Jim Ryan Rejected Kojima's New Game

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So according to this podcast, on the 14th minute they start talking about Jim Ryan rejecting Kojima's new game because they weren't happy with Death Stranding sales

Looks like that Kojima going to Xbox news that I posted couple of days ago will be confirmed sooner or later
 
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Get the feeling he wasted a lot of money on Death Stranding and Sony isn't happy. Hiring those famous actors was unnecessary.

Konami probably breathed a sigh of relief when he departed.
 
Helljumper said:
Get the feeling he wasted a lot of money on Death Stranding and Sony isn't happy. Hiring those famous actors was unnecessary.

Konami probably breathed a sigh of relief when he departed.
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But Sony likes their movies, I mean games. So they should've been happy

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Mista said:
But Sony likes their movies, I mean games. So they should've been happy

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I think Sony has just realised why Konami got rid of him. Personally feel Kojima peaked in the PS2 era. Everything since then, while technically polished, has been unfocused and cringe worthy. I think the guy is influenced by too many things (just look at his daily media diet on Twitter), and this has affected the quality of his work.
 
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Helljumper said:
I think Sony has just realised why Konami got rid of him. Personally feel Kojima peaked in the PS2 era. Everything since then, while technically polished, has been unfocused and cringe worthy. I think the guy is influenced by too many things (just look at his daily media diet on Twitter), and this has affected the quality of his work.
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I don't think the same especially that I sank over 200 hours in Death Stranding

Kojima and his team can still deliver and who knows, their new game might be great
 
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Death Stranding might have been divisive, but Kojima I think will always have a presence
 
Less walking, more gameplay equals more cash. Simple mathematics. I remember the time he was "trapped" at Konami and the journos like that Geoff Keighley were all acting like he's a hero, oh all the horrible things Konami did to him, how he sufferred etc. Bitch what the hell. He sat in an office in a comfy chair, not like he was digging rocks in a mine or some shit.
 
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I never bought into all that "fuck Konami" stuff. Konami gave him the resources that enabled him to become one of the most well known figures in the industry.
Perhaps he is now finding out that other companies will never be as generous.
 
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I never bought into all that "fuck Konami" stuff. Konami gave him the resources that enabled him to become one of the most well known figures in the industry.
Perhaps he is now finding out that other companies will never be as generous.
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The same Konami that made him release an unfinished game and ditched gaming for pachinko? Yup, fuck Konami.

And please don't talk like if Kojima didn't deliver all those years in return that made him a well known figure.
 
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By that logic, Sony should be eagerly signing Kojima up for his next game, but that doesn't look as if it is going to happen.
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That's the first thing they did when he left Konami loool. Developers left and right inviting him to use their engines and make him use any of them for his game. This is hilarious! Give him the credit he deserves
 
Mista said:
That's the first thing they did when he left Konami loool. Developers left and right inviting him to use their engines and make him use any of them for his game. This is hilarious! Give him the credit he deserves
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I'm talking about his next game after Death Stranding – you know the one you put over 200 hours into. If Death Stranding is also another "great" Kojima game, Sony should be giving him what he wants right? Just like Konami did on several occasions.
 
Helljumper said:
I'm talking about his next game after Death Stranding – you know the one you put over 200 hours into. If Death Stranding is also another "great" Kojima game, Sony should be giving him what he wants right? Just like Konami did on several occasions.
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If this is true, I had a feeling this might happen while playing Death Stranding.

You get someone to give you a blank check, help set up a studio, access to one of their most technically capable teams and engines, hire half of Hollywood... and you return to them with a niche, indie-style game mostly about traveling, delivery, and working together as a community.

(On a side note, I bet that connection theme has a whole new vibe after the lockdowns)

While I seriously applaud Kojima for his courage, and we need more of that thing, that's unfortunately not how making AAA games works.

I think that if Sony does this, it's stupid and short-sighted. You guide your creators, not cut them off at the first problem. Then again, maybe Kojima has another crazy idea, won't budge on it, and everyone else is clamoring to sign up, giving Sony no leverage in influencing it to become more mainstream friendly.

I guess we'll know when we see the game, which apparently shouldn't be too long.
 
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Helljumper said:
I never bought into all that "fuck Konami" stuff. Konami gave him the resources that enabled him to become one of the most well known figures in the industry.
Perhaps he is now finding out that other companies will never be as generous.
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Yeah I was all aboard the fuck konami train until I actually played Phantom Pain. Some admittedly fun gameplay mechanics plopped into the dullest open world setting imaginable, with a half-baked story featuring everything MGS games get mocked for minus any of their charm or sincerity. This was the best he could do after so much time and so much money? Dude just did not want to be there anymore and it absolutely showed in his work.

Good for him that he got to make his Death Stranding. Maybe now he'll get back around to making good games.
 
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I'm no expert on business dealings. But if this is true, i bet there was a financial reason behind the decision to not grab the project.

As a consumer, i'll happily pay attention to whatever Kojima develops, God knows DS was a huge bet and a tough sale with that little info we had about gameplay till close to launch.

But thinking about it, i bet Sony was all sweaty Peele close to launch 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Imma be that dude here who posts dunkey videos I guess but here's his review of death stranding. This is a guy who loves Kojima and the MGS games even Phantom Pain.

Not saying you have to change your mind if you're someone who actually likes the game but Dunkey is funny.

 
I think that's my least favorite Dunkey video.

- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, okay fine.
- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, then criticizing it along those lines, less fine.

Stranding is a love/hate game that will either attract people or push them away, maybe even have both effects on the same person, but there's no need to actively make up playability issues with the game.
 
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I think that's my least favorite Dunkey video.

- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, okay fine.
- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, then criticizing it along those lines, less fine.

Stranding is a love/hate game that will either attract people or push them away, maybe even have both effects on the same person, but there's no need to actively make up playability issues with the game.
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No no, its only fine in certain situations. Get used to it ;)
 
It's quite unique really. There aren't many games about pretty much making deliveries and having combat there, but not really that necessary outside some scenarios. And i saw it as that and i loved it. But i'm pretty damn sure if they had said what the game was from the beginning it would have hurt sales even more, cause consumers are, well, like they are.
 
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Arc said:
I think that's my least favorite Dunkey video.

- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, okay fine.
- Playing the game like an ass for comedic effect, then criticizing it along those lines, less fine.

Stranding is a love/hate game that will either attract people or push them away, maybe even have both effects on the same person, but there's no need to actively make up playability issues with the game.
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That's something he's done before, in his Octopath video off the top of my head. His sentiment about the game overall is genuine but some of the specifics in his videos are exaggerated or wrong for goofs.
 
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It's quite unique really. There aren't many games about pretty much making deliveries and having combat there, but not really that necessary outside some scenarios. And i saw it as that and i loved it. But i'm pretty damn sure if they had said what the game was from the beginning it would have hurt sales even more, cause consumers are, well, like they are.
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I really don't care about who likes it or not. Its non of my business

What I like and appreciate is the ballsy move from KJP to make such game

Nobody else dares to take this risk and just plays it safe. They all do pewpewpew for the boring lot
 
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ExpandKong said:
That's something he's done before, in his Octopath video off the top of my head. His sentiment about the game overall is genuine but some of the specifics in his videos are exaggerated or wrong for goofs.
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Yeah. I can see that. Where the comedy kind of interferes with the serious impressions.

My read was that he played DS like an ass, then hated it. If he didn't, and it just didn't work for him, fair play.
 
Mista said:
I really don't care about who likes it or not. Its non of my business

What I like and appreciate is the ballsy move from KJP to make such game

Nobody else dares to take this risk and just plays it safe. They all do pewpewpew for the boring lot
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My kind of gamer bro!
 
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Yeah. I can see that. Where the comedy kind of interferes with the serious impressions.

My read was that he played DS like an ass, then hated it. If he didn't, and it just didn't work for him, fair play.
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He could very well come back to it in a few years and love it, like he did with Last of Us. His big thing is he can't stand time-wasters, and it's easy to see how Death Stranding might be construed as having a lot of those.


Mista said:
I really don't care about who likes it or not. Its non of my business

What I like and appreciate is the ballsy move from KJP to make such game

Nobody else dares to take this risk and just plays it safe. They all do pewpewpew for the boring lot
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I dunno, I think if anybody deserves credit for their balls it'd be whoever it was at Sony who handed Kojima a blank check to make the most Kojima game ever.

It's too bad they've gotten cold feet now though. Will be interesting to see what lessons Kojima's learned from DS, at any rate.
 
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I dunno, I think if anybody deserves credit for their balls it'd be whoever it was at Sony who handed Kojima a blank check to make the most Kojima game ever.

It's too bad they've gotten cold feet now though. Will be interesting to see what lessons Kojima's learned from DS, at any rate.
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Kudos to both. I just hope his next game is not a horror game
 
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Mista said:
Kudos to both. I just hope his next game is not a horror game
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Don't like horror, or don't like Kojima + horror? PT was pretty good but I didn't like the idea of him making the next Silent Hill game. Though here in 2021 now I can say it probably would've been better him than nobody, hahah.
 
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