Hey 'Star Wars' Fans, Are You Bummed About Disney Ruining It? Well There's An Alternative....

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Complete with full on badass testerone.

Warhammer 40k has almost everything Star Wars has and more!

You like The Force? We have the Warp! It's like the Force if the Force resided in an adjacent reality and full of horrors beyond comprehension!

You like Jedis and Sith? We got Psykers who tap into the Warp. Just like a fucking Jedi! Well, like a Jedi if he had to worry about a demon possessing him. Oh yeah they have Sith too but they serve the Chaos Lords in the Warp. There's four of those fuckers and they're the most evil and dangerous brings in existence as we know of.

You like the Empire? We got that too because the humans, aka the "good guys", ARE the Empire in Wh40k. In fact, humans have an Emperor rotting away on a throne too just like Palps in Rise of Skywalker. Oh yeah he's also considered the god of mankind.

You like aliens? There's a bunch of them and we don't get along with any of them.

You like Terminator? There is a whole race of Terminators only they are hundreds of times more powerful. Oh yeah, some of them like Crypteks even use "magic" and can manipulate reality. Oh yeah they also have captured pieces of god-like entities from the beginning of time and can sometimes summon them to really fuck things up. One of these beings is almost literally the Grim Reaper.

You like the Alien movies? Oh shit we got Tyranids that would make Xenomorphs look like a kitten. There is about a few billion of them entering out galaxy.

You like Mandalorians and fucking bounty hunters? We got you covered. One bounty hunter once put on some arcane armor and it fused with him and now he runs around sucking water out of people's bodies until they die.

How about the Death Star? Oh yeah there's planet destroying weapons and ships the size of a moon. There's even a demon ship that is the size of a solar system. Remember V'Ger from Star Trek? It's like that if V'Ger were a demonic entity bent of devouring billions of souls.

Oh and yeah and you won't have to worry about woke shit too much. No soy boys here. The men here have more testerone than Arnold Schwarzenegger has in his prime. No room for fem boys here.

So yeah, you should uh, give it a looking into especially with Star Wars going to the dogs. No stupid Jedi bake offs or Halcyon Starcruiser honeymoons. It is not a nice galaxy in the 41st millennium.

Oh, and you might want to see the unofficial prequel to Warhammer 40k. It's called Event Horizon.
 
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40k is legit but it suffers from everything being inconsequential. Since the Emperor is never gonna rise from his throne, since the Eldar aren't ever gonna be snuffed out, since the Necrons aren't ever gonna stop waking up from their tombs, etc the perpetual warfare ends up being a perpetual balance. Literally nothing at all matters so when the lore talks about some 600,000 elite irreplaceable Grey Knights or 6 trillion imperium citizens getting vaporized on some planet, I couldn't care any less.
 
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DonDonDonPata said:
40k is legit but it suffers from everything being inconsequential. Since the Emperor is never gonna rise from his throne, since the Eldar aren't ever gonna be snuffed out, since the Necrons aren't ever gonna stop waking up from their tombs, etc the perpetual warfare ends up being a perpetual balance. Literally nothing at all matters so when the lore talks about some 600,000 elite irreplaceable Grey Knights or 6 trillion imperium citizens getting vaporized on some planet, I couldn't care any less.
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Warhammer is stupid on purpose which makes it hard to take seriously outside of the hobby. Warhammer cons or TV shows have a terrible up-hill battle in front of them if they want to attract any attention at all outside of the few nerds. Apart from Warhammer being permanently stuck it also suffers from a lack of good stories involving compelling characters. Every character in 40k is a brooding warrior fighting impossible odds. No family love stories*, no redemption arcs, no heroic journeys, just a guy or bunch of guys killing their way through a planet, ship or whatever. While the stories are entertaining in their edginess, they are just very poor works of fiction. I have read about a dozen books and not a single character in any of them would make it to my top 100 fictional characters list, probably not even within top 500.

* there is actually 1, the VR game Battle Sister, and it is honestly one of the best 40k stories out there.

Star Wars, Star Trek etc. are all about a million tiers above Warhammer.
 
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Warhammer is stupid on purpose which makes it hard to take seriously outside of the hobby. Warhammer cons or TV shows have a terrible up-hill battle in front of them if they want to attract any attention at all outside of the few nerds. Apart from Warhammer being permanently stuck it also suffers from a lack of good stories involving compelling characters. Every character in 40k is a brooding warrior fighting impossible odds. No family love stories*, no redemption arcs, no heroic journeys, just a guy or bunch of guys killing their way through a planet, ship or whatever.
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I think this is Star Trek's strength, that it focuses on characters and heroic journeys / themes. Sure, the entire show is ripping off old historical events and old literature (especially Next Gen, my personal favorite), but most good fiction does that.

I think 40k is strongest if you like to nerd out, compare stats, min/max, and generally immerse yourself in the numbers and technology of a universe. The various factions and races are the coolest. The art design is premium. The weapons and psyker powers are over-the-top. Very few sci-fi products can compare there. It's like the Disgaea of science fiction. There's so much packed into it that you almost love it more because of the messy inconsistency.

Plus Games Workshop can put these factions into a tabletop football game, or a first person shooter, or a fleet-battle setting, or into countless boardgame varieties, and still feel somewhat consistent with itself.

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While the stories are entertaining in their edginess, they are just very poor works of fiction. I have read about a dozen books and not a single character in any of them would make it to my top 100 fictional characters list, probably not even within top 500.

* there is actually 1, the VR game Battle Sister, and it is honestly one of the best 40k stories out there.

Star Wars, Star Trek etc. are all about a million tiers above Warhammer.
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As mentioned above, I think Star Trek has the most "human" writing and story arcs, something that can be enjoyed apart from the science fiction itself. Star Wars is middle of the road Hollywood action flick. Characters are compelling but not all that well-written once you have to dig into their deeper motivations. 40k has even thinner plot / characters but the story is negligible
 
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mcz117chief said:
Warhammer is stupid on purpose which makes it hard to take seriously outside of the hobby. Warhammer cons or TV shows have a terrible up-hill battle in front of them if they want to attract any attention at all outside of the few nerds. Apart from Warhammer being permanently stuck it also suffers from a lack of good stories involving compelling characters. Every character in 40k is a brooding warrior fighting impossible odds. No family love stories*, no redemption arcs, no heroic journeys, just a guy or bunch of guys killing their way through a planet, ship or whatever. While the stories are entertaining in their edginess, they are just very poor works of fiction. I have read about a dozen books and not a single character in any of them would make it to my top 100 fictional characters list, probably not even within top 500.

* there is actually 1, the VR game Battle Sister, and it is honestly one of the best 40k stories out there.

Star Wars, Star Trek etc. are all about a million tiers above Warhammer.
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I mean you're not wrong broadly, but there are islands of quality, humanity and hope in 40K and it's various spin offs fiction if you look for it.

I know I bring his books up every time, but the Ciaphus Cain novels are a million miles away from brooding warrior facing impossible odds with no love or family. They're a great entry into the setting, and a good palette cleanser for anyone a bit burnt out on Grim Dark.

Also since the Primarch Roboute Guilliman has returned from the dead, there's way more hope than there ever has been in the setting before, and events have started to actually.move forward.

It's become stagnant again over the past two years mind, but with rumours of another Primarch returning for 10th edition, likely the meta narrative will jump forward again then too.
 
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I mean you're not wrong broadly, but there are islands of quality, humanity and hope in 40K and it's various spin offs fiction if you look for it.

I know I bring his books up every time, but the Ciaphus Cain novels are a million miles away from brooding warrior facing impossible odds with no love or family. They're a great entry into the setting, and a good palette cleanser for anyone a bit burnt out on Grim Dark.

Also since the Primarch Roboute Guilliman has returned from the dead, there's way more hope than there ever has been in the setting before, and events have started to actually.move forward.

It's become stagnant again over the past two years mind, but with rumours of another Primarch returning for 10th edition, likely the meta narrative will jump forward again then too.
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Yeah, you know I'm overly critical of Warhammer but after all is said and done we have a pretty much identical view of the setting just from a slightly different angle.

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What's the Warhammer version of Jar Jar?
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Normie JJ is Cegorach
Sith theory JJ is Tzeenche
 
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I like 40K, got into it via Dawn of War 1/2 and Emperor gets a Text to Speech Device series (before it got nuked.)

Warhammer Fantasy though is amazing. Total Warhammer Trilogy, and will probably take a look at the Felix and Gotrek novels.
 
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Warhammer Fantasy though is amazing. Total Warhammer Trilogy, and will probably take a look at the Felix and Gotrik novels.
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The first few Gotrek and Felix books are great. Brunner is another great series; it's The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly in the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
 
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Cryptek said:
This right here.

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Complete with full on badass testerone.

Warhammer 40k has almost everything Star Wars has and more!

You like The Force? We have the Warp! It's like the Force if the Force resided in an adjacent reality and full of horrors beyond comprehension!

You like Jedis and Sith? We got Psykers who tap into the Warp. Just like a fucking Jedi! Well, like a Jedi if he had to worry about a demon possessing him. Oh yeah they have Sith too but they serve the Chaos Lords in the Warp. There's four of those fuckers and they're the most evil and dangerous brings in existence as we know of.

You like the Empire? We got that too because the humans, aka the "good guys", ARE the Empire in Wh40k. In fact, humans have an Emperor rotting away on a throne too just like Palps in Rise of Skywalker. Oh yeah he's also considered the god of mankind.

You like aliens? There's a bunch of them and we don't get along with any of them.

You like Terminator? There is a whole race of Terminators only they are hundreds of times more powerful. Oh yeah, some of them like Crypteks even use "magic" and can manipulate reality. Oh yeah they also have captured pieces of god-like entities from the beginning of time and can sometimes summon them to really fuck things up. One of these beings is almost literally the Grim Reaper.

You like the Alien movies? Oh shit we got Tyranids that would make Xenomorphs look like a kitten. There is about a few billion of them entering out galaxy.

You like Mandalorians and fucking bounty hunters? We got you covered. One bounty hunter once put on some arcane armor and it fused with him and now he runs around sucking water out of people's bodies until they die.

How about the Death Star? Oh yeah there's planet destroying weapons and ships the size of a moon. There's even a demon ship that is the size of a solar system. Remember V'Ger from Star Trek? It's like that if V'Ger were a demonic entity bent of devouring billions of souls.

Oh and yeah and you won't have to worry about woke shit too much. No soy boys here. The men here have more testerone than Arnold Schwarzenegger has in his prime. No room for fem boys here.

So yeah, you should uh, give it a looking into especially with Star Wars going to the dogs. No stupid Jedi bake offs or Halcyon Starcruiser honeymoons. It is not a nice galaxy in the 41st millennium.

Oh, and you might want to see the unofficial prequel to Warhammer 40k. It's called Event Horizon.
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Can you refine this down to one paragraph?
 
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Every character in 40k is a brooding warrior fighting impossible odds. No family love stories*, no redemption arcs, no heroic journeys, just a guy or bunch of guys killing their way through a planet, ship or whatever.
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Man, I would find something like this to be refreshing in this day and age.
 
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Can you refine this down to one paragraph?
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Imagine aspects of all of scifi combined into one franchise, without all of the soft soy wokeness of the modern era. That would be warhammer 40K, which focuses more on warriors fighting then galactic bake offs.
 
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We have a Warhammer store right here in Las Vegas.

Hey @MetalAlien we should take a trip there sometime when I have money so I can grab a couple books.

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Sure.. but I don't like warhammer...lol
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I think you'd really like it if a proper live action was made, you played Space Marine or Necromunda and knew about the lore.

It's pretty the most testerone inducing sci-fi universe there is. It's guy shit cranked to 11. It's Aliens if the Xenomorphs were on steroids, flew their own ships and had a hive mind. It's Terminator if Terminators were spread across the galaxy, some had reality altering powers (my username Cryptek are those) and literally imprisoned ancient star gods in their tesseracts.

Remember V'Ger? Warhammer 40k has a Daemon ship that is literally the size of a solar system.

Oh yeah and that ship came from the Warp. You might know about the Warp from a movie called Event Horizon. That ship is from that place "where we're going, you won't need eyes to see."

Edit: the screenwriter admitted he used 40k as inspiration.

Btw this isn't Star Wars or Star Trek. We don't sit at bars with aliens. Nope, we instead have a special task force called the Deathwatch to purge the Xeno filth.

It's a bit absurd, yeah, but it's pretty awesome.

Fun fact: I use to hate Wh40k. Got into the Space Marine video game, checked out more lore and actually ended up becoming a fan.
 
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Cryptek said:
I think you'd really like it if a proper live action was made, you played Space Marine or Necromunda and knew about the lore.

It's pretty the most testerone inducing sci-fi universe there is. It's guy shit cranked to 11. It's Aliens if the Xenomorphs were on steroids, flew their own ships and had a hive mind. It's Terminator if Terminators were spread across the galaxy, some had reality altering powers (my username Cryptek are those) and literally imprisoned ancient star gods in their tesseracts.

Remember V'Ger? Warhammer 40k has a Daemon ship that is literally the size of a solar system.

Oh yeah and that ship came from the Warp. You might know about the Warp from a movie called Event Horizon. That ship is from that place "where we're going, you won't need eyes to see."

Edit: the screenwriter admitted he used 40k as inspiration.

Btw this isn't Star Wars or Star Trek. We don't sit at bars with aliens. Nope, we instead have a special task force called the Deathwatch to purge the Xeno filth.

It's a bit absurd, yeah, but it's pretty awesome.

Fun fact: I use to hate Wh40k. Got into the Space Marine video game, checked out more lore and actually ended up becoming a fan.
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I've heard about it for a long time it just never grabbed me sorry
 
Someone on r/40klore posted this for me.

Is this anyone specifically? Me likes.

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