How many women per man would it take for a female army to defeat a male army in ancient battle?

[Elektro Demon]

I saw this thread on Evilore's forum and I had to make the same one here. I think it's a very interesting topic.

So we're talking ancient battles. Armor, swords and good old fashioned bloodbath. So let's say males have 1000 soldiers. How many females would it take to defeat them?
I'd say around 7000 females to defeat 1000 men. Men have more strenght and bodies built for combat. Plus since the male is physically bigger, he can put more armor on him.
Once then start charging, I think ladies wouldn't have a chance. Doesn't matter if the ladies have more bodies if those bodies are weak. And once testosternone kicks in, females wouldn't have a chance.
I think the breaking point 7-1. That's where the females would have a chance, imo.
What's your take?

 

[FactsAreDead]

I mean, let's go outside and beat up some women to find out in the name of science, right?

Spoiler

Rofl, these topics, man. One "bru"-moment after the other xD

 

[tillbot8]

10-1 sounds about right to me, not just force. Planning, composure, agility, spatial awareness, guts, endurence, tolerence, pride, commitment, skill, organisation etc etc etc.

Only sheer numbers could overencumber that. Its not a slight on Women either. They are just not evolutionarilly wired for the battlefield. Its not their place. They are just as important to the Human races survival in other aspects.

Always funny in a modern woke movie a 110 pound Woman throwing an awkward punch to a 250 pound guy and it knocking him over. A slap would hurt more and he would shrug that off too as nothing lol!

 

[mcz117chief]

Look at it this way:
1000 dudes charging 10 000 women I think the women would piss themselves and collapse.
1000 dudes seeing 10 000 women charge them would make them ecstatic with joy.

 

[FactsAreDead]

1000 dudes seeing 10 000 women charge them would make them ecstatic with joy.

Enjoy:

 

[mcz117chief]

Enjoy:

You have no idea how thirsty soldiers on month long marches can be

 

[FactsAreDead]

You have no idea how thirsty soldiers on month long marches can be

You, good sir, need standards!

BRRRR

 

[mcz117chief]

You, good sir, need standards!

BRRRR

Me? I'm not a 5th century, dirty, toothless, ultra masculine pillager. To them even those harlots would look like top models.

 

[King of Foxes]

The fact that in all of recorded human history that an all female army has never happened but male armies have should tell you what you need to know

Mixed gender companies of Scythian raiders is about as good as it got for female warriors

 

[MetalAlien]

The men not holding back? If men could turn off their brains and just see the women as the enemy...it would take a lot.. Even seasoned female fighters would be destroyed.

 

[ExpandKong]

It depends on what time of the month it is

thank you folks try the pepper steak

 

[ManofTwo]

Interesting topic I would say it would take at-least 3-1.

And they've had all female armies in ancient Greece, Mesopotamia and Africa.

The Mino is very famous

 

[Iorv3th]

Is it strictly hand to hand combat? What if the women were expert archers and used catapults and stuff from behind a wall?

 

[slugbahr]

In close quarter battle only?
A metric fuckton.
Consider the Battle of Thermopylae - 300 Spartans backed by 1,000 other troops.
Then there's the Celtic (or was it Viking, maybe both) Berserker, who was basically on meth.
There might have been an exceptional individual here and there, but the vast majority of female fighters back then wouldn't stand a chance against the average guy.

 

[King of Foxes]

Interesting topic I would say it would take at-least 3-1.

And they've had all female armies in ancient Greece, Mesopotamia and Africa.

The Mino is very famous

But they didn't, no one knows who the Amazon's were in reality and the best guess is that they were Scythians which at best had male and female mixes raiding parties.

The Minos got wrecked by the colonial troops

There have been female units, mostly after gunpowder but never a full woman only army. Pre gunpowder it was maybe a woman warrior or general here or there.

Source - trust me bro

 

[Stilton Disco]

It would vary massively depending on the situation, training, equipment, culture and era.

In a straight up, untrained, buck naked fist fight out in a field, women have zero advantages, and would likely route before the exact number could be calculated. 10-1 easily I'd say though.

Give both of them guns, defensible posititions and flak vests (as well as the training to use them) and you might only need a 1.5-1 difference to compensate for the difference in telescopic vision and hand eye coordination, although 2-1 would be a safer bet, due to how long it could go on for, with men having the clear endurance advantage.

An interesting point to consider is Historical European Martial Arts (HEMA) competitions, which tend to allow mixed fights, precisely because of the fact swords and such weapons work as a force multiplier, and can significantly reduce the relative advantages in reach, so narrow the gap between the sexes enough to have more fair competition between the two. Men do usually win still however, but it's a lot less often than in equivelant unarmed competitions, including the odd high profile competitive victory for the girls, so does point towards equipment being an important factor to consider.

 

[FactsAreDead]

Let's be fair, though: Without "protection", a lot of men would drop like flies.

 

[ManofTwo]

But they didn't, no one knows who the Amazon's were in reality and the best guess is that they were Scythians which at best had male and female mixes raiding parties.

The Minos got wrecked by the colonial troops

There have been female units, mostly after gunpowder but never a full woman only army. Pre gunpowder it was maybe a woman warrior or general here or there.

Source - trust me bro

For sure if you put anyone wth bows and arrows vs cannons and guns, cannons gonna win but Minos were pretty effective against ppl with similar equipment

 

[slugbahr]

Let's be fair, though: Without "protection", a lot of men would drop like flies.

You should look up the origins of the word "berserk".

 

[Whitesnake]

In terms of big square armed masses colliding with each other, and nothing else? 10 to 1 sounds about right.

It would really only take two women to kill a man, one to draw his attention and another to flank him. But such a scenario could only really happen in chaotic unorganized battles rather than organized warfare.

In more realistic historic battle scenarios, I think depends a lot on era. The presence of artillery and related devices would help even the odds. The most labour-intensive part of operating, say, a catapult would be lifting the projectile and placing it in the device. In which case it would simply take more women to lift the projectile.

 

[MetalAlien]

You should look up the origins of the word "berserk".

Exactly... women are missing more than just muscle mass and bone density... they are missing the love of it... men lust after combat... Men just wouldn't win, they'd enjoy it.

 

[regawdless]

Interesting question. But who would be fighting on these armies?

The very best males against the very best females?

Or average males vs average females?

Taking like 100 Brock Lesnars in their prime, they could easily destroy 1000 of the best and strongest females. Stick together, with a good strategy, I think that's a likely outcome.

Taking random average people from both genders, I kinda think it'll be even worse, but only slightly. Because I think the average man can still be very vicious with all that adrenaline and the average man is still rather strong.

While, looking at average women that I know.... Not scary at all. Like, very weak.

Either way, would be a pretty bad outcome for the females. Who would've thought.

 

[Toecutter]

Roughly this many:




Although that would depend on what you'd classify as 'defeat'.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I mean, let's go outside and beat up some women to find out in the name of science, right?

Spoiler

Rofl, these topics, man. One "bru"-moment after the other xD

 

[regawdless]

The fact alone that males could carry way stronger weapons, bigger shields, more armor etc. Or carry the same equipment while getting way less tired by it, would give them a huuuuge advantage.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Imagine an army of land whales burying you beneath them in mortal combat on the field of honor, as you watch in pure shock and open disgust at their horrible mountains of lard they call bodies piling on you.
Your last fading thoughts being about the sweet memories you have of the slim blonde with that tight little butt you have waiting for you at home. Suddenly you start asking yourself if it was all worth it becoming a soldier on the battlefield, and if future people finding your remains will laugh at you for this most hilarious and unhonorable of deaths.

 

[slugbahr]

We will conscript our own armies of land whales to counter theirs. And male ones will be even bigger.

 

[regawdless]

Imagine an army of land whales burying you beneath them in mortal combat on the field of honor, as you watch in pure shock and open disgust at their horrible mountains of lard they call bodies piling on you.
Your last fading thoughts being about the sweet memories you have of the slim blonde with that tight little butt you have waiting for you at home. Suddenly you start asking yourself if it was all worth it becoming a soldier on the battlefield, and if future people finding your remains will laugh at you for this most hilarious and unhonorable of deaths.

Nah. At the time they reach you, they'd be already exhausted and no threat whatsoever.

Even if you start directly in front of them, just keep them at a distance and dance around them for a minute. Won't take longer for them to be totally exhausted, being on their knees, praying for some diet coke and a burger. They'd be totally defenseless.

One minute is even way too optimistic. I've done some sparring sessions (kickboxing) with really strong bodybuilders that were way bigger and stronger than me. Jab, jab, jab, leg kick, jab, jab for a minute, keeping my distance, the couldn't even hold their hands up anymore after a minute.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Nah. At the time they reach you, they'd be already exhausted and no threat whatsoever.

Even if you start directly in front of them, just keep them at a distance and dance around them for a minute. Won't take longer for them to be totally exhausted, being on their knees, praying for some diet coke and a burger. They'd be totally defenseless.

I'd pay money to watch that movie.

 

[regawdless]

I'd pay money to watch that movie.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Nah, I am not @Elektro Demon .

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

Imagine an army of land whales burying you beneath them in mortal combat on the field of honor, as you watch in pure shock and open disgust at their horrible mountains of lard they call bodies piling on you.
Your last fading thoughts being about the sweet memories you have of the slim blonde with that tight little butt you have waiting for you at home. Suddenly you start asking yourself if it was all worth it becoming a soldier on the battlefield, and if future people finding your remains will laugh at you for this most hilarious and unhonorable of deaths.

The one on the right would be good if she lost 30 kg

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The one on the right would be good if she lost 30 kg

I have dated a few women, that have been fat for a few years before, and then got rid of all the lard.
Problem there is, the skin doesn't shrink that much as well, and those women always have horrible loose feeling skin that looks terrible as well.

It's like fucking with lizards.

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

I have dated a few women, that have been fat for a few years before, and then got rid of all the lard.
Problem there is, the skin doesn't shrink that much as well, and those women always have horrible loose feeling skin that looks terrible as well.

It's like fucking with lizards.

I’ve never fucked a fatty or an ex-fatty so I wouldn’t know

 

[regawdless]

I’ve never fucked a fatty or an ex-fatty so I wouldn’t know

We need a discussion and a poll about banging overweight people I guess.

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

We need a discussion and a poll about banging overweight people I guess.

@Elektro Demon it’s your time to shine

 

[FactsAreDead]

Also, I never fucked a lizard, so I guess I can't participate in that debate.

 

[Elektro Demon]

@Elektro Demon it’s your time to shine

I bang chubby broads not extreme fat ones.

 

[DESTROYA]

The men would just quite after 15 minutes of constant nagging and let the women kill them.

 

[Dr. Farnsgoth]

Also, I never fucked a lizard, so I guess I can't participate in that debate.

Pretty sure you can’t participate in any debate about fucking