, the longer they take. If Nintendo does another leap you're probably not going to be getting too many games. Whatever they do come out with though, people will complain about the hardware and wish for a pro in the first 8 months again.

Yes, BOTW is much better than other western AAA games.

It's been taking companies 5 years to make a game since PS360, though. Everyone talked about the jump to HD being so hard on developers, etc. As the sandbox worlds have gotten larger, it seems like it's taking 5 years for any game to release unless it's an annual release type of thing like COD.

I agree to some extent that it's total bullshit that Nintendo doesn't have more games to release right now. There's no way it should have taken them this long to make a follow up to BotW. There's no way they don't have a new Mario game ready. There are many things that are just not adding up, and COVID is the excuse that keeps on providing cover. I don't even think it's about "Switch level games" as much as Nintendo is just weird. It can take the 3 years to decide what direction they're going with a game. Most of BotW was built in a 2 year span but it took them the first 3 years to figure out what they were even doing....

Sounds bad, but that's basically why Valve quit making video games, especially Half-life games.

 

[Zeta Dragoon]

Why would Xenoblade X Switch run on XB3's engine? XBX looks better.

Late edit. I was saying 2 on 3s engine. Tutorials, UI for both 2 and X could use a complete overhaul akin to 1 DE and 3.

 

[FactsAreDead]

Late edit. I was saying 2 on 3s engine. Tutorials, UI for both 2 and X could use a complete overhaul akin to 1 DE and 3.

"Late edit" hours later. Dude, I hope you're not pro-abortion.

 

[Zeta Dragoon]

"Late edit" hours later. Dude, I hope you're not pro-abortion.

I edited minutes after posting to clear up my wording.

"Hours later" is me responding to you now.

Yes, I wonder what 2 running on 3s engine would be like.

X Definitive Edition would likely be a much more vast scale project then 1 DE due to its mind boggling size. Then I see people talk about how much of the game especially stuff about Cross was gutted in favor of the MMO online aspects which sounds like many gigantic missed opportunities.

Have to wonder if Monolith would want to go back to X for a Definitive Edition and do X-2 or if they want a different approach for a new Xeno game. Or maybe something different, maybe Baten Kaitos which I hear actually has possible ties to Xenoblade, the Golden Sun IP which is just sitting there, rotting. Or dare I dream

Spoiler: Spoilers

of Monolith Soft doing a Xenoblade/Dragon Quest XI sized Legend of Zelda RPG?

2 is recent, but could still use something akin to 1 DE. UI and tutorials are absolute mess. Same with X.

 

[Chozofication]

Well this new SOC is rumored to have around 4Tflops of power and comparable to a PS4 so I would think it would easily just brute force better performance . Not expecting a game made to run 30FPS automatically jump to 60FPS just have more stable performance for games that dip below what they were intended to do and have less frame dips and a higher consistent FPS

Yeah, hopefully it can do that. Like how ps5 bc works. Nintendo might be fearful of bugs/compatibility issues with that method but it would be great if it happens.

It proooobably won't be 4 Tera flops...

But it really doesn't need to be to have better than ps4 performance and amazing looking games.

 

[cryptoadam]

They gotta finish Mario Kart DLC before the next system. Its launching with MK 4K.

They might also finish Splatoon 3 DLC, but that could be resold as a "Deluxe" version with expansion DLC and "4K" resolution.

 

[zebraStraw]

I edited minutes after posting to clear up my wording.

"Hours later" is me responding to you now.

Yes, I wonder what 2 running on 3s engine would be like.

X Definitive Edition would likely be a much more vast scale project then 1 DE due to its mind boggling size. Then I see people talk about how much of the game especially stuff about Cross was gutted in favor of the MMO online aspects which sounds like many gigantic missed opportunities.

Have to wonder if Monolith would want to go back to X for a Definitive Edition and do X-2 or if they want a different approach for a new Xeno game. Or maybe something different, maybe Baten Kaitos which I hear actually has possible ties to Xenoblade, the Golden Sun IP which is just sitting there, rotting. Or dare I dream

Spoiler: Spoilers

of Monolith Soft doing a Xenoblade/Dragon Quest XI sized Legend of Zelda RPG?

2 is recent, but could still use something akin to 1 DE. UI and tutorials are absolute mess. Same with X.

I think 2, Torna, DE, and 3 are all using the same engine.

UI was fine in 2 IMO.

 

[Stilton Disco]

Yeah, hopefully it can do that. Like how ps5 bc works. Nintendo might be fearful of bugs/compatibility issues with that method but it would be great if it happens.

It proooobably won't be 4 Tera flops...

But it really doesn't need to be to have better than ps4 performance and amazing looking games.

Once again, current gen Tflops are not comparable to previous gen ones, let alone AMD vs Nvidea Tflops.

Much like how the SD and XSS outperform the PS4PRO and XOX in everything except resolution, this probable Switch 2 will run rings around the PS4, unless Nintendo completely bork it.

 

[Barnabot]

but will developers be able to make game that actually run on 1080p locked and maybe 60fps depending on the game this time?

I remember Xenoblade 2 mopping the floor with the Swicth with these subpar 720p in game graphics and it was a launch title.