Thread: DPAD Top 10 Movies Face/Off #3: Terminator 2: Judgement Day vs Predator

Which of these two movies is your favourite?


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Welcome to the DPAD Top Movies Face/Off Competition! :cool:

The vote between Jurassic Park and The Godfather is still ongoing HERE ,
and the vote between Back to the Future and Star Wars (A New Hope) is still ongoing HERE .

The two movies facing off in this thread are:

Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991)
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Predator (1987)
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T2.

Predator is amazing, but T2 set a new benchmark for action movies and realised the original movies core concepts in a way that both enhanced and subverted the original in meaningful ways, all with a phenomenal cast that managed a range and delivery of performance in one movie that some actors and actresses fail to achieve in their whole careers.

Arnie in particular deserves massive praise for his depiction of the slowly learning and ever more human T800, beginning the movie right where he left of in The Terminator as the same methodical and emotionless killing machine, the slow changes in behaviour as the story progresses, clearly adopting mannerism based on Ed Furlong's interpretation of young John Connor, then eventually becoming his own unique personality, is quite honestly an amazing acting turn given that there is a clear progression of these traits through the film, despite the complexity of the shooting order compared to the final edit, that marks what is arguably the high point in his acting career.

The same too can be said of Linda Hamilton, who's Sarah Conner is so often compared to Sigourney Weavers Ripley for good reason, who takes the character to the ultimate conclusion of the first film, becoming as much the emotionless killer as the machines she is a victim of, only to be saved by the maternal bond she shares with and core of humanity exuded by John Conner, in a mirror of the T800.

Plus it's just a brilliant movie full stop. A great dark Sci Fi horror in its own right, with a clear and meaningful message and bleeding edge special effects pared perfectly with the height of practical ones. It is as close to perfect as any film can be expected to be.
 
Expect to lose, but I frikken love Predator. Do like T2, but the mawkish moments get in the way of the cool bits for me, where as Predator is lean and fat free in that respect.

Predators greatest strength is stripping away every unnecessary 80's action movie trope as the movie goes on, until it's a near dialogueless man vs nature story that would be understood by cavemen.

Terminator 2 meanwhile layers on questions and gives answers to the power of humanity and nature over technology, explores what it means to be a man, a leader, a child and a mother in the face of uncaring and fundamentally destructive progress for progress sake, as embodied by Skynet and the formless, shapeshifting T1000 that is everything and nothing at the same time, and like Predator, asks what humans are and why we we will battle to overcome regardless of how dark the night before us is, and what unknowable, seemingly unstoppable horrors lie within it.

Both are phenomenal movies, but while Predator understands the same kind of core concepts as T2, it deliberately takes away any complexity in it's exploration or them, while T2 tries to tackle vastly more and wider ideas and actually manages to pull it off in a coherent and insightful manner.
 
The fact that t2 is in the tokp 50 is embarrassing. Culturally enriching films like Sheena (best 'wild ' animal scene of all time!!!) are so much more deserving than Chad targeting CHUD.

I wouldn't take it too seriously Arkam. I'm a huge fan of The Seven Samurai. I think it's one of the greatest films ever made and operates on a number of levels, however, I wouldn't have expected it to make the top 10 realistically.
 
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I wouldn't take it too seriously Arkam. I'm a huge fan of The Seven Samurai. I think it's one of the greatest films ever made and operates on a number of levels, however, I wouldn't have expected it to make the top 10 realistically.

It ranked pretty well though at 22nd, so it wasn't too far from the Top 10. :)
 
On the one hand I like how Predator is a more streamlined movie experience, but on the other hand Terminator 2 is such an iconic and well made movie.

I think that between the two of them, Terminator 2 is the better movie. Although there is a bit of idealism regarding the scientist changing so quickly, the use of the villain from the first movie as a new overpowered ally is a really cool concept.

Predator is fantastic too, but I think that it sticks more to the formula of classic horror movie and isn't as unique as Terminator 2.
 
Expect to lose, but I frikken love Predator. Do like T2, but the mawkish moments get in the way of the cool bits for me, where as Predator is lean and fat free in that respect.

Yep yep. I love T2 and actually would've voted for it over Predator back in the day, but parts of it haven't aged too well. While Predator, I feel, is just about a perfect action film.
 
Always loved this music in particular when the T-800 fires at police with the minigun.

 
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