[cryptoadam]

I just said in the HZFW thread that the game kinda of painted the future as fucked up stone age because its "diverse". Diversity got them people living like cavemen even though they are surrounded by amazing tech in living thinking animal robots walking around. And the most advanced person is white....

 

[regawdless]

Wonder if the PS5 Pro will follow the PS4 Pro and look like two OG PS5 consoles glued together.

Please Sony.

 

[regawdless]

On a more serious note though, thinking about what performance increase they are targeting.

The PS4 Pro more than doubled the Tflops compared to the base console, resulting in around 40% more gaming performance. With a 3 year gap, it should be possible again - the question is at what price.

 

[Stilton Disco]

On a more serious note though, thinking about what performance increase they are targeting.

The PS4 Pro more than doubled the Tflops compared to the base console, resulting in around 40% more gaming performance. With a 3 year gap, it should be possible again - the question is at what price.

The PS4Pro was roughly the same as the original PS4 launch price, with the new slim dropping at the same time a bit cheaper then the original.

Given the PS5 has seen a price increase, I'm expecting at least a 50 dollarpoundo increase, maybe more. I doubt they'd want to go above $500 though if they can possibly help it.

The real question I have is, will they have a discless and disc version again, drop the less popular discless version, or take the new approach of discless only and expect everyone to buy the same add on disc drive?

That could well mean it would end up $500 for the console and an extra $50-$100 on top to use discs.

 

[regawdless]

The PS4Pro was roughly the same as the original PS4 launch price, with the new slim dropping at the same time a bit cheaper then the original.

Given the PS5 has seen a price increase, I'm expecting at least a 50 dollarpoundo increase, maybe more. I doubt they'd want to go above $500 though if they can possibly help it.

The real question I have is, will they have a discless and disc version again, drop the less popular discless version, or rake rhe new approach of discless only and expect everyone to buy the same add on disc drive?

That could well mean it would end up $500 for the console and an extra $50-$100 on top to use discs.

I think the industry went so insane that everything is possible. Given the high demand and recent price increase, it'd be possible for the PS5 to stay at it's price. Just like 30xx GPUs didn't get cheaper since release.

Especially seeing the crazy new GPU prices, there's no need for consoles to get cheaper.
I think a Pro could even come in at 649.

If Xbox doesn't introduce a price drop for their Series consoles, that is.

 

[Night Sky]

It was too woke for me, having to save all the gay carja from the oppressive robos.....

I agree with everything you said. But its also boring as piss after you get out of the Daunt. Lame story, lame characters, repetitive gameplay, repetitive robot monsters, banal dialog, irritating protagonist. I made it maybe 20hrs and just walked away. Visually stunning. But it is far from a killer app for Gen 9.

It really was looking incredible in some spots for me. And I loved the gyro aiming.

But everything else about it was such a turn off to me. Same mechanics, same shitty Ubisoft map checklist game, but now with extra slices of woke. I'm starting to lose faith in Sony first party...

To all 3: H:FW is like OG Skyrim: The game isn't the game, the game is the world that you can walk around and explore and just enjoy time in. In my original playthrough of Skyrim on the 360, i spent about 10% of the time doing quests and the rest just walking around, fucking up deer and mooching about to cool music.

It doesn't take away the visual ability of the PS5. If the game isn't interesting or written well, that's not the fault of the console, which is what we're talking about ITT. Sony have been pushing generational boundaries with their games. Microsoft haven't and that's because they can't do due to having two consoles on sale

Wonder if the PS5 Pro will follow the PS4 Pro and look like two OG PS5 consoles glued together.

Please Sony.

It will be. The butterflying idea that Cerny used was the best/most efficient way of pushing out more power without fucking around with changing the internals. The X1X is a completely different console than the X1 and only has the CPU in common.

The other bonus of butterflying is that Sony can product 1 chip/wafer in bulk and use 1 for OG PS5 and 2 for PS5PRO. That offers a big saving when it comes to manufacturing and may even result in a decent entry price.

 

[Nobody]

I think the industry went so insane that everything is possible. Given the high demand and recent price increase, it'd be possible for the PS5 to stay at it's price. Just like 30xx GPUs didn't get cheaper since release.

Especially seeing the crazy new GPU prices, there's no need for consoles to get cheaper.
I think a Pro could even come in at 649.

If Xbox doesn't introduce a price drop for their Series consoles, that is.

Going by the prices Nvidia and AMD get away with for their GPUs if I was Sony or MS I would make a $800~$1000 premium console.

Just an RX 6900 XT that had slightly more than 20TF had an MSRP of $999.

 

[Stilton Disco]

Going by the prices Nvidia and AMD get away with for their GPUs if I was Sony or MS I would make a $800~$1000 premium console.

Just an RX 6900 XT that had slightly more than 20TF had an MSRP of $999.

I think people get blinded by the Flagship cards and performance demonstrations and forget that the actual number of people buying these insanely expensive cards are a niche of a niche of a niche of the overall gaming market, that even the customer base for the more expensive upgraded consoles dwarf.

Going by Steam's figures, there's more people currently playing with a 1050ti than the 3080, 3080 ti and 3090 combined, which is less than 3% of players, so probably less than 5 million actively being used for gaming worldwide.

I'm sure Nvidea are taking a lovely fat profit margin off those cards, but the bulk of their sales and revenue comes from the cheaper, weaker cards that barely make headlines, just as consoles do with their cheap and cheerful 'good enough' power to cost ratio's.

Don't get me wrong, I think there's every chance they'll raise prices, but looking at Nvidia's flagship cards as a way to make predictions is comparing apples to sports cars.

 

[Barnabot]

this is so stupid. also needless.

anyways her me out

both upcoming consoles will not feature disc.

plus: ps5 pro will not be backwards compatible with ps4.

all this BS nonsense of mine will proved to be correct by sony and ms.

 

[Optimus]

Count me out. I just want a smaller Ps5 to use for years after the console is discontinued for ps4 BC and such. PC has my power needs covered.

I got a Ps4 pro and the improvements were great on certain games but at the same time it's annoying for base ps4 owners because optimization suffered on their machine after pro came out. So the same will probably happen to base ps5 which will just hasten my transition to PC.

Thinking that this will give me the additional nudge to build a new PC. Bring on November 3rd so I can figure out what combination of parts I will be looking to buy. Will I mix brands (AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU) or seek to match?? Only time will tell...

 

[Nobody]

I think people get blinded by the Flagship cards and performance demonstrations and forget that the actual number of people buying these insanely expensive cards are a niche of a niche of a niche of the overall gaming market, that even the customer base for the more expensive upgraded consoles dwarf.

Going by Steam's figures, there's more people currently playing with a 1050ti than the 3080, 3080 ti and 3090 combined, which is less than 3% of players, so probably less than 5 million actively being used for gaming worldwide.

I'm sure Nvidea are taking a lovely fat profit margin off those cards, but the bulk of their sales and revenue comes from the cheaper, weaker cards that barely make headlines, just as consoles do with their cheap and cheerful 'good enough' power to cost ratio's.

Don't get me wrong, I think there's every chance they'll raise prices, but looking at Nvidia's flagship cards as a way to make predictions is comparing apples to sports cars.

5 million is still a lot of people and premium consoles like the PS4 Pro and Series X sold much less than the regular consoles.

There ridiculous expensive GPUs didn't even exist in the past, NVidia created that niche and pushed the market into the direction of people spending more on their GPUs (all that to play console ports that mid-range GPUs can easily handle well).

If I was a console manufacturer I would take the opportunity of a mid gen console to do the same, there is definitely an audience for expensive premium products. I would definitely focus on having a huge margin on the premium console while keeping the basic model as the value option.

 

[Stilton Disco]

5 million is still a lot of people and premium consoles like the PS4 Pro and Series X sold much less than the regular consoles.

There ridiculous expensive GPUs didn't even exist in the past, NVidia created that niche and pushed the market into the direction of people spending more on their GPUs (all that to play console ports that mid-range GPUs can easily handle well).

If I was a console manufacturer I would take the opportunity of a mid gen console to do the same, there is definitely an audience for expensive premium products. I would definitely focus on having a huge margin on the premium console while keeping the basic model as the value option.

OK, so it's a pain in the arse finding anything approaching exact numbers, because Sony didn't specify between the PS4, Slim and Pro, but they did on 2 occasions say the PS4Pro was 1 in 5 PS4 sales after release, which seemed to be consistent across multiple years.

The PS4 was at about 50M sold when the PS4Pro released, and somewhat above 110M when it was discontinued, so somewhere around 12M PS4Pro's were in customers hands.

So while not exactly huge sellers, they're still significantly more popular than high end GPU's are currently, and catering to an audience that likely far outnumber those that would spend even more for almost zero gain.