Thread: DPAD Top 20 Movies Face/Off #1: Terminator 2 vs The Fifth Element

Which of these movies is your favourite?


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Welcome to the DPAD Top Movies Face/Off Competition! 😎

This is the first vote of the Top 20, we are only a few weeks from the end of this series now.

The two movies facing off in this thread are:

Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991)
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The Fifth Element (1997)
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Why are you so triggered by a 12 yo acting like a 12 yo?

Idk if triggered is the right word. I just think T2 is meh and cringe for the most part. There are a couple fun action scenes but not enough make up for all the poor writing and dialogue. It's is however a fantastic production. SFX don't hold up but most of the filming does.

I can openly admit, in the early 90s (and through the turn of century) I thought T2 was a good movie. But I just can't see it anymore. It's now just meh. Now I see all the attempts to force catchphrases. Making Arnie the father figure he never had (and then melts him down… so no change there) If it were on TV I mostly would change the channel unless it's one of the good action scenes.

FE has its own worts for sure and is a pacing train wreck that will leave most initial viewers confused on many aspects of the plot. But damn is it a creative story that is littered with subtle social commentary and witty dialogue. And it's visually appealing to me due to its liberal use of bright colors.
 
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They are both great movies but I think that I prefer The Fifth Element. It has a good original story, some good comedy and I think it is a much more rewatchable movie. Terminator 2 is a fantastic movie with a great soundtrack, but I think that Terminator 1 is a tighter version between them, and I don't like how they tease the Judgement Day event without actually getting there at the end of the film.
 
They are both great movies but I think that I prefer The Fifth Element. It has a good original story, some good comedy and I think it is a much more rewatchable movie. Terminator 2 is a fantastic movie with a great soundtrack, but I think that Terminator 1 is a tighter version between them, and I don't like how they tease the Judgement Day event without actually getting there at the end of the film.

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Idk if triggered is the right word. I just think T2 is meh and cringe for the most part. There are a couple fun action scenes but not enough make up for all the poor writing and dialogue. It's is however a fantastic production. SFX don't hold up but most of the filming does.

I can openly admit, in the early 90s (and through the turn of century) I thought T2 was a good movie. But I just can't see it anymore. It's now just meh. Now I see all the attempts to force catchphrases. Making Arnie the father figure he never had (and then melts him down… so no change there) If it were on TV I mostly would change the channel unless it's one of the good action scenes.

FE has its own worts for sure and is a pacing train wreck that will leave most initial viewers confused on many aspects of the plot. But damn is it a creative story that is littered with subtle social commentary and witty dialogue. And it's visually appealing to me due to its liberal use of bright colors.

Sounds like you watched it too much, know it by heart and no longer feel engaged. I have sort of the same with Aliens. I get more kick listening to soundtrack because it brings back memories.

I did rewatch T2 for the first time in 10-15 years recently and witnessed again how perfect it is. Cameron is Hollywood's most underappreciated screenwriter. T2 has the perfect 3 act structure where story is entirely character driven. There's an encounter with T-1000 in each act and last two are completely avoidable. Characters could chill somewhere out of danger, but John's guilt over not believing his mother motivates him to go save her putting him in danger with T-1000, and third acts plot twist is Sarah going after Cyberdyne. In a poorly written movie it would seem like characters act stupid, just to engage in more action scenes, but not in T2. So you can dislike 90s time capsule catchphrases but characters are completely believable, it's a sign of good writing.

Also, just in general the sense of purpose of each action scene and slow escalation of it is what makes Cameron movies work. You forget you're watching a movie. Perfectly paced and executed film.

Don't know which SFX you consider dated. There's only about 30 seconds of CGI and they even used prosthetics for some liquid form T-1000 scenes. Unless you zoom in to check stuntdouble faces there's nothing dated about it.
 
Sounds like you watched it too much, know it by heart and no longer feel engaged. I have sort of the same with Aliens. I get more kick listening to soundtrack because it brings back memories.

I did rewatch T2 for the first time in 10-15 years recently and witnessed again how perfect it is. Cameron is Hollywood's most underappreciated screenwriter. T2 has the perfect 3 act structure where story is entirely character driven. There's an encounter with T-1000 in each act and last two are completely avoidable. Characters could chill somewhere out of danger, but John's guilt over not believing his mother motivates him to go save her putting him in danger with T-1000, and third acts plot twist is Sarah going after Cyberdyne. In a poorly written movie it would seem like characters act stupid, just to engage in more action scenes, but not in T2. So you can dislike 90s time capsule catchphrases but characters are completely believable, it's a sign of good writing.

Also, just in general the sense of purpose of each action scene and slow escalation of it is what makes Cameron movies work. You forget you're watching a movie. Perfectly paced and executed film.

Don't know which SFX you consider dated. There's only about 30 seconds of CGI and they even used prosthetics for some liquid form T-1000 scenes. Unless you zoom in to check stuntdouble faces there's nothing dated about it.

ALL the CGI still works, it's amazing, partially because liquid metal just doesn't exist, the first extensive use of CGI in film is still the best because Cameron understood not to try and recreate reality with it.
 
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ALL the CGI still works, it's amazing, partially because liquid metal just doesn't exist, the first extensive use of CGI in film is still the best because Cameron understood not to try and recreate reality with it.

Ummmm, yes it does. Thats how castings work. And there is the elephant in the room called Mercury.



But More importantly, I still think FE can win this one. Its just little behind, its still good.

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Ummmm, yes it does. Thats how castings work. And there is the elephant in the room called Mercury.



But More importantly, I still think FE can win this one. Its just little behind, its still good.

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you're being pedantic you're not going to see what the t1000 was doing in real life