Thread: DPAD Top Movies Face/Off Round 2 #23: Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 vs I Saw the Devil
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You're a weak human being with too many feelings. Shinji got it better than you.
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I saw the devil was fantastic. Really different take on the genre. If you enjoyed it please watch the good the bad and the weird. Just a super fun Western. One of the best times I've had watching a movie.
So what makes Evangelion 3+1 stand out for you? I haven't seen any of the Evangelion series, but I think its got some mechs in it.
What were your favourite things about I saw the Devil? I haven't seen many Thriller movies, but I have seen a few Korean movies. Their acting is usually pretty intense in movies like this.
The first ten minutes is a military assault in Paris and it's awesome.
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I feel like I answered you this before, but here goes, my movie "review":
Phew.
It's day #0 after watching the last movie from the Neon Genesis Evangelion-franchise. I'm still in a state between exhilarated happiness and a sinking in sadness. Happiness because of how great this finale was. Sadness because this is truly the end.
I highly recommend that you watch all of the Evangelion Rebuild-movies yourself before you continue reading this article that really is just my immediate thoughts on what I saw, trying to celebrate a historical moment in the world of anime and bringing closure to a series that followed me for most of my life.
So, anyway. Let's talk about Evangelion 3.0+1.0.
Before watching the final movie, I actually decided to rewatch all the previous three movies. I had long planned to rewatch them and to be honest couldn't remember all the details, especially from how the third movie ended. The first movie was a bit boring, because it follows the classic anime-series very closely and I have kind of ingrained these events into my memory. The second movie is a feast for the eyes and ears. I will always love that entrance fight of Asuka's where she fights that weird angel with the rotating parts. Animation that screams "look, everyone, this is what modern digital technology and hd resolution allows us to accomplish!". Then comes the third movie that I also like because of how it's finally an all new plot, but that many criticized at release. I think many people didn't understand that this is a typical transition movie, a bridge between the bigger events, similar to Star Wars: Episode 2. Rewatching it now felt totally fine, because I knew I'd be directly continuing with the final movie afterwards. Which I then did.
A little warning: I don't have any proper structure for this article in mind, so excuse me if this is gonna be lots of different aspects of the movie thrown into discussion without order.
One of the best parts of the movie was without doubt the village part. The movie spent, I'm estimating, a good 45 minutes on showing how Shinji, Asuka and the latest Rei-clone spent their everyday life amongst normal people doing normal stuff. Working, family, having fun. It reminded me of the original tv-series school scenes that made a nice contrast to the crazy stuff. Similar, following these normal people, meeting some old friends, and then witnessing the crazy surroundings of the village after the 3rd impact – that was such an intriguing setting. If I had to criticize anything about this movie, then it's that it left me wanting more "Evangelion Village". Of course, the village part came to an expected shocking ending, although not as bad as I feared (as an Evangelion-fan, you learn to always expect the worst turn of events, lol).
However, despite saying "one of the best parts", I must say that this movie's greatest strength is that it doesn't have any bad, any boring scenes. The pacing is outstanding. You get several breathtaking fight scenes of all calibers, then you have the more serene, pleastant scenes, and, most importantly, you get those lore explaining scenes that answer many of the longest standing question of this franchise. NOT without adding new confusion, though. In a good way.
I won't talk in-depth about the fight scenes, because those must simply be experienced by yourselves. Even if you don't care about Neon Genesis Evangelion, as long as you love good animation and sound design, these scenes will be pure bliss for you. The industrial design in combination with computer-based digital tools managed to create such otherworldly pictures that simply weren't possible in the past. Just when you think "how can they top THAT fight?!", the next one blows you away even further.
But this franchise wouldn't be all that if it was only for great looks. So much story! So much plot! And so many answers, done in a way that still leaves you wondering about the details. The mystery of Mari, who Kaworu was, or what Gendo truly had in mind. BIG SPOILER, SKIP TO NEXT PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW: I especially loved how the whole "everything is a cycle that keeps repeating"-theory turned out to be both true and no true. True in that, indeed, the events kept repeating. Not true in that Evangelion 3.0+1.0 is the story about breaking free from that cycle and delivers a true end.
And if that wasn't enough praise, it must be mentioned that pretty much all the characters go through some real growth. It really makes them feel more real, thinking about their situation, changing their goals, trying to continue with their life. Many will say that Shinji grew the most, but for me it was Misato who underwent the most interesting development, always struggling with her past, her losses, the people she cares about and her final goal. In a story where Shinji was the chosen one, Misato, to me, felt like the regular Joe who's choosing to oppose god-like entities, knowing that she's just a normal human being. She almost reminds me of Guts from BERSERK in that regard. I also want to say that enjoyed Kaworu's scenes. He always felt somewhat "fake", in a way that made me not feel much about him. This final movie actually gives him some long-needed humanity and I'll try to find out more about his exact circumstances that went a little over my head due to the exciting, fast-paced ending act of the movie.
Now bear with me, but me as a Monolith Soft-fan I also need to say this: Xenogears has often been named next to Neon Genesis Evangelion, both featuring similar thematics, a similar love for detail and religious motives. I wrote in great detail what I hope to see from Xenoblade Chronicles 3, and after having seen the final Evangelion-film, I feel a little bit like it spoiled a lot of the elements I expect to find there, too. The whole anti-universe part, wow. That's a lot like what I'd expect the "Upper Domain" to look be like in a Xeno-game. There's other similarities to my Xenoblade 3-predictions, but, yeah. It might turn out to be nothing, but not just as an Evangelion-fan, also as a Xeno-fan I truly enjoyed watching this insane movie.
And that is what I had on mind right now. I will absolutely rewatch this movie sooner rather than later, and probably more than once. So much too pay more attention to, so much to discuss, and so many scenes that I simply want to enjoy again. After thinking about it for a bit, I would criticize that ending is pretty much a "normie ending", as a weeb like myself would word it. It's a happy ending that pretty much tells the message: "hey, audience, your life isn't so bad. Spend less time with fantasies and unrealistic desires and go home be a family man!". This is the kind of ending that will work for the wider audience, but as a "hardcore weeb", I probably would have preferred a darker ending, or at least a somewhat ambiguous ending. But really, that's a weeb's nitpicking, because objectively speaking, the ending fits. And so does this entire final movie. Hideaki Anno managed to accomplish one of the hardest tasks of a story teller: Creating a satisfying ending to a long-running story. And boy, he nailed that.
A good review Facts. I especially like the part about the satisfying ending. So many franchises need that these days, and they just don't do it.
I enjoyed reading that. I'm not a man with lots of words but it is what I think about the movie also.
The acting is very intense. My favorite thing is that the good guy cop really isn't a good guy and just wants revenge. It's just a very different take on the cop catch bad guy genre.
Edit this is not a spoiler it's set up from the very beginning and I edited out what some might call spoiler even though it's in the trailer.
Stifler's Mom
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nope the remakes seem to tell the same exact same story but a little bit differently and more fleshed out.
xenogears > evangelion
number 1 reason: The religious themes actually meant something and the story isn't half baked despite the development issues of the second disk.
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Dacon
CROM
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Everything past 2.0 is straight trash and the "conclusion" to the film series is so stupid and unsatisfying it actively discourages me from watching the rest of the series ever again.
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The story is summarized as "kid gets in robot and fights aliens named after angels from the bible." That one scene when they played the hallelujah song I hurt my sides laughing at it. By that point the show had gotten so damn stupid I am surprised it was even being aired at that point and more importantly I wondered why I was still watching it.
I could deal with shinji being a weak protagonist but that was really the tip of the iceberg since all the characters are annoying in some way especially asuka. The only one that wasn't annoying was rei and that was because she doesn't have many lines. The ambiguity of the show is the most interesting thing about it. Its more interesting to discuss evangelion than it is to watch it.
Overall the best eva character was that penguin they could have just made the show about him instead and it would've been way better. Just make it like naruto but with penguins.
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It seems sort of similar to Dirty Harry from that description and the trailer. Going by the book and getting results are often two different things in regard to punishing criminals in that movie at least. I might spoil myself a little and see how the I Saw the Devil movie plays out. As long as the good cop doesn't go too crazy I think I will still like it.
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And your life is summarized as 'closet gay gets up in the morning to not shit the bed, goes to work to buy food, eats, then goes back to sleep hoping he won't shit the bed.'
Why even make such dumb reduced ad absurdum remarks? Just don't post if you have nothing to say.
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Dacon
CROM
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I think you actually have to be retarded and incapable of following a story to think the Evangelion movies tell the same story as the series, but this guys always railing against japan and anime.
The Evangelion movies aren't great, but outside of the first film that criticism is just plain stupid.
The Evangelion movies aren't great, but outside of the first film that criticism is just plain stupid.
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I mean, youre posting bad videos and just shit on NGE. Great argument, I guess ...?
Stifler's Mom
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Okay, so let's give this a fair discussion.
Just tell me what's good about Evangelion except the design?
Mind, I have just watched the old series, but it felt boring most of the times, overly emotional about stuff that didn't connect with me, obtuse, and in the end it's plain weirdo crap that only makes any sense if you watch youtube videos where that shit gets explained.
I realize, I am not known as the biggest anime fan here... lol. But I watched Cowboy Bebop, Dragonball (the first series), Ranma 1/2, Space Dandy, Ghost in the Shell, One Punch Man, and a very few others, and quite liked them.
But I honestly don't see the appeal of Evangelion outside of the design.
Enlighten me (pun intended)!
Just tell me what's good about Evangelion except the design?
Mind, I have just watched the old series, but it felt boring most of the times, overly emotional about stuff that didn't connect with me, obtuse, and in the end it's plain weirdo crap that only makes any sense if you watch youtube videos where that shit gets explained.
I realize, I am not known as the biggest anime fan here... lol. But I watched Cowboy Bebop, Dragonball (the first series), Ranma 1/2, Space Dandy, Ghost in the Shell, One Punch Man, and a very few others, and quite liked them.
But I honestly don't see the appeal of Evangelion outside of the design.
Enlighten me (pun intended)!
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So you're into boom boom-flashy action stuff and that's okay. You don't enjoy stories that require thinking and empathizing. That's okay, too.
I won't tell you what's good about NGE, the series has long since attained masterpiece status similar to the Lord of the Ring-books or the first Matrix-movie. Goo read/watch any of the stuff that's out there.
Stifler's Mom
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It can be quite extreme at times iirc. Have not seen in years though.
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Stifler's Mom
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Wie wärs wenn du Trottel einfach erklärst was du dran gut findest anstatt polemisieren zu müssen wie ein beleidigtes Kleinkind?
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Kann doch nicht dein Ernst sein, das zu fordern, wenn du genau weißt, dass die Serie absolut renommiert ist, weltweit. Als ob von meiner Erklärung abhinge, ob sie wirklich gut ist oder nicht.
Stifler's Mom
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Ich würde halt gerne im Sinne der Diskussion und ohne jede böse Intention wissen warum DU die Serie magst. Ich sag ja nur warum sie MIR nicht gefällt. Ich will es ja nur verstehen.
Dass sie DIR gefällt lasse ich dir ja natürlich. Warum auch nicht. Ein jeder Jeck ist anders.
