[DonDonDonPata]

100%. It doesn't change anything in and of itself.
I think it's embedded in my thinking that we are, for all intents and purposes already in an AI-generated content era. Pixar/Fortnite, political fuchsia and danger hair, sterile photo realism… it's just a wetware C-suite instead of an LLM. I think actual AI is just exposing that all "art" is only as good as its prompts. GIGO.


I think the reactionary allergy to AI is only going to result in a "purity test" which only serves publishers and devs who can afford "acceptable" art… the joke being every digital art tool chain is incorporating AI.

To stretch the music comparison, we didn't have this chicken little concern when music recording went digital; everyone was happy to think their favorite artists were sitting in an dim amber lit studio just feeling the vibes, and not all isolated, not even always there at same time, with an engineer copy-pasting a perfectly quantized "fixed" sample in ProTools and repeating it over and over, exactly how dance music is made… never mind the cost of professional mastering locking small artists out of all major distribution channels before cheap DAWs changed the indie game.

I'm pretty mixed too honestly, just think the Luddite reaction is completely misguided.

AAA devs are getting art assets from unthinking Chinese dev farms at bargain prices already. In terms of end result, AI just cuts out the humans.

 

[Spiders]

That's fair, but on a personal level you're also denying yourself the opportunity to get better at making art assets. I don't mind people doing it for a game with a scope and scale that makes it unrealistic to make on their own, but people taking a shortcut at every opportunity is trading a skill for convenience (something that happens tragically often throughout human history).

This is probably the best case against AI: losing touch with the craft and all the personal and spiritual things that come along with that journey of development.

That said, we're already doing that with middleware game engines; who learns to code anymore? Why is there no "we're replacing humanity" for every Unreal game?

Interestingly, doujin circles who are more motivated by personal development from a baseline than their mercenary Western counterparts are a lot more comfortable with using "asset flips" and AI content. Games being as multi-disciplinary as they are, we're already making trade-offs to favor expensive presentation over the craft of design.

 

[Asmonius]

That said, we're already doing that with middleware game engines; who learns to code anymore?

To be fair on this point: the main issue with visual coding interfaces is that there's a lot of performance overhead in your finished product. It's no coincidence that Unity became kind of synonymous with poor performance (particularly on console ports). Any kind of convenience has a cost, I'm just worried that people aren't considering it with increasing reliance on automation. Even automated retopology or rigging tools have imperfections you need to have the knowledge to go in and correct if you want your 3D models to rig and animate properly.

 

[Yawnson]

That's the audience for these games

 

[TaySan]

I wish more indie devs would move on from NES/SNES art styles and move on to PS1/N66/Saturn era that's where many people in their early 30's are nostalgic for. We are starting to see a few games in that style already but I hope they keep them coming.

 

[Eneru]

I wish more indie devs would move on from NES/SNES art styles and move on to PS1/N66/Saturn era that's where many people in their early 30's are nostalgic for. We are starting to see a few games in that style already but I hope they keep them coming.

No. Both should exist. Ps1 graphics suck ass. Though I wouldn't mind some pre-rendered shit

 

[regawdless]

That's the audience for these games

 

[Spiders]

Surprised it wasn't in from jump street. Kind of the genre where it belongs. Wake me up when they add molotoving Tesla dealerships.

 

[TaySan]

Grummz is pretty popular here so I thought I might share here.

Grummz pretended to be a woman with the handle Debbi-chan while commissioning lesbian wrestling porn. He's also accused of embezzling funds

 

[Boss Mog]

Grummz is pretty popular here so I thought I might share here.

Grummz pretended to be a woman with the handle Debbi-chan while commissioning lesbian wrestling porn.

Grummz isn't "popular" here, I doubt anybody here loves the guy. His tweets gets posted when he points out woke shit in gaming, that's all. A person doesn't have to be "good" or likable to be right. If Hitler said "1+1=2" he'd be right even if he's Hitler.

This is what the left does. They can't win by attacking facts and valid arguments so they go after the person saying them instead. If they can discredit that person then that automatically invalidates everything that person says in their minds.

 

[TaySan]

Grummz isn't "popular" here, I doubt anybody here loves the guy. His tweets gets posted when he points out woke shit in gaming, that's all. A person doesn't have to be "good" or likable to be right. If Hitler said "1+1=2" he'd be right even if he's Hitler.

This is what the left does. They can't win by attacking facts and valid arguments so they go after the person saying them instead. If they can discredit that person then that automatically invalidates everything that person says in their minds.

I don't really care but It's breaking news now and he's a pretty big gaming figure so I think it's valid to post for transparency.

 

[Boss Mog]

I don't really care but It's breaking news now and he's a pretty big gaming figure so I think it's valid to post for transparency.

I never questioned your right to post it so I'm not really sure why you're saying this. All I did was point out that I don't think he's particularly "popular" here.

 

[Dacon]

Grummz is pretty popular here so I thought I might share here.

Grummz pretended to be a woman with the handle Debbi-chan while commissioning lesbian wrestling porn. He's also accused of embezzling funds

Gonna be honest, true or not I really don't care.

 

[regawdless]

Grummz is pretty popular here so I thought I might share here.

Grummz pretended to be a woman with the handle Debbi-chan while commissioning lesbian wrestling porn. He's also accused of embezzling funds

The hobby of leftist activists.

When someone is successfully pushing against their woke BS, they try to destroy that person. Doxing, swatting, personal threats, threatening their family, digging through their past to find something damaging to use that to magically invalidate everything that person said.

It's tiring and bad for society. We shouldn't even give them a platform for this shit. Also, in most cases these stories are blown out of proportion, characterizing events in a false manner, leaving out crucial information, just manipulative shit.

It's the main difference between the left and the right. The left is always focused on the question if someone is a "good" person with "good" intentions. They said Biden was a good and decent man. It's all about virtue signaling. While the right is often more focused on the actual topics.

Like, when a leftist asks another person on their opinion about gay marriage for example. It's just a virtue check, it's not about the actual question, in most cases they didn't even think about the topic at all. It's simply about "are you a good or bad person", not about the pros and cons or any rational discussion.

Luckily, I don't think most people care much about those smearing campaigns anymore.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

Grummz is pretty popular here so I thought I might share here.

Grummz pretended to be a woman with the handle Debbi-chan while commissioning lesbian wrestling porn. He's also accused of embezzling funds

Gayslop customers: who cares if the game's designer publicly hates cis white men? The private opinions of the dev team have nothing to do with the game

Also gayslop customers: hey look at this, I found info on a Youtube grifter who calls out gayslop

 

[FreddyFooker]

Nobody gives a shit what these idiot leftists moan about anymore, everyone's fed up with their nonsense and wise to it now.

I don't believe anything they "dig up" anymore as they will twist it to whatever narrative in their character assassination and cancelling attempts.

 

[TaySan]

Gonna be honest, true or not I really don't care.

The tax fraud is a bigger deal tbh

 

[Yawnson]

The hobby of leftist activists.

When someone is successfully pushing against their woke BS, they try to destroy that person. Doxing, swatting, personal threats, threatening their family, digging through their past to find something damaging to use that to magically invalidate everything that person said.

It's tiring and bad for society. We shouldn't even give them a platform for this shit. Also, in most cases these stories are blown out of proportion, characterizing events in a false manner, leaving out crucial information, just manipulative shit.

It's the main difference between the left and the right. The left is always focused on the question if someone is a "good" person with "good" intentions. They said Biden was a good and decent man. It's all about virtue signaling. While the right is often more focused on the actual topics.

Like, when a leftist asks another person on their opinion about gay marriage for example. It's just a virtue check, it's not about the actual question, in most cases they didn't even think about the topic at all. It's simply about "are you a good or bad person", not about the pros and cons or any rational discussion.

Luckily, I don't think most people care much about those smearing campaigns anymore.

Reminds me of how they talk about Elons weird sex stuff as a way of saying it's okay to spend trillions of foreign garbage that no American agreed to

 

[Yawnson]

Back to regular gaming clown world

 

[hans gruber]

The tax fraud is a bigger deal tbh

Does anyone actually care that some random guy might be a tax cheat?

 

[TaySan]

Does anyone actually care that some random guy might be a tax cheat?

Grummz isn't some random guy though

 

[hans gruber]

Grummz isn't some random guy though

He's just a dude who posts his opinion about video games on the internet. Why would it matter if he's a tax cheat or not?

 

[DonDonDonPata]

He's just a dude who posts his opinion about video games on the internet. Why would it matter if he's a tax cheat or not?

If it's one of the dev team members spouting nonsense, doesn't matter. They're just one member of the team. Don't condemn the game as "woke" even if several of the devs are publicly and proudly woke.

On the other hand…. a YouTuber who complains about said developers, SHOW US THE TAX RETURNS!

lol and it's always from the same ideological side.

 

[FreddyFooker]

lol and it's always from the same ideological side.

Their playbook is getting so old now.

 

[Yawnson]

If it's one of the dev team members spouting nonsense, doesn't matter. They're just one member of the team. Don't condemn the game as "woke" even if several of the devs are publicly and proudly woke.

On the other hand…. a YouTuber who complains about said developers, SHOW US THE TAX RETURNS!

lol and it's always from the same ideological side.

Ya big difference to the artist of Avowed saying they hate white people and purposely won't hire them for their company and some guy doing shady shit on the side but not forcing other people into the shady shit or sabotaging the game industry in the name of said shady shit

 

[Kadayi]

Back to regular gaming clown world

Honestly, it looks like someone ran the characters through Flux AI, which tends to give that chiselled chin look tbh. Probably just used a Lora of the existing designs and outputted them.

 

[poodaddy]

Grummz isn't "popular" here, I doubt anybody here loves the guy. His tweets gets posted when he points out woke shit in gaming, that's all. A person doesn't have to be "good" or likable to be right. If Hitler said "1+1=2" he'd be right even if he's Hitler.

This is what the left does. They can't win by attacking facts and valid arguments so they go after the person saying them instead. If they can discredit that person then that automatically invalidates everything that person says in their minds.

Yup. Their entire strategy relies on ad hominem, and they use it against literally everyone. It's kind of amazing that they think it still works when it clearly tends to have the opposite effect.

 

[JORMBO]

I don't like Grummz, but it is crazy an entire browser is censoring an individual and then bragging about it on social media.

 

[Kadayi]

I don't like Grummz, but it is crazy an entire browser is censoring an individual and then bragging about it on social media.

I think Grummz is a broken clock in that he's right occasionally, but more often than not he is wide of the mark. Still at the same time, not sure there is a need to censor him, if you don't like the cut of his jib, just block him.

 

[Yawnson]

I think Grummz is a broken clock in that he's right occasionally, but more often than not he is wide of the mark. Still at the same time, not sure there is a need to censor him, if you don't like the cut of his jib, just block him.

Use him more as a search for legitimate news stories, rarely care about the opinions he has

 

[DonDonDonPata]

I think Grummz is a broken clock in that he's right occasionally, but more often than not he is wide of the mark. Still at the same time, not sure there is a need to censor him, if you don't like the cut of his jib, just block him.

This kind of censorship used to be more alarming but now I guess it's just normal. It's not like we have a mainstream "right wing" browser company proudly talking about censoring Jason Shrierer. There's simply no equivalent.

As they say, "he must be over the target" if a global brand is talking openly about banning a videogame commenter….

 

[FreddyFooker]

I don't like Grummz, but it is crazy an entire browser is censoring an individual and then bragging about it on social media.

That'll be me never interested in using Opera as a browser, can't stand left wing censorship.

 

[TaySan]

I make fun of both left wing and right wing lolcows equally

 

[Kadayi]

This kind of censorship used to be more alarming but now I guess it's just normal. It's not like we have a mainstream "right wing" browser company proudly talking about censoring Jason Shrierer. There's simply no equivalent.

As they say, "he must be over the target" if a global brand is talking openly about banning a videogame commenter….

It does seem like a weird clout move for sure. As for Shrierer, no need to censor him, he generally blocks anyone who disagrees with him as SOP.

 

[DonDonDonPata]

It does seem like a weird clout move for sure. As for Shrierer, no need to censor him, he generally blocks anyone who disagrees with him as SOP.

 

[regawdless]

The sales numbers of games tell a very different story. But yes the woke pushing people now switched to "omg the anti wokes are so tiring we just want to play normal games that have normal trans nonbinary gender fluid characters in them without all the drama click bait grifter hate", trying to appeal to gamers who are tired of culture wars.

It's actually sneaky, they still want their woke shit to be in the game but they already want to establish it as normalized, simply moving along, trying to preserve the current status avoiding any discussion about it.

 

[Dacon]

Does anyone actually care that some random guy might be a tax cheat?

Who doesnt want to fucking cheat their taxes.

 

[Saruhashi]

The sales numbers of games tell a very different story. But yes the woke pushing people now switched to "omg the anti wokes are so tiring we just want to play normal games that have normal trans nonbinary gender fluid characters in them without all the drama click bait grifter hate", trying to appeal to gamers who are tired of culture wars.

It's actually sneaky, they still want their woke shit to be in the game but they already want to establish it as normalized, simply moving along, trying to preserve the current status avoiding any discussion about it.

The crazy thing is that it even managed to reach here with the new "keep your YouTube grifter hate comments away from the OT for the game where only good commentary is allowed".

The clips and footage from DA:Veilguard were absolutely ridiculous to be honest and yet we had good and valuable members of the forum melting down because people wouldn't shut up about it.

Please only comment on graphics and game mechanics in the OT!

The best possible outcome for organisations such as Sweet Baby Inc and for activist game developers is that people don't talk about their bullshit being shoehorned into every game and even we are determined to give that to them.

 

[regawdless]

The crazy thing is that it even managed to reach here with the new "keep your YouTube grifter hate comments away from the OT for the game where only good commentary is allowed".

The clips and footage from DA:Veilguard were absolutely ridiculous to be honest and yet we had good and valuable members of the forum melting down because people wouldn't shut up about it.

Please only comment on graphics and game mechanics in the OT!

The best possible outcome for organisations such as Sweet Baby Inc and for activist game developers is that people don't talk about their bullshit being shoehorned into every game and even we are determined to give that to them.

Please accept the normalization and stop fighting against it, or you're a grifter.

In other news

 

[DonDonDonPata]

The sales numbers of games tell a very different story. But yes the woke pushing people now switched to "omg the anti wokes are so tiring we just want to play normal games that have normal trans nonbinary gender fluid characters in them without all the drama click bait grifter hate", trying to appeal to gamers who are tired of culture wars.

It's actually sneaky, they still want their woke shit to be in the game but they already want to establish it as normalized, simply moving along, trying to preserve the current status avoiding any discussion about it.

Yep! We even saw the "vibe shift" here on little old DPAD where certain ideologues took up the cause to champion for poor BioWare and poor Naughty Dog and poor Ubisoft and so forth.

And some of us called that out. Hmmm wonder how many times a person's predictions have to come true before his detractors shut up and pay attention…..