Thread: Male Inequality - beyond YouTube red pilling
Voted yes without watching the video. Gonna watch it out.
Edit: Turns out I already watched that video.
Edit: Turns out I already watched that video.
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Yep, no one gives a shit about men. In the corporate world I work in and at companies friends work at there are always pushes to hire more women even though there are often more women then men already. My buddies wife got a super high ranking management job last year. She was shocked they called her since there were tons of other people that would have been ahead of her for the job and she was still a long ways out from earning it. But the rest of the people in line for the job were men and there was a "more women in management" push.
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Jokes aside, the lamest thing a man can do is LARP as some hyper-real masculine archetype
There's nothing wrong with being a dude. In fact, it can and should still be embraced. People just often confuse what that means.
I spend the majority of my time working in the service department of a car dealership. 50 hours a week or more. When Im not doing that, I can be found in my local LA Fitness or gun range. I also enjoy sports quite a bit (NHL and NFL). Apart from that, I have no qualms obsessing over Buffy the Vampire Slayer, video games, and enjoying bubblebaths. Life, and being a man, is what you make it.
There's nothing wrong with being a dude. In fact, it can and should still be embraced. People just often confuse what that means.
I spend the majority of my time working in the service department of a car dealership. 50 hours a week or more. When Im not doing that, I can be found in my local LA Fitness or gun range. I also enjoy sports quite a bit (NHL and NFL). Apart from that, I have no qualms obsessing over Buffy the Vampire Slayer, video games, and enjoying bubblebaths. Life, and being a man, is what you make it.
Didn't watch the video, but the situation of our modern world is certainly bad for men and there are many challenges ahead. With that said, it's men themselves that need to stand up, answer these challenges, and overcome them. No one will fix them for us.
Male inequality is a problem.
The attitude to male inequality is a bigger problem.
The video in the OP is very good - thank you.
I've found the important thing is to understand my value and what I am good at. That's my societal and professional leverage and it benefits both me and those I interact with to make the most of those things.
So, I'll repeat here the response I've given when I've had job interviews in my life:
Interviewer: "What do you hope to get out of this job?"
Me: "To provide value and to feel valued."
I feel it's important to spend time working out what matters to you. We're all really good at rejecting things we don't want when presented a list. "Oh, I don't want to eat there, or there, or there", "Oh, I don't want to watch that, or that". We're far worse at being constructive and working out what we actually do want. If you've no goal then you can't work towards a goal - you tend to drift rather than drive. And nobody can do that bit for you. Once you've got a destination then you can start a journey with a sense of purpose.
Inequality is a fact of life and I choose to be an egalitarian. But simply complaining about injustices isn't a way to resolve them. Something that grievance culture has yet to learn.
The attitude to male inequality is a bigger problem.
The video in the OP is very good - thank you.
I've found the important thing is to understand my value and what I am good at. That's my societal and professional leverage and it benefits both me and those I interact with to make the most of those things.
So, I'll repeat here the response I've given when I've had job interviews in my life:
Interviewer: "What do you hope to get out of this job?"
Me: "To provide value and to feel valued."
I feel it's important to spend time working out what matters to you. We're all really good at rejecting things we don't want when presented a list. "Oh, I don't want to eat there, or there, or there", "Oh, I don't want to watch that, or that". We're far worse at being constructive and working out what we actually do want. If you've no goal then you can't work towards a goal - you tend to drift rather than drive. And nobody can do that bit for you. Once you've got a destination then you can start a journey with a sense of purpose.
Inequality is a fact of life and I choose to be an egalitarian. But simply complaining about injustices isn't a way to resolve them. Something that grievance culture has yet to learn.
It's interesting that this thread was created when it was.
I don't believe in protected groups. I don't believe in affirmative action. I think these take away far more than they give.
This morning I was thinking about this and I got to the bottom of why I feel that way:
They don't teach you the value of standing on your own two feet.
There is no shortage of benefits, movements, campaigns for groups that already have a bevvy of benefits, movements and campaigns. Their "national days" and "history months", the positive discrimination by society, big-tech and government legislation.
Yet all these groups persist in arguing that they are still held back. They need more benefits, movements and campaigns. If they only had a little more. Then it would be fair. Just more. A little more. A little bit more than that. More. More.
And they all like to point the finger and lay blame at a group that receives absolutely none of those benefits, movements and campaigns. That is actively maligned and dismissed - forgotten about unless there is blame that needs to be assigned.
And in spite of that inequality - one group flourishes where the others wither.
Those driven by identity politics and wallowing in grievance and envy will point to superficial qualities and fabricate tales of woe and injustice as the reason for such success.
Which is why they are mired in grievance and envy.
The successful group is the one that's learned to just get on and do what needs to be done.
As I've said elsewhere: If people genuinely want a better life for themselves, then all they have to do is make it.
I don't believe in protected groups. I don't believe in affirmative action. I think these take away far more than they give.
This morning I was thinking about this and I got to the bottom of why I feel that way:
They don't teach you the value of standing on your own two feet.
There is no shortage of benefits, movements, campaigns for groups that already have a bevvy of benefits, movements and campaigns. Their "national days" and "history months", the positive discrimination by society, big-tech and government legislation.
Yet all these groups persist in arguing that they are still held back. They need more benefits, movements and campaigns. If they only had a little more. Then it would be fair. Just more. A little more. A little bit more than that. More. More.
And they all like to point the finger and lay blame at a group that receives absolutely none of those benefits, movements and campaigns. That is actively maligned and dismissed - forgotten about unless there is blame that needs to be assigned.
And in spite of that inequality - one group flourishes where the others wither.
Those driven by identity politics and wallowing in grievance and envy will point to superficial qualities and fabricate tales of woe and injustice as the reason for such success.
Which is why they are mired in grievance and envy.
The successful group is the one that's learned to just get on and do what needs to be done.
As I've said elsewhere: If people genuinely want a better life for themselves, then all they have to do is make it.
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> correctly identifies many of the reasons why boys & men are doing badly in 2023.
> labels every single one of the root causes "a good thing".
Male inequality is not a problem. Faux female superiority is the problem. Trying to build a society on foundations which ignore biology is the problem.
> labels every single one of the root causes "a good thing".
Male inequality is not a problem. Faux female superiority is the problem. Trying to build a society on foundations which ignore biology is the problem.
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The "war on men" is largely fabricated by crafty grifters to take advantage of men's insecurities in order to sell them poorly edited self help books and disposable razors shaped like hand axes
Stouffers
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Man the fuck up. Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got. Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot. Wouldn't you like to get away? Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came. You wanna be where you can see our troubles are all the same. You wanna be where everybody knows your name.
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It is to my belief that the majority of people are far to engaged with social media. The moment you bloat its bs out is the moment you start realizing that internet hysteria and reality are very different. These social media addicts need engagement and making engaging content requires convincing people to believe a lie which is accomplished through manipulation of your emotions. That has been how the media keeps people engaged and buying products before the internet even started. I think thats what this really is if your having a bad time with women maybe your just hanging around the wrong crowd or making bad choices.
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The Health system I work was jerking itself off about its "diversity" this week in an email. They cited the fact that they employ nearly 80% women as evidence of this.
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I agree that roles appear to have been reversed, but I take exception to his reasoning (or lack thereof, in the video anyway) for it.
"I think it's a great irony of women's progress that by taking the brakes off women's educational opportunities and aspirations we've revealed the fact that the education system is slightly structured against boys and men because of these differences in the timing of their brain development."
He ignored the elephant in the room: the top-down, ESG-backed, "social justice" push that was/is used as a weapon to hold boys/men down. That's not irony, the system is working as intended by weakening the male population.
"Boys will be boys" turned into 'boys can't be boys.' Even grown men are scared shitless these days, too afraid of offending their government, employer and even their own friends/family. It's become so bad that anyone that does the bare minimum to push back against this system gets treated like a hero, NHL's Ivan Provorov being a recent example (Outkick).
I also question this author's respect for biology given his posting history these last few years:
"I think it's a great irony of women's progress that by taking the brakes off women's educational opportunities and aspirations we've revealed the fact that the education system is slightly structured against boys and men because of these differences in the timing of their brain development."
He ignored the elephant in the room: the top-down, ESG-backed, "social justice" push that was/is used as a weapon to hold boys/men down. That's not irony, the system is working as intended by weakening the male population.
"Boys will be boys" turned into 'boys can't be boys.' Even grown men are scared shitless these days, too afraid of offending their government, employer and even their own friends/family. It's become so bad that anyone that does the bare minimum to push back against this system gets treated like a hero, NHL's Ivan Provorov being a recent example (Outkick).
I also question this author's respect for biology given his posting history these last few years:
I'm guilty of that.
To be fair, I do believe the war on men is real. Feminism and it's more toxic version in intersectional feminism is societal cancer that must be destroyed.
Women are meant to be caretakers and to be put in place. Empathy destroys societies.
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Him being a left leaning writer actually lends credence to his take on the topic IMO. Most of the "war on men" stuff people are misconstruing his positions for in this thread comes from hard right sources.
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I say we redefine "man." "MAN" is a person who refuses to classify himself as a victim or the butt of some grand conspiracy. A man is a person who's above all that shit.. who sees it as the white noise it is and focuses on the important things in life. Be a fucking man. Retract the finger used to point at your "oppressors," and turn it into the clenched fist needed to punch your way to personal success and the betterment of your family.
It's not men, it's history. Men moaning about inequality comes off as weak and pathetic. The whole point of being a man is you have to deal with shit and not be thanked for it. Don't like it? Identify as a woman.
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Applies to adults as well or are we really even adults in this era considering how pampered modern society is? We all believe were oppressed in a way or form when 200 years ago everyone was oppressed and had to scrap by now we work with our nice little machine tools that keeps our bodies from falling apart which was the opposite back in the 1800s where everyone was having to work harder. We are a society of eternal children.
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Think I second this. If I read Twitter and comment sections too much, I come away with the impression that far-left people are everywhere. When I stop staring at screens and go outside, I realize there are just a whole lot of people with a wide range of views on things. The percentage of kool-aid drinking far-leftists is much lower than what you will find online. Average people are not sitting on Twitter all day, and the ones who are don't really care to argue over politics. Instead, you will find the fanatics from either end of the spectrum arguing it out. And of course there's the influencer who has to drive interest and views to make a buck who is going to stoke the flames and make this as polarized as possible.
We all need to be more focused on our neighborhoods, our communities, and our local towns. That's the conclusion I've come to. I don't mean for us to ignore what's happening nationally, because if we lose the federal government to far-left extremists, all that rolls down hill unfortunately. It's simply that if we were taking care of our local areas, we'd have a lot less of the big "OMG the world is over" kinds of problems and a lot more "Dang, the farmer's cows got out again and there's fresh beef all over the highway. We gotta do our part and fill our freezers!" Smaller problems.
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I've grown very tired of the left/right paradigm and question the adjectives meant to describe how far they are from a central/centrist position. I consider it foolish and counterproductive to continue operating with that paradigm because it fuels the divides we need to mend in order to address issues like this one. Otherwise we're trapped on that historical circle @Vow posted above with that meme.
There's no hope of fixing our problems when most people can't agree on basic, fundamental facts. Simply stating those facts can be enough to lose your job today, if not land you in a psych ward or jail. We're moving through a world built on lies where our own governments are coming after us for trying to right those wrongs with the overwhelming majority of the public remaining ignorant, silent/apathetic or even cheering on the governments for it.
This is a cultural problem, one that requires overcoming that fear I spoke about. We cannot be afraid to offend because fixing problems like this requires offending a great many people that have grown too comfortable living with those lies.
Nothing is going to be fixed this side of civilisational collapse when most people in developed countries still have food, power and access to entertainment. Arguing against insane people in late stage civilisation is a waste of time, I'd rather shut up and just wait for everything to collapse and then get involved with sorting out the disaster, and by disaster I mean a disaster affecting food, power and access to entertainment, basically the modern pre-conditions for debilitating screen addiction and ennui.
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I'm not sure if this is one of your patented Teezzy sarcastic posts or not but tbh I kinda agree with you here.
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imagine have men and women not fighting each other for government giving more crumbles to women. or anyone.
imagine now how would be like they thinking about how the government wants to make men and women weak and exhaust enough to not think that the government itself is the one giving them hell because it wants them to think they need the government for protection. and the government needs to parasite they money in return.
imagine now how would be like they thinking about how the government wants to make men and women weak and exhaust enough to not think that the government itself is the one giving them hell because it wants them to think they need the government for protection. and the government needs to parasite they money in return.
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If I browse youtube videos too much or start to read twitter crap everything starts to feel very negative. It becomes annoying and I just tune out. It all just feels so manufactured and fake and people need to escape it. Its hurt everything especially entertainment. I think the internet has ended up doing a lot of harm to our society overall and empowered those who shouldn't have had a voice in a issue. If people would focus on real life it'd be so much better for everyone. The internet has always been a cesspool of negative influences and people should be using it more responsibly and not allow minors access to it. I think thats the root of the problem right now.
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You must be proud to be part of the problem.
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Never really understood why work became such a glorified thing for women. As if the dudes of the 60s, 70s etc fucking wanted to go out and do work to support the family. Long hours, stressful hours, endless hours just to put food on the table. Who the fuck thinks "hey women are being excluded from glorious employment"?
With some feminists I've known I can kind of get the mask to slip by telling them that I hope my wife does get paid more because then it's just more money for me. Usually met with a negative reaction. As if they think a man and woman in a marriage keep separate finances and my wife's earnings exclusively belong to her while mine, I assume, are supposed to pay for bills and essentials for the both of us.
Their idea is that if women work loads the can get a lot of money and become "independent". The problem is that for the majority they just become wage slaves. A woman who 40 years ago would have been at home in a house she owns raising a kid or maybe two while keeping shit in order at home would now be an "independent" woman working long hours in some grey cubicle in order to rent some shitty city apartment where she lives alone getting fat and old.
Its not just about men and women as this shit will affect both negatively.
Feminism today in a nutshell:
Feminism wants women to have authority without responsibility.
Feminism wants men to have responsibility without authority.
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and that leads to the biggest whale in the room: you can't have one without the other....
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For me, one of the biggest societal problems - if not the biggest, is the issue of everyone comparing themselves to everyone else and to what they imagine to be "just". Whatever group(s) you call your own...your team, there's this incessant measuring ideology where the comparisons never end. And it only results in bitterness and general societal discontent at its most mild, and is utterly corrosive at its worst. The simmering venom that bubbles and spits seems to just increase from all corners of society with the march of time. Life is not now, nor has it ever been fair. And seeking ultimate fairness, a level playing field is a fool's errand. Far better to find gratitude for the positives in life and greet the world with a smile imho. There is no utopia, and the quest for its gates only leads to further suffering.
I agree 100%. But there's a difference between things being unfair and flat out abuse and exploitation.
Some things can never be fair. There's never truly equal opportunity. But some things are basic. If we let those things go, society is in big trouble. One of those things is freedom of speech. But for quite a while now, only things that matter to specific groups are allowed to be spoken about. If you're a traditional woman, you're not really allowed to speak. If you're a man, you're only allowed to speak in favor of feminazi ideology and LGBTABCtoXYZ. A man speaking in favor of men is more taboo than women speaking in favor of men, and even then, women speaking in favor of men are shunned.
We naturally group things. We can't escape it. It's compassion for the "other groups" that will solve a lot of the problems. But showing compassion to certain groups will automatically result in an angry mob against you. And one of those groups that don't get any compassion is men. Men are exploited and abused and are expected to shut up and take it.
And I'm well aware that I sound exactly the same as women, gay people, and a bunch of other groups with that last sentence. The difference is, at least the other groups are acknowledged to be capable of suffering, sometimes for things that aren't even there, while for men, suffering is not acknowledged, even when it's right in front of everyone's face.
And obviously I don't mean of their own wrongdoing. Men are often punished for doing the right thing.