Thread: DPAD Top 10 Movies Face/Off #5: The Matrix vs Alien

Which of these two movies is your favourite?


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Welcome to the DPAD Top Movies Face/Off Competition! 😁

The vote between Terminator 2: Judgement Day and Predator is still ongoing HERE ,
and the vote between Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back and The Terminator is still ongoing HERE .

This will be the last vote of the Top 10 Movies, with next week having the Top 5 fighting it out and then the Top 2 in the final vote later in the week.

The two movies facing off in this thread are:

The Matrix (1999)
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Alien (1979)
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The Matrix and Alien are interesting in that the later works of the creators indicate that both movies succeeded in spite of the people behind them, rather than because of them.

The Watchowski's are obviously a hot mess of insanity and plagiarism, and the latest Matrix exposes their complete lack of ability to create as well as deconstruct.

The first Matrix does a fantastic job of predicting many of the technological horrors of the internet age and the fragmenting of personal bonds and grounded, culturally inherited identities. However this is definitely not what the Brother Sisters intended. They have been adamant ever since that the film is a trans/queer allegory and that the matrix itself is traditional society, that the new identities of Neo, Trinity, Morpheus et al are their true natures and not, as au would argue is a far better comparison, facsimiles crafted by the lost children of the end of civilisation, cut off in time and lacking guidance and wisdom for how to be in the face of a world writ large in the homogenous blandments of modernity and globalisation.

The Matrix is a great film for the wrong reasons. It's fart huffing middle class elitists could see the problems we all suffer under, could predict where this was going to go as the decades rolled by even, but the reason the Red Pill and so many other aspects of the film ended up being taken up by most of the people they hate and see as evil and villainous is because they're as trap within the 'matrix' as the agents they added as villains. They hate the world but fail to see that they're the reason to hate it.

Alien meanwhile only really had Ridley Scott at the helm not getting why the film worked. Geiger and Obannon both understood what they were making, and thankfully this results in a far more coherent and understandable movie overall. The psychosexual themes and soul crushing corporatism are both perfectly implemented and play off one another in a far more convincing and relatable manner, thanks to the sterling efforts of the cast's portrayals of the 'Everyman' space truckers, and deliver a tour de force of a sci fi horror that set the benchmark for such movies and sub genre works going forward.

The two movies are actually surprisingly similar despite their superficial differences. Both trap their heroes in a situation they can barely comprehend, let alone escape, and the slow revelation of the reality of their situations, the casual manner those around them die, the looming inhuman corporate, artificial machine they live in, seeing them as disposable components and assets to be spent, the betrayals from within and final stepping up to overcome their tormentors, are almost beat for beat identical in messaging and purpose.

But Alien is better. Better acted, better conveyed as a message understood by at least 2/3 of the most import creators involved, led to at least 1 sequel that elevated its core concepts, and just generally more enjoyable.
 
Both movies are my favorite in their respective series, but my vote goes to The Matrix. I like the action, world-building, character interactions and special effects. Neo's transformation into The One, and particularly the performances by Hugo Weaving and Laurence Fishburne are among the movie's many highlights.

Alien is pretty good too of course, but I mostly enjoy it for its atmosphere and set design. I also haven't rewatched it as many times as I did The Matrix. But even so, The Matrix is simply a much cooler, more entertaining movie to me.
 
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Alien. I saw that shit way too young and it absolutely traumatised me at the time. However it's a pretty epic movie and albeit a lot went over my head at the time, as an adult I really appreciate the much more grounded and mundane nature of the crew of what were the original 'Space Truckers' now, in contrast to the more clean cut nature of a lot of the Sci-Fi films that came before it. With both Alien and Blade Runner, Ridley Scott indelibly changed the face of the Sci-Fi Film genre. It is a bone fide classic.
 
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I'll be voting for The Matrix in this matchup. While Alien is a great movie, The Matrix has a great mix of 90s science fiction and philosophical themes that don't get too disconnected from reality. Alien is a great horror movie but The Matrix is a far more fulfilling movie to watch. When I saw the Matrix shortly after it came out I didn't really understand it because I was too young, but as an adult I better understand the points it makes about trying to break free from malevolent control, which is especially relevant to the 21st Century so far.
 
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The Matrix and Alien are interesting in that the later works of the creators indicate that both movies succeeded in spite of the people behind them, rather than because of them.

The Watchowski's are obviously a hot mess of insanity and plagiarism, and the latest Matrix exposes their complete lack of ability to create as well as deconstruct.

The first Matrix does a fantastic job of predicting many of the technological horrors of the internet age and the fragmenting of personal bonds and grounded, culturally inherited identities. However this is definitely not what the Brother Sisters intended. They have been adamant ever since that the film is a trans/queer allegory and that the matrix itself is traditional society, that the new identities of Neo, Trinity, Morpheus et al are their true natures and not, as au would argue is a far better comparison, facsimiles crafted by the lost children of the end of civilisation, cut off in time and lacking guidance and wisdom for how to be in the face of a world writ large in the homogenous blandments of modernity and globalisation.

The Matrix is a great film for the wrong reasons. It's fart huffing middle class elitists could see the problems we all suffer under, could predict where this was going to go as the decades rolled by even, but the reason the Red Pill and so many other aspects of the film ended up being taken up by most of the people they hate and see as evil and villainous is because they're as trap within the 'matrix' as the agents they added as villains. They hate the world but fail to see that they're the reason to hate it.

Alien meanwhile only really had Ridley Scott at the helm not getting why the film worked. Geiger and Obannon both understood what they were making, and thankfully this results in a far more coherent and understandable movie overall. The psychosexual themes and soul crushing corporatism are both perfectly implemented and play off one another in a far more convincing and relatable manner, thanks to the sterling efforts of the cast's portrayals of the 'Everyman' space truckers, and deliver a tour de force of a sci fi horror that set the benchmark for such movies and sub genre works going forward.

The two movies are actually surprisingly similar despite their superficial differences. Both trap their heroes in a situation they can barely comprehend, let alone escape, and the slow revelation of the reality of their situations, the casual manner those around them die, the looming inhuman corporate, artificial machine they live in, seeing them as disposable components and assets to be spent, the betrayals from within and final stepping up to overcome their tormentors, are almost beat for beat identical in messaging and purpose.

But Alien is better. Better acted, better conveyed as a message understood by at least 2/3 of the most import creators involved, led to at least 1 sequel that elevated its core concepts, and just generally more enjoyable.

Did Matrix rip-off Dark City? I saw Matrix first and I did like Dark City. But I didn't even think about the connections. Until much later!

 
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Surprised by Alien, I liked both but I enjoy rewatching Matrix. My enjoyment of rewatching movies are how I vote. These polls are very subjective anyways. So can't be too mad at my votes losing! 😂

I also vote based on how rewatchable I find a movie to be. I find Aliens to be a lot more rewatchable compared to Alien, the whole stomach surprise is only surprising once but gunning down aliens is always fun.
 
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